Extreme vigilante justice
 

I first read throught this article and my thought was the "bastard got what he deserved". but then i thought a little more and decided that they should have simply restrained him and called the cops and left it up to the justice system. then i remembered that there is very little justice in the legal system - so i am hesitantly thinking that the guy got what he deserved.

If i found a guy outside my 5 year old's window jerking off, would i do any different? maybe. i don't think i would have beat him with a tree branch and then sodomized him with it. if i were enraged enough to go to that extent i think it would make more sense to bind and gag him, drive him 5 minutes to the open desert, put 2 rounds through his forehead then burn the body in an open grave. it could be done in less time and with less effort.

i honestly don't know. i feel the guy deserved it and i don't really have a problem with the street justice he received. the danger i see is that if this becomes acceptable, what would prevent me from killing the neighbor i don't like and then claiming he was a peeping tom?

any thoughts from the cooler minds lurking in the cellar?

Peeping tom in ICU

Well, this kind of thing is the first baby step on the road to the breakdown of civilization, apart from that, not much to say really. We have a justice system, it's purpose is to decide what is just.

no - it's purpose is to decide what is legal and prosecute violations. legal and just aren't the same thing.

No--I wouldn't have assaulted him. I would have made him very uncomfortable while restraining him and call the cops. I would show up for every court hearing and I would make sure that the other men in jail with him knew what he was in for. Raping somebody with a tree branch is no joke. He may very well die and then those people will be up for murder.

I can understand that those people were pissed, and I could maybe understand if they slugged him a couple times. The whole tree branch thing is just twisted though--I don't think anybody could justify that.

i'll agree with the tree branch sodomization job, but part of me still doesn't have a problem with clubbing him.

i've got personal experience (i didn't do it, relax) with someone who did take a guy out to the desert, pop him and bury him. i know it sounds brutal, but the guy in the situation got home from work and heard screams, only to find his wife being beaten and raped just outside the garage door. i can't say i look at the guy negatively for doing what he did.

Well-live by the sword...sometimes you just reap what you sow. Did the guy who killed the rapist get charged?

he would have to have been caught. so no - there were no charges.

Did they report the rape? If not, how did the wife get medical treatment or counseling?

i don't honestly know how they dealt with that whole ball of wax jinx. but i'm sure they didn't want to draw attention by reporting a rape. she had a black eye, and a few cuts and bruises but no severe physical damage. psychologically? i just don't know. she is a grade school nurse and at this point in time seems to be pretty well adjusted.

me being a guy and all, i looked at it like this:

Problem: woman abuser
Solution: woman abuser quits breathing
Problem: gone

thanks, now i'm going to be awake all night thinking about this.

I'd have setup a log on top of a hill, tied his hands behind his back, nailed his testicles to the log, and kicked it down the hill. After that, I'd do something mean to him.

Here is the link to the Smoking Gun. you will see the mug shots of the people involved along with the police report.

The Smoking Gun

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That was my first thought too though; "Good, he deserved it." But honestly, I wouldn't want to be in the position they are now. I would feel guilty and I would worry about getting caught.

I'm of the desert, shallow hole, bullet in the head camp.

Cheaper, safer, no chance of recidivism.

yeah - if you are going to do it - make sure they are dead so they can't testify. juries have greater sympathy with a living "victim" than they do with a corpse.

jinx - as far as the person i know - this has been a few years and no one even heard a word on the news about a missing person. that was the only tense part, i guess - waiting to see if there would be a missing persons report.

A couple of observations for this dude:

1) Don't do the crime if you can't take the pine.

2) Don't take a dick to a fistfight.

Seriously, the guy's a perv, but he didn't deserve this beat down, let alone the rest. From what I've read the child was not injured or even aware of what was going on. So the guy's crimes basically amount to voyuerism and public lewdness. A year or two in jail, then registered sex offender for life. I have to think it would probably screw up the kid's head even more to see someone get practically beaten to death outside her window.

The assailants, on the other hand, are looking at very long jail terms. So the little girl is orphaned. Sad all around.

I know if it was my house I would probably feel a little more jaded about what happened to him. But I wouldn't have tried to kill the guy. I would get the drop on him until the cops showed up, though.

The problem is the pedophile angle.

Research would lead me to solve the problem today instead of waiting for someone, someone innocent, to get hurt.

.........and two in the head. :eyebrow:
just make sure he isn't just taking a piss.

I read about this yesterday and wasn't going to bring it up here, but since someone else has I'll give my $.02.
If this had happened to one of my kids, and I or the husband had caught him, he would have definitely gotten his ass kicked and would have been held until the cops arrived. As (over)protective as we are of our kids, I just can't see this fitting into our response (or anyone else's, for that matter). I think if I were truly concerned for the welfare of my child, I'd not want any ass-rapes going on in the vicinity. I just can't imagine that coming to mind, unless that was something you'd been looking for an excuse to do anyway. As pissed as I've ever been, I've never wanted to insert anything in anyone's ass.

I hope they get very long prison sentences, and I hope the little girl gets taken care of properly.

The guy's condition is improving.

I actually had a hard time composing the above ... neither "perv" nor "victim" sat right, although he may be both, and certainly is the latter. "Alleged Perv."

One thing I found very annoying is that there is no information in the body of the story posted to yahoonews that indicates where the assault occured ... I had to go to the news station's website and really had to search around that to learn that the attack occured in a suburb of Cleveland, OH.

Ass-kicking thoroughly justified, object insertion over the top.

The chick in the big pic on Smoking Gun is kinda cute, in a dump-apartment/trailer trash kinda way. Too bad she's into doing terrible things with sticks.

I think I read she was a hooker or a stripper.

There are two things in this world that I don't believe can be justified, ever. Those two things are pedophilia and non-consensual sodomy (I can barely justify consensual sodomy in my mind, but I can hardly consider two consenting adults enjoying each other to be wrong).

That being said, I think vigilante justice is acceptable when the standing justice system fails, but not before that. These people let their emotions get the better of them and what they did was, while understandable to the utmost, completely the wrong way to go about things. Let him go to prison and spend the next hoever many years in solitary confinement or getting the shit beat out of him every day, multiple times per day. Leave the forced sodomy up to the convicts, folks...

Edit: Also, how do you explain to your child, "Well, it was wrong, so Mommy raped the bad man with a big stick"

Come on, you can come up with more than two, can't you?

I'd have to go with the bullets and shallow grave in the desert.


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We also don't know what he does when he's not peeping in the windows of 5-year-old children. Is he molesting? It makes me think of serial killers who had a history of window peeping that wasn't taken seriously by the police. They get away with it, and begin to escalate, until finally they begin to murder. I wonder if it works that way with pedophiles. Would he have tried to befriend the child later, if he hadn't been caught? Then what? Would he have tried to go further? I guess we'll never know...and from my point of view, that's a good thing.


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Yeah, but you still don't go raping people with big sticks (or little sticks, for that matter)--I mean, you might as well just shoot the person, you know?

Am I missing something but didn't the police report say the guy who got beaten was the ex-brother-in-law of the mother? So the attackers could quite likely have fabricated the whole story to look as if he was doing something lewd to justify their brutal actions? How do we know he was acting in a pedophilic manner? She looks like a rough little bitch with a vicious eye for revenge against the man who left her sister.

Oh boy...

From the police report:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...royalton2.html

“When I gave her the best physical description of the male she thought maybe it was the ex-brother-in-law of the tenant in #102”

Catwoman might be onto a good conspiracy theory.

Here's what ought to happen:

Option 1: Charge the tenants of #102 with assault with a deadly weapon. File obscenity charges against the assailed man. Fully prosecute both parties using the legal system and determine if the home is still safe for the child.

Option 2: Charge the tenants of #102 with falsifying a report with an officer, obstruction of justice, and assault with a deadly weapon. Fully prosecute the people in #102 using the legal system and determine if the home is still safe for the child.

Vigilantism is wrong. While we cannot condone the alleged actions of the assailed, laws should only be enforced by officers of the law and court. Society cannot allow for folks to take it upon themselves to exact vengeance whenever they see fit.

Sadly the courts initially gave custody of the child to one of the people allegedly involved in the assault. (This means that the court determined the mother was the best option for the child's well-being.) With this crime, the courts may just hand the child over to the father, who initially missed out as a first draft choice.

This poor child is smack in the middle of this madness.

2 to the head and a shallow grave , oh and dump in some red wigglers to help get things started ,

“What ifs” really complicate things. What if someone with a vendetta against you saw you walking down the street, beat you to death, dragged your body onto their property, and then reported to the police you were flashing their child through the window? What if you were told erroneously that someone had sexually leered at your child and you killed an innocent person?

I'd prefer level-headed folks determine the actual facts.

The only fact known is that four people violently assaulted an unarmed man. The charges of sexual deviancy were leveled by the four people charged with assault.

We get a grin because we'd all like to think that someone with evil intentions had finally met justice head-on. What if it was just a domestic dispute that went very wrong and then misreported nationally?

FACTS are, a person innocent until PROVED guilty recieved an horrendous illegal assault at the hands of a group of extremely aggressive people, of whom one demonstrated gross violent deviancy.