Should lumberjim be booted from Cellar?
 

He really shouldn't make such suggestions...I'm curious to see where this goes...

I dont care what the poll does. Whatever the result Jim shouldnt go he is one of the people that makes this place fun

I find that he's one of the people that brings Cellar down, but I have a lot of unpopular opinions, so...

interesting. does this mean i'm banned from YOUR kick ass "cyberbosque" board, too?

I find that he's one of the people that brings Cellar down, but I have a lot of unpopular opinions, so...

Soap operas like this are what brings the Cellar down. Is it just me or are the tiffs getting more frequent?

What a destrutive proposal! After all, we have all worked so hard to mold him into what we expect him to be. He is our Mona Liza - a trophy built and refined by the Cellar. Never throw out the good stuff.

If he goes I go.

What'd he do?

What'd he do?

Dagney won't say. Wants LJ to PM her and ask.

Irreverance belongs here...I vote Nay!

I don't have the ability to boot you off here, so why are you using the "too" part? You challenged someone to put a poll up, and here it is. I suspect that even if there were an overwhelming number of "Yes" votes, you would still not be banned. UT seems to have a high threshold for rule #3. I personally voted "Yes" out of spite, b/c I don't like you. But as a whole, you're tolerable, as is Radar. You're just another mouthbreather on the 'net...no big deal. Plus, I think it's important as a 1st Amendment supporter to support speech that you dislike.

And unless you violate the rules of the Bosque, you won't be banned from there.

Which we all know will never happen, because if he's not the center of attention, he doesn't want it.

I know what he did to piss me off, and if he thinks about it, so does he. He's just not got the cajones to own up to it.

Uh, oh...I think the love is gone.

Read a few of the links. Seems a big fuss over nothing, Jesus if noone stirred the shit around here we might as well all log off and fucking knit or something.

LJ in my opinion likes to "stir the shit", tease, be a smartass..whatever you want to call it all in good fun. A very small number here seem to "stir the shit" because..well I guess they're just assholes.

HUGE difference there. Maybe others don't see it the same way...dry, tasteless humour, teasing, sarcasm, etc. doesn't come across very well in text. Don't worry LJ, I "get you".

Hey! Whaddya know...the love is back. :)

I voted no because attrition is a natural process of The Cellar.

It's how it works.

LJ may be a primo shit-stirrer, however, he also has made some interesting things happen ... CMEP, teeshirts, etc.

It's not his fault that his personality has evolved like that because he hangs out with car salesmen ...

If there was any question as to Dagney's gender...

LJ asked for it - Syc is just obliging.

Should LJ get the boot? Good grief, NO.

Maybe, instead of things getting to this point, folks could consider using PM and email to do their laundry.

Well I was going to say no, but tw's almost changed my mind.

I really didn't ask for it.

i was challenging dagney's attack......sycamore starting it is not quite the same thing.......it was a bluff......i knew dagney would not actually start the poll.

syc, you don't like me? wow. i had no idea.

i thought we were kind of buddies. is it because i make you look bad all of the time? or just because I'm prettier?

so... i actually DID want to know why dag was mad at me, and i sent her the pm she asked for.

i turns out that it was all a big misunderstanding.....like on three's company:

I had sent a msg to brian asking him to remind dagney to send a cd that she was late with.....upon the request of someone else...( just trying to help)....that msg went out shortly before or after i mentioned on the board that i was going to contact brian to ask his assistance in contacting her......her reply came hours later asking me not too, as their relationship was touchy at the time. ( first I heard of it) so, i said,"too late, he already has orders to goose you". JUST KIDDING AROUND...i like dagney, i like brian....i was being cute, blah blah blah.



she still wants me to "fuck off and die", though. oh well.

I suspect that her point in asking you to handle things in PM was NOT to spread her business far and wide. If she had wanted to do so, she would have.

If she wanted it private, I imagine she would have kept it that way from the begining.

wolf, i have not said anything on here that she hasn't.

as i said, the request came too late. i had no malicious intent. REALLY.

i'm a little miffed at sycamore now, but i still harbor no ill will toward anyone here including dagney.

i'm really not all that important. dag seems to have a problem with me being an attention whore. i cant say i blame her.


at least i know it.....and im funny.....


peace, everyone, peace.

It's okay wolf - I'm okay with it - although I'd like to think that an adult wouldn't air dirty laundry just to make someone else look bad.

I do believe his direct quote was

"regardless, the cat is out of the bag now......but i dont think i'll fuck off and die. i think i'll make you look so bad that YOU fuck off. hMMM?"

Just says a whole lot for his maturity level.

I'm not sure if I should pity jinx, or make her a saint, for putting up with an asshat like him.

Nah, for the most part, he puts up with me . I get nasty pms too.

I'm just going to ignore the 'too'.

ok, dags, since the gloves are off, why didnt you include the WHOLE thing?

here it is:

remember these are in reverse order so start from the bottom and read up...

wow...see? you really should have done this in private to begin with. I had sent that message to brian hours before i knew that you two were having trouble. i could have clarified that easily with dates and times if you had mentioned it.

regardless, the cat is out of the bag now......but i dont think i'll fuck off and die. i think i'll make you look so bad that YOU fuck off. hMMM?

Jim, you:

a) don't know when to quit
b) refuse to quit, even though you know when to do so
c) are truly malicious
d) are some or all of the above

Now granted, maybe you're different, IRL. But I think you've shown enough of your true self here for me to say, "You know, that's not the kind of person I want to be buddies with."

[size=3] Time Out! Go to your rooms, both of you!:boxers:

why the fuck am I sitting here at work crying over something this trite?

OH yeah, just found out my mom is quite possibly dying because her chemo did not work, and I'm having to deal with this shit.

Thanksafuckinglot Jim.

dagney i am sorry to hear about your mother.

as i said in the thread brian started asking us to send you good vibes, i hope it all turns out for the best for you. please don;t transfer your angst to me, though. i really didnt ask for it.

sorry you are upset. i wish i could help you with that.

My sincere condolences.

But you probably shouldn't blame Jim for not knowing about Brian or your mother.

Just went through that with my wife's Mom Dag....it's hard, hope it works out ok...didn't in our case, but my wife took that family leave thing and spent every single last day with her...something to look into if you haven't considered it yet, she was SO glad she did.

well, that's a shame. you can only take a joke when you;re not involved, it would seem.

YOU

BIG

BABY

I can take a joke just fine, thanks. There's plenty of evidence here to support that.

And hey, if calling me a big baby makes you feel better, have at it.

yeah, like when dave joked about you being unemployed and you told HIM you weren't his friend anymore? I see.

yeah, you're cool. not.

Getting yourself ready for the Oscars, eh?

That's true, but didn't Brian say that Dagney need some vibes a couple of weeks ago? Never mind that we didn't know what for, but asking people for vibes is usually not about anything good.

Ah well.

i love your choice of words there!!!!
"shitstirrer"
maybe we could implant that next to his screen name?? UT?

I really should not disturb this site;

My heart and most deep condolences go to Dagney, Hope things turn for the better.

No, and nobody else either.
Listen up folks, I’m only going through this one time. This is the fucking internet! It is escapism, as much as TV, or movies, or books, or a hobby. It is not reality, it is not your real life, this is “Cheers”. Stop in for a drink and laugh at the locals, or lurk at a side table. If someone is willing, you can discuss something trivial or serious. You can ask advice, bitch about life, rave about the Yankees or decry the decline of western civilization. Stop in for a quickie or tie one on till last call. Remember to tip your bartender.
You’re here to be entertained or in some cases to entertain, so there’s no need to be hostile. You get plenty of that in the real world that’s waiting outside the Cellar. If you stop in, and find your not in the mood, go home. That way you’ll always be welcome back.:violin:

OK, I've said my piece. If you don't agree, fuck ya, ya moron.:haha: :haha:

HOLY CRAP....that's what I was trying to say.

You're so fucking eloquent Bruce.

See, this vibe, bitchy, we need to get along crap really torques me the wrong way.

Shut up, fuck off, go away...doesn't seem to work with the twits...they just keep hangin on, so I think UT needs to put xoxoBruce and Slang in charge of cybersecurity.

I'll be backup...in the corner with Wolf....one of us will be subduing the other, but available if needed.

They ARE in charge, they just don't know it yet

Apparently, nobody learned with the dave nonsense how much this shit sucks.

Seriously. Hardly any time has passed since the last bit of needless melodrama: I see the same cage of baboons. Normally they just play frisbee with their feces, but today they're waging cagal thermoshitular war. Shit is graffitied on the wall, crude drawings in excrement. Stool for breakfast, lunch, and dinner: forced on young and innocent passersby, or sold for a buck fifty at the Café de Merde.

In the end, you'll have done amazing things with ordure, but it's still a lot of crap. You smell funny, and after you shower you're back where you started. At best, one or two of the people with weak noses have been chased off, but what sort of progress is that?


Ahem.

(I guess I took too long typing, but I'm too proud of my scheisse to throw it away now.)

:thumb:

Love ya, Bruce! I'd be stranded with you on a desert island any day!

An apology
 

Dag,

I said this when I was pissed. Sorry. I really won't do anything to purposefully make you look bad. That's not me. Seriously. I fuck around a lot, but that kind of thing is malicious, nonproductive, and unfunny.

To be clear, this is not a request for an apology on your part. Hate on. Nor is it an apology for the rest of my posts. I just want to assure you that I will not give you any more shit than I give anyone else. I plan to behave as if this day did not happen.

sycamore however, can kiss my ass...... I have a step stool if he can't reach, and a whole day off tomorrow.


edit: to point out the utter lack of smilies.

Re: An apology
 

Blah blah blah...you done yet, charlatan?

Hey, kids?

Kids?

http://www.netaxs.com/~vsp/muppetstfu1.jpg

Obviously there has been a misunderstanding, both parties need to accept that it was such and get over it.

Telling someone that you are going to make them look bad is admittedly nasty, but so is telling someone to fuck off and die!

Life is too short people!

Dagney I'm sorry to hear about your mum, and your relationship problems, All the best to you and your happiness.

LJ - You step on toes but that is something that makes you, you. DON"T CHANGE! I think your great!!

Geez...step away for a few hours and look what happens!

I'm staying OUT of this one.

Brian "mumbles something about flame-retardant underwear"

Re: Re: An apology
 

not really. Although i'm sure every one else is sick of this by now, I want to say a couple of things, and then i'll leave it alone if you like.

I can't see any benefit in trading insults with you. It's all kind of meaningless. So you don't like me. I can accept that. I think normally that might bother me more, but since the only wrongs I've done you were to trade insults and wise cracks, i can't really have any remorse over your dislike. I tried to be friendly to you from the start because I thought that you were funny and relatively cool. I endured your sarcastic barbs in good fun, and fired back in kind. I should have seen from your reactions to similar situations in the past that there is a time limit to that kind of thing with you. Don't know why I thought it would be any differerent for me.

Live and learn. It appears that the honeymoon is over. Although you don't like me, I don't see any reason for us to bicker as enemies would. Why don't we agree to be frenemies?




as for the rest of you:

to those of you that have voiced support and sent pm's of support, thank you. I think of you as my friends. i think this is all very stupid. I will be here as long as i enjoy it. as should everyone. polarization like this is senseless.

let's just talk shit, and make fun, and have a fine time. All of this contention is killing my buzz.

syc, dagney, go ahead and hate me. thanks for being honest about it at least.

There you go again...playing the "wounded hero"...throwing in a few barbs for good measure. Then you top it off by wanting to call a truce and encouraging me to hate you. This is what I'm talking about...you don't know when to quit.

I have no intention of changing my current routine. It's worked pretty well for me, and no one has bitched about it, so...like Will Rogers said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

i wasn't encouraging you to hate me. i was saying that there's nothing i can do about it, so go ahead. and i am not trying to play wounded hero, either. I am simply saying that your dislike is founded in your own reasons. I treated you as a friend. yeah, we took shots back and forth, but i never intended any serious personal insult. You say your routine has worked well so far, and it aint broke. Let me remind you of your history that I was here for.

When I came on, you were buddies with dave and tony. you did things together IRL a time or two, even. You had the manifestos going strong, and the peolpe here enjoyed them.

then you and dave had your spat, and you turned a cold shoulder to him. he left. -1 friend

then i reminded people of dave, UT got bent then you got bent at UT and closed up the manifestos. -1 friend

Now, you butt into an argument that does not involve you, and post a poll to oust me. then you say "i voted "yes" out of spite because I don;t like you. -1 friend.

at this rate, your routine will have you fresh out of friends. You may want to consider taking a look at it objectively.

I know that you'll probably say that I caused both of those rifts, but I think we both know I was no more than a catalyst. Neither of those occurences were my intent.

I am glad that this thread came to be. It has opened my eyes in a couple of ways.

I have been staying out of this until now, but enough is enough, already.

1) For the record, I think LJ is just fine. His posts are amusing and often witty. He doesn't put people down the way some who post to this board do. If you have no sense of humor or you're not smart enough to pick up on a joke, just ignore LJ's posts. I, for one, enjoy reading them, if YOU don't, don't.

2) If you have a problem with somebody, and this goes for the real world as well as cyberspace, tell it to them; not the world. Making a private peeve public is a tactic we should all have left behind on the 3rd grade playground.

3) If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I got into a big fight with just about everyone on this board when I first starting posting here, in part because I was new and didn't know who I was posting to and in part because I was running a fever of 100 degrees and what little rationality I might ever command normally had deserted me. I got over it. So can anyone else.

4) The Cellar can either choose to be an old boys' club made up of the individuals who first started it, or it can be as it is now, a pretty open, free-wheeling, site that gets posts from all over the world; not just Philadelphia. The choice is yours. Frankly, I'm surprised that the powers that be didn't quash this thread for the spam that it is.

Cowgirl, that's because "The powers that be" are even cooler than you can imagine.:D

And Syc, I'm still your friend, but that's probably just for the great sex.:joylove:

And Jim still...doesn't...know...when...to quit...

I fully explained here why I had enough of Dave. The thread that contained that explanation has since been deleted. He left of his own choosing...quit trying to flog a dead horse.

UT and I have since made peace. And the Manifestos still exist--just not here.

As I see it, the argument involved everybody b/c it was out there for the world to see. You asked for that poll, and you got it. I don't care if you expected Dagney to do it or whatever...ask and ye shall receive. Like I said before, I didn't think you'd get the boot even if there were strong support for it.

I'm by no means a perfect person, and am more than willing to admit my mistakes. In hindsight, I should have made my thoughts and feelings more clear to people. For example, when I came to the conclusion that you were a rabblerouser, I should have said so. And when UT deleted my threads in the Manifestos, I should have said, "What the fuck are you doing to my Manifestos?" And when Dave started getting out of line, I should have said, "Yo, cool it." But I didn't...*shrugs* You live, you learn.

If I make friends while I'm posting here, that's great. If I don't, *shrugs*, I don't. It's really not a big deal. I don't come here for IotD, I don't come here for you...I just enjoy coming here and shooting the breeze.

If people think you're the bee's knees, great. I don't--I think you're a rabblerouser and troublemaker. (Not to mention, you've tried to pull Daves in your last 2 posts--no way I can respect you now.) I probably should have said that months ago, but I didn't. My bad.

Now, are you finally done with this shit? Jesus Christ...

hey vsp, i have one like that!

i have enjoyed reading all this! but agree that it is best left on the playground...

LJ, dude...it's looking good. So far 23 people think you're the bee's knees!

And only 4 dislike you...keeping in mind one is Dagney who you pissed off, and one being Sycamore...which is to be expected, don't think he even likes himself and who can blame him?

Wonder who the other 2 votes were from?

Must admit that deep down I was curious to see what would have happened had things gone badly. I don't want you to leave, but I bet Jimland woulda been way cool. :)

[quote]Originally posted by Sun_Sparkz
[b]
Telling someone that you are going to make them look bad is admittedly nasty, but so is telling someone to fuck off and die!

Life is too short people!

"Short people have...no reason, Short people have...no reason"
Randy Newman

If things had gone badly there would have been no change. It's the usual drama and I hope you kids feel better for having blown off some steam. Back to the boards!

Yeah, my nuts.