5/1/2004: Skin gun
 

http://cellar.org/2004/skingun.jpg

No, it's art: the above gun is made out of skin wrapped over a gun-shaped frame.

But not just any skin; it's the human skin of the actual artist, Dutch woman Joanneke Meester. Actual skin, from her abdomen, taken under general anesthesia: a flap of 20 centimeters (8 inches) long and four centimeters (1.6 inches) high.

"It took me about an hour to make (the pistol) and at a certain point the edge started drying up and you could see a little blood on the skin, congealed," she said.

"If everyone made a pistol from their own skin, I think they would think twice about using a gun. I think there would be less violence in the world," she said. "But it's not that easy. Violence will always exist."

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She had the skin removed under general anethesia.

That is NOT suffering for her art.

Back in MY day ... she woulda flayed her own flesh with a rusty safety razor blade, photographed the whole event, and made a gallery show of it.

At least she could have made an actual size gun, instead of a crude looking Barbie gun.

That is FUCKING GROSS!!!!!
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My sentiments exactly.

what the fuck, I don't get her point. If I made a pistol out of my own skin I'd be asking wolf to take me in for a while.

Here in Pennsylvania I can do that without your asking ... and for that kind of behavior, too (some states won't commit on self-mutilation).

Oops oops oops I was wrong wolf, it was done under a local.

Still, your point stands

It's hard to imagine what kind of crap you'd have to come up with, not to qualify as "art".
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She should have spent a little time in the sun first.... that's one pastey gun.

Something crappier than crap I guess.

Maybe we could convince her to sculpt one out of her grey matter. She doesn't appear to be using it anyway.

So...........what happens next ? I get some bad visions involving tabasco sauce and a hot frying pan.

And so ItrouReor makes a spectacular entrance, and Perth pukes.

Welcome to the Cellar, ItrouReor. :)

http://www.barks.org/misc/rotflmao.gif Nice one, ItrouReor!!

Hahaha. Good show ItrouReor! Welcome to the cellar.

Wow, what a crazy lady. But we've all got to have some crazies in our life, eh? Taken from the article:
Eh hum. I hope I don't insult anyone here, but contemporary artists have issues.

Could I point to Van Gogh and say they've never been the most stable peeps in town

MMmmmmm! Perogi's!:yum:

are those freckles on the handle? :eyebrow:

Hi mrfurd, maybe they were belly piercings. :D

True story.

Once I was hunting white fronted geese and a big one flew by and I stood up and fired a round from my trusty 10 gauge double barrel (using 3XBB shot), an off brand old Spanish model gun. Down it came with a thud and a few moments passed and then the mate flew around in a circle calling with a slow kerhonk, kerhonk, kerhonk. I felt so bad, like "what had I done?" and I stood ther alone in the field with my gun, my dog and the dead goose, and I was so sad for this now widowed bird. So it all came naturally and I aimed and pulled the rear trigger and sunk that one too. No more sadness.

Made a damn good dinner out of the whole mess.
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Or doesn't have any. It's difficult to understand the behavior of hoplopobes sometimes. But there has been some insightful theories.

"I bet if everyone owned a pistol, they'd think twice before trying to make a gun out of someone's skin," is what I think she meant to say.

English can be a complicated language for foreign speakers to get their tenses and possesives, articles and pronouns all sorted out...

The article is missing, Anyone who read it care to weigh in on whether the reason for the surgery was the gun or whether the artist just decided to do something "useful" with the waste from a tummy tuck?

Damifino. :confused:

I'm thinkin' that may have the opposite effect on me.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.... if I go to all that trouble I'm gonna use the mf'er - a lot. Of course, since it's tiny and doesn't actually work, what difference does it make if I use it or not?

I think she meant that if everyone had a pistol nobody would try to make stuff from their skin.

I got, if you went through all that healing you'd think twice about shooting.

But seriously, what are the chances of a person that would do this, saying anything profound? :eyebrow:

I would like to shoot anybody stupid enough to think they were making a point with a gun replica made of their own flesh.

You should think twice before shooting anyway.

Hey, what happened to "shoot first and ask questions later"? :lol:

Thats how you get shot first.:cool:

Not really. The average drug dealer shoot-out involves absolutely no thinking, and a 15:1 shot to hit ratio. And the hit is of an uninvolved innocent bystander.

If Maggie's shooting you, you're going to be dead.

I said "think twice" not "think slow". If you're armed and maintaining situational awareness, you should have been thinking all along. By the time you're drawing from concealment, you should be pretty much done with reflection and ready to act.

I sure hope to have a hit ratio better than 15:1...there's only 12 rounds in the magazine. ;-) With my carry piece I usually practice with a half-size Q target at seven to fifteen yards and I'm satisfied with the results. Obviously stress fire is a whole different environment.

In another thread, I mentioned a comment made by the photog who took our pics for the Philly Weekly article. He asked a gangbanger why their aim was so bad....the answer was "everybody's high and nobody knows how to shoot".

Didn't the NRA have a program where they supplied repeat offenders with range time and instruction on the theory that less innocent bystanders would be injured if the gang bangers could hit who they wanted rather than just spraying down range?

If I am correct, been a while since I read it, that was a chapter (club) not The NRA.
You can't hold the whole organization responsible for every decision some hick burg uses the local chapter for.
This is a common way that the national press, especially those intent on mud-slinging or out-right lying work... it is a non-fact that sounds good because you can make it sound like it was NRA sponsored.
There was one where very young children were gifted guns in CA by a chapter and it was all over that the NRA was giving infants guns to shoot in their cribs. Idiots.

Semantics/inflection... not an easy thing to determine, "think" in this context.
Especially for someone who has been shooting as long as I have been, and as much.
If I am in an environment where I am ready to shoot there is a kind-of simplicity and instinct that takes over. It is thought, but when I see what I need to shoot and that there is nothing else in the way, I shoot. There is no second thought. That was as a professional hunter for many years, you think twice, you miss the shot & wound the animal, torture them instead of a clean cull. Something that, you may not believe, I still carry each with me.
If there was someone in my home and my wife was next to me and I saw that it was not my son or a family member, shoot. One thought, not family... then shoot.
There just is not time for anything else.
Not going into how or where I grew-up, because I don't assume anyone has or has not seen what I have seen or worse. But, I know how it affected me.
If they are in my home unannounced and they don't live there, they are there to kill us, period. End of story. End of discussion. End of possibilities. So, I just don't see where the second thought comes into play.

so surprise birthday parties are out of the question then? :right:

Good one.
Just make sure my wife's out front...