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hot_pastrami 03-10-2004 06:24 PM

DISH network drops all Viacom channels
 
DISH Network, in a righteous attempt to *cough* protect their customers *cough*, has dropped all Viacom channels from their lineup. This includes CBS, BET, Comedy Central, MTV, MTV2, MTV Espanol, Nickelodeon, Nick Games & Sports, Noggin, VH1, VH1 Classic and CBS-HD East and West. If you're a DISH subscriber, even if you have a contract, you no longer have these channels.

I'm not much of a TV watcher, but my wife is, and we do have DISH network. I don't much care for the idea that they're removing value from the service while we're under contract. But something tells me their average hold time at their customer service department is somewhere around a week right now, so calling in with a complaint will be a pain in the ass. But I am assured that my call is very important to them.

It's been ongoing for awhile now, I guess:
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Throughout the past week, Viacom-owned channels began broadcasting scrolling messages on the top or bottom of the screen, urging customers to call DISH representatives and ask to keep the channels. In response, DISH reportedly broadcast black bars over the scrolling message, hiding it.
Don't worry though, DISH Network says that they'll compensate their customers with a $1 credit per month. Sweet! That's like, two sodas a month!

lumberjim 03-10-2004 06:52 PM

they fuck you at the drive through. are they letting people out of their deals? i think i have a 1 year sub. but that was based on having the channels that i paid for. my kids watch the shit out of nickelodeon. i watch comedy central on the rare occasions that i watch tv. no more south park?! Is this permanent? is this part of that janet's titty thing? why, o why?


ok, i read the linked page, and it seems that this is a dispute over viacoms intent to increase it's premium by 40%. still. i hate to have to switch to cable. especially after what i went through trying to get directtv installed, giving up, and settling for dishnetwork. I think i'll stop paying my bill until they put the channels back on.

elSicomoro 03-10-2004 06:58 PM

I'm not switching to dish until Comcast finally gives in on SportsNet.

A similar situation happened 4 years ago with Cox Communications and Fox. Cox pulled Fox stations from their lineup for a short time. IIRC, the only part of the DC area that had Cox was Fairfax County...and this happened during a Redskins playoff run. Oh man, people were furious.

zippyt 03-10-2004 07:00 PM

Ugh LJ , you have the cable in place , the dish mount in place ( if you have dish net work that is ) goto radio shack get Direct TV in a box , hang it tune it ( use your cell phones to talk with you on the roof or where ever your dish is , and jinx in side telling you the singal strength ) ,
I did it my self in 2 different locations ( Memphis and Paragould ) and have helped MANY folks set their own up . It is NOT hard !!

Brigliadore 03-10-2004 07:02 PM

Reading another article on the matter, it said viacom was asking for a $0.03 increase per subscriber from what they currently are getting from dish. Yes thats right this is all over 3 friggin cents. I don't actively watch the stations they have now black listed but I am pissed at the childish shit being pulled by both sides. I still haven't decided what I want to do, but if I do end up calling Dish, they will be speaking with angry bitch Brittany and not nice on the phone Brittany. Lets hope they keep me on hold for 30 min. so I have time to get real mad.

lumberjim 03-10-2004 07:03 PM

i'll be in touch, zippy

The CIA 03-10-2004 07:04 PM

so will we

Undertoad 03-10-2004 07:09 PM

nice lethal weapon subref!

elSicomoro 03-10-2004 07:09 PM

Hey, don't you have some credible intelligence to gather? God, you guys suck!

zippyt 03-10-2004 07:16 PM

Happy to help any way i can from this distance .
And NO I am NOT talking about Bogus Access cards !!!

mrnoodle 03-10-2004 07:52 PM

What kills me is that I can't watch I Love the 80s reruns on VH1, and old metal videos on VH1 Classic. The upside is, I'm watching more History Channel now. I can almost feel the brain cells regenerating as we speak.

I wonder how hard it would be to get the hardware for satellite internet access, then do a zippyt.....

Hmm.

Beestie 03-10-2004 07:54 PM

Yeah, syc - I'm in Fairfax County and was a Cox customer when the Cox-Fox thing went down. And so I switched to Dish. And now my kids can't get Sponge Bob.

Can't win I tell ya.

zippyt 03-10-2004 08:08 PM

I wonder how hard it would be to get the hardware for satellite internet access, then do a zippyt.....

I wouldn't recomend trying to steal access ( tv or internet),
I know a few folks that have gotten busted BIGTIME !!!

I have direct tv with a dual lbn and tivo . That i put in my self .
It is leagle to set it up your self and call them , they couldn't beleve that i got 98% signal strength " most of our pro installers with sat tuners can't do that " . No big deal , all you need is some good communication to and from the tv and some time .

Undertoad 03-10-2004 08:15 PM

How hard is it to mount a dish mount in the ground? What if the ground is really muddy, like a bog?

zippyt 03-10-2004 08:16 PM

Go here , http://www.americansattelite.com
They have decent deals on ALL the equipment you will need .

zippyt 03-10-2004 08:23 PM

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UT said How hard is it to mount a dish mount in the ground? What if the ground is really muddy, like a bog?
Truthfully i don't know , I would think you could build up the area with dirt and dig a big ass hole to fill with cement to secure your sat mount pole .
i have put a dish on the roof , and on the pole of an existing BIG dish . In the next few years i am going to have to take down the big dish and extend the pole UP because of trees in the way . Any body perfected a laser that will top out a tree from a distance that I can borrow ???? Phasers on KILL and all that !!!

JeepNGeorge 03-10-2004 08:24 PM

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Originally posted by mrnoodle

I wonder how hard it would be to get the hardware for satellite internet access, then do a zippyt.....

Hmm.

Professional installs only on the satellite internet. :( Bastards!!! They want $200 to install it. I've looked into it since I live in the country and dsl, cable, wireless net options are not available to me. Direcway will also limit your downloads per day to something like 160 megs a day at highspeed. It will drop down to 56k after that for the something like 8 hours.

I don't know how reliable it is though, I've read a mixed bag of reviews on the stability of the system.

zippyt 03-10-2004 08:31 PM

we can get fixed wireless for about $65 a month that is as fast or faster than dsl . i just can't justify spending that much .

JeepNGeorge 03-10-2004 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by Brigliadore
Reading another article on the matter, it said viacom was asking for a $0.03 increase per subscriber from what they currently are getting from dish. Yes thats right this is all over 3 friggin cents. I don't actively watch the stations they have now black listed but I am pissed at the childish shit being pulled by both sides. I still haven't decided what I want to do, but if I do end up calling Dish, they will be speaking with angry bitch Brittany and not nice on the phone Brittany. Lets hope they keep me on hold for 30 min. so I have time to get real mad.
Viacom says .03 to .06 cents increase, Dish says 40%. Who you gonna believe. Dish says put it in writing the .06 and the contract is signed.

Another point is the Viacom owned CBS stations (luckily Oklahoma's is independently owned ) are being packaged into the deal. I can see Dish networks point. Why should the rest of the subscribers pay for a channel they can't legally recieve.

They better figure something out before March Madness or the phone lines are going to melt for both companies.

JeepNGeorge 03-10-2004 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by zippyt
we can get fixed wireless for about $65 a month that is as fast or faster than dsl . i just can't justify spending that much .
It's $33 for wireless here, if only they'd have a transmitter close enough to me I'd get it. We do have a county water tower behind our house and I'm trying to get them to install a repeater there, but so far no go.

What sucks is that our phone lines are so bad where I live, I'm lucky to connect at 28.8. I'd gladly pay the $65.

SteveDallas 03-10-2004 08:43 PM

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Originally posted by zippyt


Truthfully i don't know , I would think you could build up the area with dirt and dig a big ass hole to fill with cement to secure your sat mount pole .

My "big ass hole" (and you'd better be careful to have proper spacing in that phrase) which has the concrete base for the dish is somewhere between a foot and 18" wide, and I'm not sure exactly how deep, but it's not very. (I had a mount on the corner of the house when I was with Dish; when I switched to DirecTV I had to move down to the ground because a neighbor's tree interfered with line-of-sight to the DirecTV satellite.)

In the current dispute my sympathies lie at least theoretically with Dish Network. Dish/DirecTV/Cable companies are not blameless in these disputes... but we can't expect them to just cough up whatever the channels ask for. (As I understand it, the dispute it not solely about price, but also about Viacom wanted to tie carriage of their local channels to some extra "cable" channels that Dish isn't interested in carrying.)

LJ, if you switch to DirecTV, get one of the Tivo-ized receivers. You won't regret it. (Well, until your wife and kids have filled the damn thing up leaving you with 45 minutes to record whatever you want to watch. But I'm sure you can deal with that.)

mrnoodle 03-10-2004 08:44 PM

Sorry for getting so off-topic, but does anyone know of an affordable non-line-of-sight wireless solution (washes mouth out for using the term 'solution') for home users? I just got the sad news today, that regular wireless won't work where I am. I know there was something about it here at the cellar, but can't recall the thread.

zippyt 03-10-2004 08:52 PM

if you switch to DirecTV, get one of the Tivo-ized receivers. You won't regret it. (Well, until your wife and kids have filled the damn thing up leaving you with 45 minutes to record whatever you want to watch. But I'm sure you can deal with that.)

What he is talking about is a direct tv recever box with a hard drive built in , ours can hold 30 hours of video , you can ( and we WILL eventualy) add a second bigger hard drive that will give you an additional 120 hrs ????

I have a few flicks that just LIVE on my tivo drive . Nice to just be able to pull them up at any time :D

SteveDallas 03-11-2004 09:09 AM

Yeah, ours came with the 40GB drive and we popped in an extra 80GB. (And I then proceeded to re-assemble the box without reconnecting the internal fan lead, and then we went out somewhere about an hour later & left the kids home with a sitter, and the sitter freaked out when the TV stopped working and put up a message that said the temperature was too high!!) I can't speak for more recent models (ours is 2 years old), but there was actually space for 2 hard drives inside, so it was easy to add one instead replacing the one that came with it.

OnyxCougar 03-11-2004 09:56 AM

I wasn't with Cox when the Fox thing went down, but it nearly went down again, 2 months ago, with Fox and ESPN.

Fox came to an agreement fairly quickly, but ESPN got ugly, and it came within 3 months of pulling ESPN from the lineup. Cox had the numbers, and publicly displayed them (www.makethemplayfair.com), and ESPN responded by saying Cox wanted to pull ESPN off the line up.

I can say, as a customer, that I would rather not pay $2.25 for 3 sports channels on the Expanded lineup if I don't have to. I don't watch them, why do I have to pay for them? 2 ESPN channels accounts for more of the expanded lineup cost than all the viacom channels and 3 other channels COMBINED.

So Cox said, look. either reduce your price per channel INCREASES to a reasonable percentage, or let us MOVE the ESPN channels to a separate tier, and charge whatever the hell you want.

Well, of course, they don't want us to TIER services, because less than 12% of customers would pick them up. That means even LESS money than they make now! Oh no, we want you to keep them on the expanded tier AND charge you 500% increases over 10 years.

Yeah.

And people bitch when their cable bill goes up or when we drop channels. Can't have it both ways. We (the cable company) have to pay the people that OWN the stations to rebroadcast them. They charge us certain rates. If their rate increases, then we are going to pass that increase to the customer. So why be mad at Cox? Be mad at the companies that OWN the channels for raising their rates to us! You wanna know why there are more advertisements on TV? Why cable is so expensive? Ask the actors who work on Friends how much they make an episode, and then figure out where that money comes from.

$.03 cents my ass.

Beestie 03-11-2004 10:29 AM

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So why be mad at Cox? Be mad at the companies that OWN the channels for raising their rates to us! You wanna know why there are more advertisements on TV? Why cable is so expensive? Ask the actors who work on Friends how much they make an episode, and then figure out where that money comes from.
Or the sports figure contracts which are eventually subsidized by the TV contracts. Somebody's paying ARod's hundred freaking million dollar salary.

SteveDallas 03-11-2004 10:59 AM

Well, the sports contracts already got too expensive for broadcast TV. (Except for the NFL.) But not that many people cared all that much, because by that point the number of people with cable TV was very high. But at some point the sports contracts will be too expensive for cable too, and then things will be interesting.

Troubleshooter 03-11-2004 12:22 PM

Broad, shallow tub (18" - 24" deep) with handles and two bags of quicrete and it's portable.

SteveDallas 03-11-2004 01:51 PM

The only problem with that is if you don't have reasonably level ground to set it on.

russotto 03-11-2004 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrnoodle
Sorry for getting so off-topic, but does anyone know of an affordable non-line-of-sight wireless solution
Start another thread and say what you're trying to do and you might get some help.

NLOS and "affordable" is generally "forget about it", but there may be a specific solution.

hot_pastrami 03-11-2004 03:23 PM

DISH Network and Viacom resolve their differences. All praise the compassionate, understanding *cough* executives of each company for their selflessness. It brings a tear to the eye, it does.

Troubleshooter 03-11-2004 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SteveDallas
The only problem with that is if you don't have reasonably level ground to set it on.
True, but a little hoe work and a level is easier than digging a whole.

Elspode 03-11-2004 10:13 PM

Don't you guys have to put your dish slab below the frost line to avoid it heaving from year to year? Having your slab heave to and fro would tend to botch your alignment, I'd think.

SteveDallas 03-12-2004 08:31 AM

Interesting idea... it hasn't caused a problem yet, and we've been through two winters with our current setup. How does one prevent heaving? (It's a problem with our front stoop.)

Undertoad 03-12-2004 09:00 AM

Avoid listening to Kenny G

SteveDallas 03-12-2004 09:43 AM

You're saying I shouldn't play lumberjim's CD when it comes around?

xoxoxoBruce 03-12-2004 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SteveDallas
Interesting idea... it hasn't caused a problem yet, and we've been through two winters with our current setup. How does one prevent heaving? (It's a problem with our front stoop.)
The ground freezing around it is no problem but the ground freezing UNDER it will cause it to move. The (common)solution, is to make it deeper than the ground will freeze which is "below the frost line".

blue 03-12-2004 05:42 PM

Not too shabby, Dish stood up to Viacom, I don't have much love for other, but I was mildly inconvienenced, get $1 off my bill and a free $3.99 PPV voucher.

Still no porn channel tho ;-(

OnyxCougar 03-30-2004 02:38 PM

From WaPo:

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Channel Packaging Is So Much Cheaper, Incredulous Senators Are Told

by Frank Ahrens
Washington Post
March 26, 2004

In the dream world of some television viewers, they would pay their cable or satellite companies only for the channels they want. Some might not pay for MTV, because they don’t want their 8-year-olds watching it. Others would turn down ESPN Classic, because they’ve already seen the 1975 World Series. Others would eschew TeleFutura, because they don’t speak Spanish.

Reality is far different.

No U.S. cable or satellite company offers what are called "a la carte" plans. In order to get the Discovery Channel from Comcast Corp. cable company, for instance, Washington viewers have to pay for an "expanded basic" package that includes MTV, FX, MSNBC and 33 other channels.

That may change, if some lawmakers and consumer groups get their way, as the cable industry finds itself under increasing scrutiny. Lawmakers report that their constituents are angry about cable bills that have risen at three times the rate of inflation since the industry was largely deregulated in 1996. Others want government to do something about the rising incidence of profanity and nudity found on pay-television systems.

One possible solution being proposed is a la carte cable, a way to give consumers more choice over what they watch and how much they pay for it. But it’s not an answer the cable industry will swallow easily, if a Senate Commerce Committee hearing yesterday on cable rates is any indication.

Committee Chairman John McCain (R-Ariz.) peppered Cox Communications Inc. President James O. Robbins, asking the head of the nation’s fourth-largest cable company why consumers have to pay for channels they don’t want. Robbins’s answer: Giving consumers that degree of choice would cost too much.

Expensive set-top boxes would be needed to give consumers the pick-and-choose capability, and the upgrade could cost the industry billions of dollars. Companies would inevitably be forced to pass on some or all of the expense to subscribers.

"Frankly, that is where long-term the industry is going to go -- to video-on-demand," said Robbins, whose system has 6.3 million subscribers. "But there’s a $30 [billion] to $40 billion bridge to get there."

Besides adding to the cost, cable companies say, selling channels individually might make it difficult for lesser-watched, niche channels to survive.

Under an a la carte system, top-rated cable channels such as USA Network would likely thrive because ratings suggest enough people would choose to buy it individually to make it worth a programmer’s while. However, less-watched channels that serve distinct but smaller audiences, such as TechTV and BET, may not survive, because not enough viewers would pay for them. Under the current system, consumers effectively subsidize less-popular channels, which cable companies say provides diversity in the cable and satellite universe.

However, some consumer advocates and members of Congress don’t buy that logic.

"When I go to the grocery store to buy a quart of milk, I don’t have to buy a package of celery and a bunch of broccoli," McCain said in an interview on Wednesday. "I don’t like broccoli." He argues that it’s not an either-or situation for cable companies: They could continue to offer packages for consumers who wanted them and a la carte for other viewers.

In the interview, McCain said he probably would propose an amendment this year -- it could be attached to an authorization or spending bill, he said -- requiring cable companies to offer a la carte programming.

McCain is working with Consumers Union, the nonprofit organization that publishes Consumer Reports, to draft an amendment designed to make a la carte available. Gene Kimmelman, director of public policy for Consumers Union, presented senators with summaries of Canadian digital cable plans that allow customers to buy channels a la carte.

"U.S. subscribers don’t have that ability," McCain said.

The cable industry is urging the government not to return to the days when it regulated rates and demanded public access channels and other programming, arguing such mandates stifle innovation. But recent events have brought the industry unwanted congressional attention. Contract quarrels between cable networks such as ESPN and cable providers such as Cox have gone public, with each side blaming the other for higher cable bills for consumers. As a result, some members of Congress recently mulled setting limits on how much cable channels could charge distributors for each channel.

The industry is also under attack from people upset about content they consider indecent. Government decency rules and fines apply only to channels broadcast over the public airwaves, not to cable and satellite television, because courts have reasoned that subscribers elected to receive them. But McCain, FCC Commissioner Michael J. Copps and others have proposed extending the FCC’s enforcement powers to cable channels because the industry does not give consumers enough options to drop individual channels they find objectionable.

The cable industry opposes the move. As an alternative, the cable industry’s major trade group, the National Cable and Telecommunications Association, said earlier this week that the nation’s cable companies would give consumers -- at no cost -- the equipment needed to block unwanted cable channels in their homes.

But that’s not enough for some groups.

The Parents Television Council, whose more than 75,000 members flooded the FCC with 240,000 indecency complaints in 2003, wrote to McCain earlier this month, saying "there is something terribly and fundamentally wrong with requiring consumers to pay for a product they don’t want, and may even find offensive, in order to get something they do want."

For some lawmakers, a la carte programming is a no-brainer.

"Letters have been streaming into my office," said Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), a member of the committee. "I don’t hear as much about highlighted issues, like gay marriage . . . as I do about rising cable rates."

Lautenberg applauded the cable industry’s decision to pass out free channel-blocking hardware, but said that’s not enough.

"The logical next step," Lautenberg said, "is to relieve consumers of the burden of paying for channels they don’t watch."

George W. Bodenheimer, president of ESPN and ABC Sports, owned by Walt Disney Co., told the senators that forcing cable companies to remove ESPN channels from packages and offer them a la carte would be a "consumer disaster."

"We need competition," Bodenheimer said, "not regulation."

Some committee members said they were hesitant to impose conditions on the cable industry.

"It’s far too presumptuous to tell an industry how to market its product," said Sen. John Breaux (D-La.), another committee member.

When talk turned briefly to matters of indecency and government policing of cable channels, Robbins shot back: "We need to fix our own problems. We don’t need your help to do so."
Just a reminder: When Cox and ESPN had their dispute, Cox offered to put ESPN and sports programming on a seperate tier, so that those who wanted to pay for sports could do so, and those that don't watch sports (like myself) don't have to pay the higher price for other cable channels.

ESPN said unequivably, not just no, but hell no. Why? Because they know that only about 12% of the Cox subscribers actually watch sports. So if we tiered ESPN, they would lose 88% of their per subscriber rate. And if that happened, to keep their same rate of profit, they would have to charge ludicrous rates to the people that DO want sports programming. So it WOULD be a "consumer disaster", for those consumers. For the rest of us, it would be a good thing.

As far as ala carte pricing, I think it's a good idea on one hand but a bad idea on the other. Channel Surfing would go away, since you'd only get the channels you preselected, and your viewing blinders would be on. But for parents, I do think its a good thing. Then again, that's what blocking and ratings are for.

I don't like the idea of the gubmint imposing their standards on my TV. It's enough they have ratings for guidance, but forcing the cable industry to have alacarte .... I don't know.

Elspode 03-30-2004 03:01 PM

Most modern cable boxes give parents the option of blocking any and all channels they find objectionable, and allowing those who they deem able to watch those channels by entering a simple passcode.

I'm for whatever needs to be done to make things cheaper. My cable/broadband/digital video recorder bill is almost $200/month already. If it goes higher, I'll end up having to drop services.

xoxoxoBruce 03-30-2004 06:00 PM

The answer is competition. How many people have a choice of more than one cable company. Where I live, I can't get satellite and barely get 3 channels of broadcast, so it's comcast or nothing. :(

Undertoad 03-30-2004 08:32 PM

Why can't you get satellite?

BrianR 03-30-2004 11:13 PM

likely no line-of-sight to a satellite.

xoxoxoBruce 03-30-2004 11:14 PM

I live in a ravine with lots of big trees that don't belong to me. I'd have to put the sucker on a 100 ft pole, at least. The geography screws up broadcast transmissions too, ghosts galore. Oh, and the high tension lines.:3eye:


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