Upgrade done
 

Yeah, it's done!

At this point I'm sure everyone is panicking! I know *I* am, as I look for some of the customization I have left to do.

BUT look at all the new widgets and stuff we now have!

(And while changes are still going in and the templates are being updated... continue not to panic.)

Uh, whoa. Looking good UT. I like it. It *really* took me by surprise tho. I guess that's what I get for getting online as soon as I wake up. :D

Oh look IMG codes aren't working! Oh look, all our usual smilies are different! Good gawd I've got work to do here...

I shall not panic...I shall not panic...

Seriously, this is a slick new interface. I like the layout but will hold off any constructive criticism or in-depth reviews until you get it tweaked the way you want it and *I* have a chance to get used to the feel and look, as well as the new stuff.

Brian

Oooh, shiny ....
:beer:

I don't know. Looks complicated. I'll have to turn the light on to go pee, or I'll bark my shins for sure. ;)

Terrifying, absolutely terrifying! :worried: But I know I'll get used to it, and so, I suppose, will everyone else!

OK, I've worked how NOT to show everyone's AGE on their posts.

You may want to edit your Location, because that's stayin'... I hope people use it to show their actual location, and not just use it as another kind of User Title.

People have convinced me to leave in the post count and now that it appears on the right, maybe it will have a different impact.

Although I'm not sure how reliable it is, I like being able to see which forums people are looking at. This Quick Reply feature that I'm using now is also cool.

The quick reply thing is great, long with the rest, gave me a shock at first though.

I like the new interface. Being able to see the most recent thread in each forum is nice.

Unfortunately, more information means smaller fonts, so these old eyes are trying to adjust.

I'm still looking foward to the adventure.

BTW, is there a spell check?

:eek: That's a lot of smilies!

Of course, now that every post lists my location, even if it is in my user bio, I might have to rethink the whole 'use my real name' idea.

I could go back to using a handle.

How does 'Big Dick' sound? Or is that considered bragging. :king:

Overall, an improvement... Thanks for the effort, Tony. I look forward to seeing it with the rest of your customizations done.

It's you.

The smilies are mostly not from the upgrade, but from another smilie harvest that I did. And people won't overuse them, because they will forget the tags for them, and they don't get the smiley menu on the quick reply editor!

:eek:
:alien: :dead: :stop: :vader1: :headshake :us: :evil2: :Flush: :rasta: :twofinger :unsure: :male: :female:

Neat little function the replies showing up in the thread notification... Can anybody see the smilies?

never mind must be a loading problem on my end...weird

no it was the return of the access thingy that was giving you trouble before. I fixed it again :thumb:

OK, well, this is actually kind of cool (takes several deep breaths to calm herself). Yeah, I might just survive this transition after all. We seem to have new smilies though. Now back when the cellar was the cellar, we didn't have so many colored emoticons... ;)

The smilies are racially diverse!

Thank you sir! Next deal, how do we change a lame tagline?

Top of page ->Quick Links -> Edit Profile

hmmm... I've been there, no option?

Not "options", you want "profile". Location is near the bottom of the profile page.

You could also hit "User CP" which still stands for "Control Panel". From there you get to a whole slew of things on the left, but "Edit Profile" gets it done.

Also, "Edit Profile Picture" gives you the chance to upload a 100x100 jpg of yourself. Why not. I did.

Eh...where is the Edit Profile Picture option, UT?

Top of page -> User CP -> Edit Profile Picture

Perhaps I'm just missing it, but I don't seem to have that option.

http://sycamoreland.com/images/cellarscrshot.jpg

I noticed I have 35 meg in attachments. Time to make a donation. :blush:

Yikes, still figuring some of this stuff out... try it now.

It works...cool beans!

Also, your profile pic can be up to 500x500, why not.

Holy shit, what happened here?

I leave for a 5-hour roadtrip, and it's like the whole world was turned upside-down.

nice.

i hope i dont get blisters from breaking this in, though.

i like the greenlight online thingy. i like the post id being linked so its easy to point to a specific post.

the vb site showed mouseover efffects (first few words of a post pop up when you mouse over a thread title.) ?

my buddy list doesnt show by default in the control panel, and its a seperate window when it open. dont really like that, but with the green lights.....i'll manage, i think.

this quick reply bit will make it easier for me to post more, which i'm sure everyone agrees can be nothing but positive. there's absolutely no way that could go wrong, right? i see that my post count has returned.

i dont really like the boxed look of the quotes that much. can you make it like the old way, with the little embossed lines?
<strike>and this</strike>

cant change my title?

Aack. It's great... it really is!

...but...


It's an identical theme to another vBulletin forum I use regularly (skyscrapercity.com). I swear, when I first logged on, I thought I'd clicked the wrong bookmark. It took me a second or two to realize that yes, I was actually at the Cellar, not SSCity.

So.

What I'm getting at, is... what are the chances that you can enable a couple of themes for us to choose from? I know it's possible, because (yet another) vBulletin forum I frequent has them enabled. It's not essential (and certainly it's not that I don't appreciate the changes and hard work put into them) but It would just be nice to have some way of instantly visually differentiating the different sites, so that with just a quick glance I can see which site I'm on.

It would be really awesome!

I'd like to second the 'themes, please'. This one feels very busy; there are lots of shades of blue, and they're drawing my eyes to fairly meaningless things, like the date instead of the person's name. I think the layout would be fine if the titlebars weren't dark, solid, and blue.

Nope, even without a hangover. :greenface

OK so it looks like I have a bit more work to do. Yeah, I think different themes are a good thing and I'll work to make those available!

I have a feeling it was a lot more work and definitely more stress, than most of us can appreciate. Thanks, UT. :joylove:

The new upgrade looks very nice!
Good luck with it.

same sentiment, without the sexual tension.

Gee, maybe you should get up before the crack of noon :)




TESTING: In linear display mode, I used the "quick reply" button in Perth's post to reply.

i id the same to yours. why no quote in yours?

Let's be fair. It was 9:00 here. I mean, that's still appallingly late to sleep in, but in my defense, I stayed up far too late reading. :D

FAB, all newness and shiny as anything but my cat is demanding food so a good snoop around will have to wait for later. Catz rule here!

Is everyone using the quick reply? I'm using the post reply and don't get the red triangle to report bad posts in the upper right corner. :confused:

There might be some confusion provided by an advanced feature of the new board:

To illustrate, I replied to a post within this topic by using the "quick reply" button in Perth's post. The new feature I'm referring to allows one to reply not only to the topic itself but to any post within the topic (subThreading).

The problem becomes apparent when viewing the thread in different display modes. In hybrid or threaded mode, my test post shows up directly under Perth's post. I deliberatly wrote my post to only make sense if it was read immediatly after Perth's post to illustrate the problem.

Someone reading in linear display mode (the old Cellar was linear - all posts were sorted in chronological order) won't see my post immediately after Perth's post but not until much later (many intervening posts) and will not understand my post. Similarly, if someone reading Perth's post intends to reply to the topic itself (the only choice one had on the old Cellar), then someone reading in threaded display mode will see the post as a reply to Perth when it may integrate/address points made in posts that do not appear until much later in the view.

The quick reply button inside of each post creates a reply to that post (a subThread) instead of to the topic itself and I'm not sure everyone knows that. This new software makes it possible to create sophisticated subThreading within topics but after reading this topic in both modes, its obvious that some reply-to posts weren't replies to the post they are subThreaded under and some that are genuine subThread posts, when viewed in linear display mode are hard to understand since they are separated from their parent post by all the chronologically intervening replies.

In short, neither display mode solves the problem and that, imo, is the problem. One solution is to disable subThreading making it just like the old Cellar where all posts are always sorted chronologically. Another solution is to remove the quick reply button leaving only the quote button (also creates a subThread) to insure that a "reply-to" post always shows a quote of the message it is replying to. If nothing else, this would make everyone understand that they are creating a subthread and not making another general "stand-alone" post in the topic - retaining the text of the post being replied to would also solve the problem of not understanding the context of a subThread post while reading the topic in linear view.

Subthreading is a cool feature but only when posts land where they are supposed to and read in the correct order.

If you view the topic in threaded mode, and use the quick reply box at the bottom instead of the quote button within a post, you get a non-quoted reply. There are too many ways to reply to posts, imho, and they all behave very differently and create vastly different impressions (some create unintended subthreads, for example). A subthread post that doesn't quote the parent can be misinterpreted since the post shows up in different places depending on the display mode. Read this topic in threaded mode and again in linear mode and you will see what I mean.

:dead: RIP old Cellar format...

this will take some getting used to, but i think in the long run we'll all get used to it and come to love it as much as the old Cellar. the quick reply is nice, i haven't been all over to check out all the bells and whistles yet tho. dunno how much trouble this was for you UT, but keep up the good work!!

I made that decision - the software does let you deny "quick reply" to people unless they hit one of the quick-reply buttons.

If you don't hit the buttonk, it doesn't know how to thread your reply, which does break threaded mode, badly. But I felt like nobody would really USE threaded mode, and I felt it was a terrible user interface problem to give people the quick reply box without telling them they had to hit a button to use it. (An UNLABELED button at that!)

vB3 is full of user interface improvements but that one is a tiny step back. What do you think - will people use threaded mode? Is it useful?

Threaded mode is great but, again, only when its used properly. The Cellar worked beautifully in linear mode and it may be that it should retain that restriction.

Just here, if I didn't know why you posted what you did, since your reply is not threaded under my initial post on the matter, it would be difficult to understand. And misunderstanding is a big enough problem without posts being out of their intended order. All sorts of unintended interpretations could result from the unexpected placement of a post.

I think linear always works because you can always quote the post you are replying to. Threaded mode is too easy to mess up by threading a reply that isn't supposed to be threaded and by not quoting a reply you mean to thread to but didn't. But this is a fairly big issue - I'm not trying to advocate as much as bring the issue to light. Personally, I like threading but, if I have a vote, I'd vote against it since its very difficult to manage properly (make sure that all posts end up exactly where they were meant to end up).

I find myself using the quick reply more often than not, and didn't even realize there was a linear/hybrid/thread mode option.

Beestie's post DID succeed in confusing the shit out of me.

I'm using linear, like the Old Cellar. It defaulted to that when I got here. Am I missing posts?

I wasn't even thinking of the notion of forcing threading to be the default view; I think that goes against what the Cellar really is, allowing conversations to meander wherever they will. But I can imagine people wanting to see a threaded view, of, say, Dodads.

BUT, that said, if Bruce wanted a full-out discussion of every single dodad he would have started a new thread for each one. The thread stands on its own.

For massive communities where they discuss specific topics, it's a good idea...

This is fixed.

Linear works better when I'm not keeping up on a thread, which is getting harder to do these days. :)

many grassy ameobas sunyour

Yeah, I really like that feature and see that a lot of folks have already added a pic to their profile. Its nice to get a bit of a visual on who you are replying to, and I must say we are a good looking bunch. Beauty and brains and off the wall posts - the Cellar has it all!

Liar! Stop fibbing!

That's what happens when you get old...you can't keep up with the youngbloods. :)

Okay, we've been on the new version for a few days now...it's alright...the setup is like an invision board (which juju uses for hinterlands). It's just gonna take me some time to get used to.

ok. so where is it?

Top left, User CP, Edit Profile, second box