dagney is cheesed at LJ
 

over here.

started here...i think:

http://cellar.org/showthread.php?pos...302#post100302

ok....I read it again. that makes three times i STILL dont get why he is pissed at you.......That is to say....If he's pissed at you for that thread it seems an unreasonable response. It has to have it's roots elsewhere

wow.

what the hell?

I have NO idea what began this for you dagney.

if you just don;t like me because you think i'm arrogant, that's fine. There are plenty of people i dislike. I'm not going crazy on them though.

whats the dillio?

I think it actually started here.

She is? oh. Apologies to all my fellow feminists but maybe she has PMT.

huh.... i though t she was just being funny at that point.

>?????<

Dude- don't piss her off - she's got my CD!

:)

Follows link....ahhhhhh

Still seems a touch harsh. I still dont see what Jim did/said that was so awful

but maybe she has PMT.

...I can't figure it out, what's the T stand for? I've only heard of PMS and PMDD.

Tetchiness.

Tension
Usually in the UK its referred to as PMT rather than PMS. Tension rather than stress.

No, I do NOT have PMS, PMT, or PManything else.

Nice diagnosis for someone who has no clue who I am.

If [he who goes unnamed] wants to know why I'm pissed, he'll find the balls to ask privately - not air the laundry in a forum so he can get more attention.

And am enjoying it immensely - will be forwarding it this weekend.

I'm also dropping out of the CMEP - I can't tolerate the thought of dealing with it anymore.

No, it can be PMS Onyx...because whenever we're bitchy, it's generally because of a man.

Putting up with
Men's
Shit.

Looks like PMS to me.

But it's a pretty pitiful blanket diagnosis for a woman who's fed up with men.

so, you're fed up with men?

and i represent "man" to you? s that why you are aiming your guns at me?

whatever...i'm going to lunch.

Maybe it's because knowing that the others are female, it seems they should know better.

I was being flippant. Due mainly to being one of the many people reading this who didnt have the first clue as to why hostilities had opened up on this thread seemingly out of the blue.

As far as not airing dirty laundry goes, that ship sailed when you launched a major attack on LJ. The vast majority of people reading this didnt have a clue why you would attack in such a way and naturally this being the cellar we wanted to find out!

OC You are quite right hence my attaching an apology to my fellow feminists. I was being flippant but I was also genuinely bemused as to why someone would suddenly blow up like that. Often when I am due I am genuinely bad tempered/overemotional. I have really bad hormonal flux that leads (sometimes) to my mood becoming fraught and my ability at these times to pull an insult/slight from an innocent comment is legend amongst my freinds.

LOL true, but generally, I get cheesed off at women (Dana, Stacey) faster and more intensely than men (Dave, Radar).

Actually thats a fair point. I do the same. I find I lose my rag with you and Lady Sidhe much faster than I would lose my temper with RADAR or xoxoxoBruce

Perhaps its because we are used to "protecting" men's feelings/egos but with women they are potential "competition" for the male's affection or attention...even on a forum.....if thats the case then I am off right now to slit my wrists cause thats fucking depressing

How could you lose your temper with Bruce? With Radar there is just no point, he's got his fingers in his ears doing the la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you-thing going on.
Women are just bitchier I think. On a whole other level.

This might attract some more of the flame war, but I want to say that I somewhat agree with you, Dana. I think women get pissed at other women more quickly because of the competition thing. That's why some women (not just on the forum, but in general) like to say "I don't get along well with women, but I have all guy friends." It's safer to be friends with a guy, because there isn't that weird tension/competition thing.

Personally, I try to remain unbiased. I would like to think that I dish out the same level of respect to women as I do to men. Of course, being human, I think I fail in that I also get annoyed more quickly with women than with men (as a general rule). But, my level of respect is no more easily given for men than for women. In fact, I can name specific people that I have a much higher tolerance for (Onyx, Lady Sycamore) than others (Radar, Staceyv). It's simply that I have a higher level of respect for the former, even though I may not always agree with them.

*nods* Respect is something different again I think.

For me I think I learned early that others of my sex could be dangerous to me. From a purely psychological perspective it usually wasnt the lads that made me cry at school :P As a kid i looked different , my looks were marred by a disfiguring skin condition and Girls frankly made my life a miserable existence. Lads were also cruel but they got bored with cruelty much more quickly whereas the girls would keep it up for months at a time.

I saw a tv programme recently where celebrities were made up to look like they had a disfigurement. One of them (caprice) was given a portwine stain ( birthmark) across half of her face. She then went ( in disguie) to give a talk to a classroom of 14 and 15 yr olds. .......Should have seen the overt expressions of disgust on many of the girls. I remember that look well. I recall going to school after a year of absence ( ill health) ..The term was already 4 weeks in and the school was oversubscribed so there were not enough desks. Instead I had, each day to "find somewhere to sit" Girls were generally the ones saying things like " fuck off dont sit here y'dirty bitch" and recoiling in exxagerated horror if my hand accidentaly grazed theirs....For fear of catching it so they said.

sorry....that went on a bit....I dont often think about those days. I guess these things inform much of our adult relating though. As an adult I tend to get along fine with most other women but anything that raises the "competition" element of relating throws me for a loop.

I agree that it comes from childhood, Dana. The boys were never very mean, to me or each other, they'd fight more physically but then they'd forget about it the next day. The girls actively sought out ways to be cruel to one another, for years on end, and they were very creative.

Don't even fucking go there.

Women are able to get pissed off exclusive of having or expecting their menses.

Playing to the cliche/stereotype is not appropriate, and certainly something I did not expect to hear from you, you stoned, socialist, asshat.

What are cliches and stereotypes for, if not to play to?

Precisely. Even when I had a period, I didn't have PMS that badly. If I was pissed, then I was pissed, and not because of some goddamned hormone imbalance.

Bascially it boils down to this folks: not everything you say is going to be taken in the context that you mean it all of the time. You may be hitting someone on a day that they are not up to "playing around" (and god knows I have days like that..just ask Syc). ;)

What can I say :) I get really bad moodswings and hormone problems atthat time. Its usually what clues me in to when I am due ( cause I dont pay much attentionto calendars) The first I know about it is usually I have launched a completely unwarranted atttack at someone close to me and am already trying to hold back the tears....Just the way I am, so thats where my mind leapt to. If thats not your experience of it then you would likely just see it as a stereotype. It is a stereotype but that doesnt mean some us dont have that experience.

the thing i always found interesting about PMS is that it is a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. by identifying it and giving it a name....PMS....we are perpetuating it's existence. Even though most women will kill you slowly if you accuse her of suffering from it, they have no problem talking about it when it's not them.

and stop talking about menstruation in a thread with my name in the title.....i think i'm starting to develop breasts.

Mostly the problem comes in when a woman is accused of or assumed to be menstruating because she has expressed annoyance/anger/snappiness/emotional distress etc usually assumed by men ( not always) and usually for no other reason than that the woman has engaged in an overt display of negative emotion. ...This of course has been extended to include political passion or frustration ....

if on the other hand a woman is displaying what appear to uncharacteristically explosive behaviours and responses to situations and stimuli that havent changed significantly there are a number of possible causes and PMS is on the list.

Why, rag on LJ works.:haha:

I'd give an arm for an easy exuse for being a assmunch once in a while, and 1 every month?!?

Sign me up.....geez, I already pick up the maxi pacs anyhow.

No seriously..sign me up...this couldn't possibly go wrong, right?

Jeez, Wolf, a bit touchy today, are we? I always figured the whole PMS (PMT) thing was a crock, so I've never taken the mention of it very seriously. You give the syndrome more power than it deserves by blowing up that way over it. No hard feelings or anything, that's just how I see it.

I makes sense, if you don't feel well physically, it could alter your mood, so there's probably some basis. But, terribly overused as an explanation/insult. That being said, I have known a couple of women that do an absolute Jekyll/Hyde, like clockwork.:worried:

I'll admit I go pretty wacko, but instead of getting bitchy I get emotional/depressed. Curled-up-on-the-bed-crying-for-no-reason depressed. Doesn't happen every single month, but the pattern is undeniable. Usually lasts about two days and then it's gone.

Sometimes, I find I'm in a bad mood and I realize there's no reason for it. Then I check the calendar and find out it's full moon. A soon as I realize that, I'm OK for the rest of the day. Yeah, weird.:haha:

*nods* I find as soon as I realise where I am at in the month and that that is likely the cause of my depression/underlying sense of rage I am usually ok after that. It's when I am flying off the handle or feeling crushingly depressed and dont have anything to explain it that it is difficult to handle. Once i know what is behind it I can ride it out without too much unpleasantness

Heh. I had a next door neighbour years ago used to get really odd and aggressive around te lunar month. Was unnerving. He would be this really sweet guy most of the time ( in his late 70's) but then round about the full moon he'd become insulting, verbally abusive and downright unreasonable. Used to drive his wife loco

Right now my mood is pretty shit, caused in part by the hot heavy high pressure weather we are having, it gets to me somehow, also I don't sleep well. Anytime soon now an electrical storm is going to start and I will feel better.:(

Those are from my CD, remember? :)

You had the man-boobs before you got here. You can't blame those on us, bucko!

Yeah, maybe they weren't from the CD.

Understood, but bear in mind, because of the "stigma" that PMS has, sometimes it gets annoying to hear, "Oh she's bitchy today...must be on the rag." (or worse, "Sounds like she needs to get laid.") :angry:. And most of the time, those type of comments come from men, which makes it all the more worse, because they just assumed that it was a "female" problem, and not because of...oh let's say work stress, home stress, MAN stress, or anything outside of menstruation.

"Man stress"?

What the hell is that? :D

Couldn't agree with you more. Too many times men will use that term as a sort of male superiority put down. Its a way of invalidating a woman's feelings, by implying that she is just some thoughtless creature at the whim of every change of raging hormones. It lets the guy off the hook when he doesn't want to deal with something we say. Actually, I always wanted to get one of those T-Shirts that say, "I'm off my estrogen and I have a gun!" ;)

I have definite quick mood changes when menstruating. Usually, I want to wrestle. Sends the Mr. running to get me a chocolate bar then follows with him putting me in a Gagne Sleeper.

don't worry dude, i'll put in an order for a "Bro" for ya! [/sienfeld]:D

*snicker*

:cool:

Point of order- Men say that about men, too. ;)

how now brown cow!

FLIP , FLAP, WHAM, BAM!!!!!

Ok , new diapers, powder and a swab of A/B onintment ( for that ANOYING diaper rash ) for every body arguing and pissing and moaning !!!!!


Now does every body feel beter ????



Goood !!!!!!!

Thanks Zip, that feels wonderful.:D

thanks wolf, for shattering my illusion. thanksafuckinglot. :)
i prefer "manzier"

the boobs i spoke of were figurative, and much less hairy. with tassles on them. and tan lines.

i guess talking about female plumbing is better than the bitchslapping i was taking on thursday, though, so call aunt flo, tell the red fairy, i welcome them this month.