Bush saved from alcohol by Jesus
 

I was pleased to discover that my hometown was the place where are beloved President had a profound religious experience which caused him to quit drinking. Our former fraternity boy President with a fondness for beer and bourbon, turned teetotaler after a night of heavy drinking at the Broadmoor resort in Colorado Springs, Colo., celebrating his 40th birthday. Bush ascribes this change to the power of prayer and his belief in Jesus Christ (and what was probably one hell of a hang-over after partying all night).
A more public expression of faith that provoked much discussion and some criticism was when asked during a campaign debate what ''political philosopher or thinker'' he most identified with, Bush responded: ''Christ, because he changed my heart.''
Prodded to say more, he continued, ''When you turn your heart and your life over to Christ, when you accept Christ as savior, it changes the heart and changes your life, and that's what happened to me.''
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/e2248.htm

Without going into the whole question of the religious right, blah, blah, blah; am I the only one who finds it rather disconcerting that our President would cite Jesus as the POLITICAL philosopher or thinker he most identified with? I also find “Shrubbie’s” remark rather hypocritical since his actions in the Middle East have been far from Christ-like (in my opinion).

ROFL.....

thanks mar, for the laugh.

what an asshole.

thank jesus for saving our president.

no, wait......based on the senseless killing that has directly resulted from gwb's personal vendetta against iraq, i think it might be more likely the work of [church lady] satan?[/church lady]. If he had stayed drunk, he wouldn;t be president, and we wouldnt be at war. that, or jesus fucked up by saving him?

Well nobodys perfect ;)

Maybe Bush is actually a member of a satanic cult? But then again, imagine the result of this equation:

George Bush + Jack Daniels + Iraq = ?

Think of the possibilities! Maybe Jesus did do us all a good deed, after all.

=MUSHROOM CLOUDS FOR EVERYBODY

Well the Iraquies wouldn't be throwing any stones. They'd have glass houses. Matter of fact, the whole country would be glass.:(

Can't help feeling the way things are going sooner or later somewhere is going to end up glass =(

No problem, I survived Three Mile Island, 27 years later and still no sign of any of my lumps going haywire. Drinking all that malk held up my bones. If they nuke downtown Philly I'll be protected by 20 miles and the roads headed out are pretty good.

What the fark where you doing on three mile island?

So you spent a small bit of your childhood in the shadow of one nuke plant, and much of your adulthood in the shadow of another.

Do you see a theme here?

Don't worry so much, though. Apparently low doses of radiation are good for you.

I wasn't on it when it burped... I spent those days 15-20 miles away, in stone/brick structures, watching the news for more information.

I WAS on it a few years after the accident, making a delivery to their engineering/drafting department. I was a kid making deliveries for a summer job, driving a car that was not my own or my parent's and was not marked as a delivery vehicle in any way, permitted to make a delivery on the island with no ID, given a visitor's pass that allowed me to drive on and roam around until I found the right building to make the delivery. Well I did have to sign in.

That was about 1983 I think, with the second reactor back on line. I expect they have tougher restrictions to get on the facility today.

So you seriously believe radio-active fall-out would be no problemo?:3eye:

If the prevailing winds are blowing from the west, we're good.

the army of jebus shall not fail
 

Did you see what he said in response to Woodard's question as to whether he had consulted his father about the war in Iraq?

‘He is the wrong father to appeal to for advice. The wrong father to go to, to appeal to in terms of strength.’ And then he said, ‘There's a higher Father that I appeal to.’"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in612067.shtml

I guess it's cool that this guy has realized that, even being president, he's still afforded all the luxuries of being a citizen of the US: that is, he's welcome to practice his own religion without anybody in the gummint trying to muck it up. If he happens to want to be a Christian, who am I to complain?

The same goes for "innocent until proven guilty", and all the other fundamental tenets -- in spirit, not necessarily in letter -- that this country is built upon. Innocent until proven guilty, representation of the masses and all that. After all, people these days tend to be rather hard on 'ol GeeDub. We really should wait for hard proof before yelling "lynch him!".

Then again, maybe he should do the same for other people.

Frontline: The Jesus Factor is available for viewing online.

I’m really surprised, UT. I worked a dozens of nukes between ’70 & ’83, and security was always very tight. Undercar mirrors, hand searched baggage and training verification we’re standard. One plant had a gumball machine with black and white marbles, if you got a black one, you also got a body search.
Of course at the time, terrorists weren’t the issue, so much as nutcases and screw ups by improperly trained people. At 3 mile, in order to do any damage, you’d have to breech the right buildings, that were hopefully more secure. Besides, you have an honest face.
:)

Sure, if they nuke Philly. But they probably would just hit NY and DC and pass Philly right by.

Now, if Limerick goes up, that's another problem. My current plan is to get on 422 west (the "wrong" way -- the official evacuation plan is 422 east, which is undercapacity as it is... you'd be sitting in traffic as the plume came down). Then drive like hell to get on the west side before the plume comes down.

NYC and DC are now hard targets, and Philly is the soft one in between, with the advantage that it's a port city taking in shipping containers and stuff, and the cultural note that it's the birthplace of the country.

Originally posted by Undertoad I'm in DC. I keep 3 days of provisions in each car and a bike on the back of mine. We have a complete evac plan. Three years ago, such plans would have been the stuff of tin-foil hats.

It is amusing to see the rest of the country catching up ...

If we get nuked, I'm gonna be banging on Wolf's door, so I can borrow her gun, so I can shoot myself.
It's not something I particularly want to survive through.

- Pie

Originally posted by Pie Interesting. Most of my thinking centered on making it through the three days immediately following the attack. I never gave much thought to what America would look like with a six-mile wide crater where the Federal Government used to be.

We have to stick around to defend the Constitution, tho. Besides, there's no way I'm losing to a bunch of assholes.

Reminds me of "Mars Attacks."

"They killed Congress! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH!!!"

Man, when the radio active fall-out from the big whammo explosion from Norad hits you, You're all gonna wish you had Wolf's gun. Personally, since I live right next to Norad, I figure being atomized would probably be a better way to go then most. As I posted elsewhere, my one wish would be to have enough time to grab a lawn chair and a bottle of Jack and get to watch the first explosion before I reverted to my original form as a mass of swirling ions.

Its when the exclusive bible study becomes policy meeting that concerns me.

Many years ago I was "interviewed" by a friend who was doing a paper on nuclear war for a class that she had to take to get her BSN (which she still hasn't completed ... slacker!)

She was asking a bunch of questions, one of which was "what will you do if you survive a nuclear war?"

My answer at that time was "my plans for survival in a nuclear war involve an extremely large bottle of Jack Daniels and an extremely large knife." She didn't have a follow up question, so she had to draw her own conclusions. (The correct one, incidentally, is that the Jack is a trade good, and the knife is for defense, but people tend to have expectations based on their own belief systems.)

The answer was phrased in just that way largely for my potential amusement at the reaction of her professor. She was attending a very Christian College that had only recently stopped being solely a theological seminary, and got itself accreditted as a "real" college, because the bottom dropped out of the Bible College market. She passed that class, anyway.

In 2000 and 2001 I drove right up the buildings that were Susquehanna (Berwick PA) and Peach Bottom nuclear plants. Drove right onto the pier to touch the cooling system for Peach Bottom. Rode a bicycle right up to the chain link fence just outside (and a stone through away from) the Limerick nuclear plant. Never saw a single guard. Never was challenged by anyone at any of those plants.

Yankee Maine nuclear plant had shutdown by 2001. But the pools full of spent nuclear material remained completely unguarded the day WTC collapsed. I don't believe for a moment that undercar mirrors were standard. Even Vandenburg AFB required only a paper pass on the windshield as a guard stood rigidly at attention saluting each car as it entered.

When did I see my first undercar mirror search? In the White House parking lot as I rode through. Before WTC, many public Washington buildings did have package inspections and undercar mirrors. Outside of Washington - never saw any of that.

You have some unusual vacation destinations, tw.

Considering some of the things I stop at, for sightseeing, one might put me on a list of suspected terrorists. They and I find interest in many of the same things.

Well, I must have been lying.:finger:

at least you're man enough to admit it, bruce.....very big of you ;)

Religious freedom is not really an issue in our country...you are free to pursue the Christian path of your choice. If you have difficulty selecting one, one will be chosen for you.

That, or your dementia is kicking in. Or tw's dementia is kicking in. I'm going to split the difference and say...you're both mental.

Well, not really. A couple of years back I had to go the hospital and they asked me my religous preference. I replied "Buddhist." The admitting technician obligingly wrote down "none" on the line for religion.:3eye:

In Woodward's book, Bush said that he doesn't go to his father for advice - he goes to a higher father. When it comes to Israel, here is the guy who interprets the higher father's will for him.