The continuing LUVBUGZ thread
 

Why befoul an IotD thread with personal crap? That's not fair to readers there because there are people who read there who don't read the rest of the Cellar. Let's do it here, where one can be more direct and personal. It's just us here.

Out with it then. LUVBUGZ: the good, the bad, the beautiful, the ugly. Let's discuss BUGZ in all ways. What do you like? What do you not like? What do you hate? What do you love?

I'll have to admit to being absent for a few days. Which IotD thread are we talking about?

Now there you go again, Dear. You're saying everyone doesn't like you and is covering it up with innuendos. That's neither true or fair to "everyone". C'mon now, you don't want to be like the old man and dump on anyone you think might be thinking ill of you, do you?
You have to be careful with retaliation because if you're wrong you look stupid to the other people, besides the one you're retaliating against.
You think you're being held to a tighter standard than others. Yes, you probably are, just because of history. If a cat claws you, don't you watch it closer for awhile after that?
As much as I respect Dagney's opinion, DON'T go AOL.:vomit: That's just disgusting.
Smile Baby, and the world smiles with you.:D

Oh...thanks Toad....give me something to play with AFTER I gave it up.

:pout:

Although I have a feeling, I'm not done yet.

Just do a search for everything posted by LB for the last two days.

      But I was JOKING! Why is it everything I say pisses everyone off??? Couldn't you see the smilie??? Why can't I make the same jokes as everyone else?

      Tee-hee.

Ah, but Bruce, in the World According to Bugz, she's never done ANYTHING wrong. We're just mean, evil, and randomly attacking her.

Oh yeah, and I'm a stalker.

      Now now, Dagney, let's give Bugz her fair say first. UT appears to be looking for her to get specific about stuff, lets see what happens shall we?

      Hey Juju, nothing new dude. Same stuff different day. You can pick it up here without feeling you missed anything, just a few pointless specifics that'll clear up quickly. You were mentioned once though, pregnant ad IOTD, appearantly having you on a thread makes it a party. Neat huh?

I agree with you Whit, but I also think it's a vent place for the rest of us who are sick of shovelling

UT, I get the impression from the exclamation point at the end of the first sentence you were....snapping. Over reaction due to the same reason you started this thread?:confused:

Re: The continuing LUVBUGZ thread
 

Sorry UT, I wasn't thinking about the casual visitor or possibly new recruits that come by way of the IotD thread. BTY, that's how I got here in the first place. It was the Purple Polar Bear a friend e-mailed to me. I had never visited a forum before that and didn't really grasp the idea that it is like a whole little universe in and of itself. Fortunately for me, apparently unfortunately for you and the rest of the Cellar heavy hitters, the first person I talked to was bgmb, I think that's right, I call her "B". I sent her a PM asking how to make a post and she graciously helped me out. In my naivete I jumped in head first, or maybe head-up-ass first, and started posting away, not realizing that not everybody in the Cellar would be as friendly or welcoming. I saw people basing on each other left and right and thought WOW, I do that pretty good, I'll definitely fit in here. Boy, was I ever wrong about that. Next I see Dave giving Anne a huge blast of shit in the Digital Airbrushing thread. He went off like a bull with a cattle prod to his nuts. I personally thought he went a little overboard, but he has a right to his opinion. Geez, I thought, you can cuss and everything here and no one really gives a big happy crap, it just makes for an entertaining flamefest. Boy was I ever wrong on that one too. Almost from the minute I opened my big ass mouth I've been hit upside the head everywhich way possible. I could accept that if it was in good jest, but for the most part it's not. Many people around here are actually pretty damn mean, and if it weren't for the good ones I'd just leave and let you guys enjoy the thrill of victory whilst I ran away with my tail tucked between my legs and endured the agony of defeat all by my lonesome. I'm perfectly fine with people not liking me or disagreeing with me, but we should still be able to carry on a perfectly civilized discussion/debate in an adult manner. Not everybody likes everybody else, that's life. As I've said before at least DagNEY can come out and say it to my face rather than beat around the bush. That I can deal with even if she chooses not to deal with me. At least we both know where we stand with each other. I can even accept that not every comment made to me is a direct attack, but it is rather difficult to take advice from somebody who continues to do so while ripping my head off and shitting down what used to be my throat (I'm NOT refering to your earlier advice in the Abdomen thread). I heard what you said there and was going to try and heed it, before you posted again asking me not to post in any of your threads. Damn UT, am I really that despicable of a person that you don't even want to see my name in the same thread as your's? I never knew you felt this way. See what I mean about people just coming out and saying what's on their minds. I still don't really see what I did to piss you off to the point of basically telling me to take a hike. I have tried over and over and over to explain in detail to people here how I have taken their comments, why I feel the way I do and still no one can admit that they were in the least bit partially to blame for the their part in the misunderstanding or whatever you want to call it. Well, I can remember one time Whit fessed up he was a "little" condesending, but before I could thank him for realizing why I took offense, he rolled out another stink bomb and left it at my feet. I really don't know what I can do or not do to fit in around here. I guess I just don't, period. I've tried to be like one of the gang, I've tried to be funny, I've been a bitch, I've tried it all and still the littlest thing can set off a torrent of 'liquid feces'. I could go on and on, but I'm sure you've lost interest after the first couple of sentences. :(

See, everybody. Bruce is actually giving me helpful advice without shitting it out his ass and smearing it in my face. Although he's done that too in a more private setting;) . But I didn't hold it against him when he did because I know Bruce is really trying to help me out and not just flinging shit to fuel the flamefest. Sure it hurt a little bit, no one likes to be told they're an asshole when all the joking and sarcasm is set aside for a moment, but I thought about what he said to me and tried to change for the better. Anyhow, Bruce, I thank you for your continued support (or deflea-ing) as you like to call it.:) :) :)

DagNEY, I thought we agreed that neither of us like one another and that you've said your peace, ripped me one last good one for the road in the Pregnant Ad IotD, and decided to ignore me from now on. Granted you are free to go where you wish and comment on any post you wish, but I wondering why you are here??? There are plenty of your buddies here willing and able to continue where you left off. I thought at least I wouldn't have to worry about you anymore. We aired our stinking laundry, let that be the end of it. No one is asking you to shovel anything so why is the shovel still in your hand:confused: :confused: :confused:

LB, if you review the threads I believe that you'll find that I've offered you nothing but helpful advice in a calm way and you took a big huge dump all over me for it.

I particularly enjoyed how you turned up to 11 to respond to my post suggesting you turn down to 4. It was a really supreme ironic twist.

You haven't really read a word I've said, because you are emotionally manic. You thrive on attention, and it really doesn't matter how you get it. You are absolutely desperate for human contact, and you don't know exactly how to go about getting it.

You will read this as me putting you down. But I am not; I am being your opposite. I am coldly, unemotionally stating facts.

There may be an awesome human being behind this attention-seeking emotional mania. But we can't see it, and won't make contact with it, because the mania gets in the way.

Shit Whit, hey that rhymes (I've always wanted to call you Nit Whit, but given my inability to convey a funny or sarcastic remark, I've fought the urge:p , but look I finally managed to slip it in a post:eek: ), anyhoo, stop poking little funnies at me when you know damn good and well I can't respond with my own little tidbits. You're not helping, just teasing now. Like waving a juicy steak in front of a pitbull chained to a tree. Free me from my chains Whit to run unabashed through the Cellar in all it's glee and jovialness (is that a word?, or maybe, just maybe I misspelled it, but of course you wouldn't be so rude as to correct my spelling....that would deifintely be an unforgivable PERSONAL ATTACK that I would have to live with for the rest of my wretched, flea ridden life):p :p :p :p :p

That's what I got out of it too, Bruce. Hence the apology, but apologies don't fly around here, at least mine don't seem too. If you notice also the time of my original chair post it was way before any shit flinging in the Prego Ad IotD. I took UT's response as a bit snippy due to the shit going on in the other thread. I ask again...where is the "thick skin" everyone claims is a necessity for survival in the Cellar?

UT, I never said that you have done anything but offer cold, unemotional helpful advice. I don't really see how I took a big huge dump on you, personally. I have read every word you have typed and I am definitely listening. Are you a psychologist? I think you may be right about the emotionally manic thing. And BTY, I am reading your post as putting me down and I feel like shit as I sit here reading it, but I'm reading nonetheless. I realize that maybe people observing me, who don't know me, might be able to offer me some personal insight that people who know me and hate me won't. Maybe I should check into a looney bin and get to the bottom of my deep seeded issues that you can see flaming away at my shallow surface. You're right about the attention thing too. Nobody gives a rat's ass about me and my pitiful little life, but I came to the Cellar hoping to find some new friends through laughter, not flamefests. Juju says I like to play the victim role. He's the second person I've come across in my life that has said that to me. I blew off the first guy (NOT literally, Bruce, FYI;))as an asshole (he really was one too, but that's besides the point), but maybe there is something to it if Juju says it too (I mean come on everybody here knows Juju's not an asshole;), sorry Juju something in me couldn't resist that jab, it's a joke, buddy ol' pal o' mine, no need to splice me open for that one, my guts are already oozing onto the Cellar floor). Sorry, I jumped the track there. Anyhow, playing right into my emotionally manic victimized by the world view of things, I don't think you would find an awesome human being behind my psychotic facade, because it's not a facade. I've been depressed (not manic) ever since I can remember and up until now I've managed to pass myself off as just a bitch with a 'tude and got by in life by being the sarcastic dumb-ass that could make you laugh your ass off if you had a clue as to what I was babbling about. Apparently, I can't even do that well anymore. So what do you suggest UT? Take a flying leap off a tall building or (Whit this one's for you;)) fall to my death on a collapsing bridge with a bunch of Indonesian kids? At least that would be tragic for the little booger picking rug rats.

You'll find that even the folks you think 'hate' you have something worthwhile to add.

This is a very telling sentence. We have. We've tried. And you've slapped the lot of us in the face.

More than once.

But you refuse to listen, or lash out and twist words. Repeatedly

Which is why you tend to find yourself on the wrong side of the shitstorm.

Have you tried being normal? No wait..normal isn't what I mean because I don't know what normal means. You say you've tried being this and tried being that why not just try being you? It's really a lot easier.
I guess we all sort of take on a "web persona" but the closer it is to your offline persona the easier it is to communicate what you're really thinking and that's what most people are interested in hearing. Everyone is posting reality as they see it which is called opinion. If you disagree then by all means say so but "eat shit and die" isn't necessary to convey any position. If that's the face you wish to show the world, fine, but it doesn't work very well in print unless you're a really, really good writer. Your insecurities are your business. We all have them. But never use them as an excuse or as a badge as it makes others uncomfortable and makes you vulnerable, IMO.
I guess adding IMO is really silly because everything I post is nothing more.:D

What do I suggest: as it came down to with Ciera, therapy.

If things really are as you say they are, it would do you a world of good. Have you considered it?

I'm just going to speculate here, as I realize I don't really know you.

I think that you're looking for strength in other people. That doesn't work. The foundation of your ego has to come from within. Surrounding yourself with a network of supportive friends can be very helpful, but it is not a foundation. Trying to use it as one just doesn't work. You have to believe in yourself.

It's easy to spot people who have self-confidence, because when someone insults or criticizes them, they take the comment, evaluate it, and reject it, leaving no scar on their inner self. They just don't take it personally. They say, "No, that's not me", and move on.

But if you don't believe in yourself, your self worth is left to the whims of others. Unfortunately, that can be pretty unpredictable.

Also, when your posts get a little long, it might help your readers if you break your thoughts up into paragraphs.

      A lot of interesting things said here... I'm going to ignore it all and do my own thing.

      Hi Bugz. I've never been sure why I seem to upset you, but I'm going to give an honest shot at straightening things out. Noteworthy only because my habit is to simply make fun of the people that don't like me. So here goes.
      Ya know Bugz, the first time we had a problem I thought this was what we were doing. We were clearly in disagreement but I found your point of view intriging and was looking to know more of it. Then you got upset. I'll say again, that was never my intention though you clearly believed it was.       Most people around here don't really care about apologies. At least not that I've noticed. Usually, we clear things up and move on or leave it messy and don't take it to another thread. Leave the mess where it lays and it'll move off the board in time.       Actually I was teasing. In a friendly way, or at least that was how it was meant. I think you almost took it that way, so we must be making some headway. Whoo-hoo!       Nope, not me, never. Got a chuckle out of the rest of this actually. I assume it was meant as a joke, if it was we're getting somewhere.       Another laugh from me here. Interestingly, this whole bit was one of your best posts, IMO at least. You just sound more real and less, well less like a victim towards the end here. I like it.
      Now on to the fair time portion of our program. You've been asking about everyone else's "thick skin" we've got it. I openly admit I've blatantly made fun of you. I do that to anyone that I think isn't listening, for my own amusement. I've accused you of things and given examples of what I meant. You, in turn, made accusations that you didn't back up even when I asked you to. Sounds like I really dislike you right? Nope, nice thick skin here. I'm good. Ready to be all friendly and cool. It's up to you girl-chic. (Take the girl thing as a jest and we're golden)
      I think we'll continue to disagree on many subjects but who cares? Accept that I have no interest in causing you pain and it should lead to many worthwhile discussions. So what's it going to be?

[sarcasm] Look, if everyone is gonna be all reasonable and touchy-feely, I'm gonna have to go get a hanky.

What's the Cellar coming to when people can't just kick the shit out of each other and then walk away shaking their oh-so-superior heads? [/sarcasm]

I wonder if maybe 'thick skin' is the wrong term for what we need to have to be relatively functional here on the Cellar. Maybe it is more like 'high selectivity'. If someone is being a dick, you can usually tell that they are a dick (need I name handles, here?), and if they are a dick, therefore it follows that their criticism/barbs/insults/opinions aren't really worth getting upset over. I know it is easier said than done, but then I've had a lot of practice on the 'Net over the years learning just that. I have found that I'm a much happier person since mostly learning that lesson.

Juju is right...believe in yourself first and always. Then, when someone nails you, you know it isn't valid, and you don't react badly.

Perhaps as a way to generate outside caretaker pity, you beat yourself up harder than anyone here could ever do. You're the only one who can stop that, and the only one who can take care. So therapy sounds like a good idea, not looney at all. Before we give our rats' asses, you gotta be solid in yours.

Re: Re: The continuing LUVBUGZ thread
 

Lord! I've missed it around here.

LB--- if no one jumps you out of the gate here, yer doing something wrong.

And yeah..they are mean. Ain't it Grand?

Jimmy Stewart, in Harvey, said he'd tried being smart and he'd tried being nice..and nice was better.

The Cellarites just disagree.... :)

Anyone who quotes Elwood P. Dowd is alright by me! :thumb:

The problem I have with "eat shit and die" is that it does nothing to make your point, it's just playground name calling and puts every reader on notice that you can't sustain an intelligent conversation and back up your position with facts. "ESaD" does nothing but tell the reader that you quit, you lose.
Calling someone an idiot could be construed as "you're and idiot therefore my position comes from a more intelligent source". It's a stretch but possible. The former does nothing.
We can't twist what you're trying to say because you're the only one that knows what that is. The reader only knows what you wrote. If there's more than one way to interpret what's written, the reader tries to put it in the context of what's come before and then who wrote it. That's the rub, as I said before you probably are being held to a higher standard because of what's transpired. But you have to be doubly sure what you write is what you're thinking so you don't end up defending something you didn't mean or feeling you're being abused because the reader didn't understand what you meant.
Written communication is much more difficult because if you peruse a dictionary most words have multiple meanings and there's no facial or tonal clues.
Also, sniping someone puts everyone else on notice that they could be next. That makes an uncomfortable atmosphere for some and definitely dissuades lurkers from wanting to contribute.

Also, Emily Post says that "Consume feces and expire" is much more socially acceptable.

I believe the best I've read yet was from vsp - "Consume feces and cease to metabolize"

....but if you call me, call me at this number.....

LB, (your response to me) that's all bullshit, and you know it. Deeply within yourself, you know that if you wanted to, you could get the books, read them, and follow them. And you know that if you wanted to, you could pay attention to yourself and others' reaction to you, and over time become a more personable you. And that, if you believed in yourself, your personality would reflect that and be much different to start.

The reason I know you know, is that you didn't give a real reason why you can't do it. Faced with the question, you just turned away and gave some bullshit answer that you yourself don't believe.

If someone told you they would give you a gift of 10 million dollars if only you made changes in your life, fixed the "issues", you'd probably make the changes, because there would be this immense motivation to do it. It would be hard to do. It would take a while. But you'd do it.

Maybe you'd read books. Maybe you'd find places on the net that are more helpful than we can be. Maybe you'd go to low-cost therapists and switch until you find one that does work. Maybe you'd focus your mind and change out of sheer will. Maybe you'd learn the name of what the "issues" are and watch Dr. Phil when he covers it as a topic.

You'd do it. So... what was your excuse again?

Warch, thanks for the input. I believe you are right about me beating myself up worse than anyone else can, but sometimes it still feels like a few Cellarites have done a pretty damn good job at kicking my ass whether I needed it or not.

I don't mean to imply that anyone who goes to or needs therapy is looney, I was getting a little carried away there. In fact I do go see someone about once a month, but since I don't make a lot of money I go through a county program which doesn't really offer one on one counseling with a therapist which I think would actually benefit me. I know what my "issues" are, but it is very difficult to overcome them without a good support network. My parents are a huge part of my problem so I can't get support from them and I have no real friends that I could talk to and as I stated in my post to UT I don't have the money to pay someone to listen to my problems. So, in a nut shell, I just go on trying to be better, but never really getting anywhere. I'm not quite sure what the hell I was thinking when I thought things might be different with a bunch of strangers in a forum:confused:

BUGZ, save your pennies and the next time you get vacation come East. We'll get everybody together and have a huge pillow fight. Then everyone will feel better.:D

Try to be an adult and work on your life. No one else will. I would suggest that it may be more rewarding or valuable to you than the 10 mil.

      Hi Bugz, I see you called yourself an idiot in the 'Serious' thread in Philosophy.
      Stop that. You're not helping yourself like that. When my boy started calling himself names like 'stupid' and 'idiot' I went out and bought him an IQ test. Made him take it in the middle of summer too. He immediately stopped his self-name calling and is much happier for it.
      My points are that a: you are not stupid saying it just makes you feel that way and b: this is exactly the kind of thing that draws attacks. It's like pouring blood in the water around sharks. It comes off as attention seeking, which seems to really annoy certain people around here.
      Buck up and show some pride. Heck personally I prefer down right arrogance but whatever works for you.

      By the by, I once heard a comedian talking about the "luck of the Irish." He said the Irish are the most unlucky people on earth, even their potatoes went bad. But when an Irishman steps in a pile of dog crap he says, "Lucky I wasn't wearin' me good shoes."
      It's an attitude. Things could always be worse and things can always get better, whether they do or not is irrelevant. See the bright side by choice, it's your choice to make.

      Oh yeah, the boy scored a 129 on the IQ test. Clearly, he was technicaly wrong in calling himself stupid. I'm satisfied with that.

Hey Whit,
I was half joking w/ Dave in the Serious thread. I was just wondering if it would make him feel any better if I caved and agreed with his view of me. Quess I'm still tryin' things out to smooth over the ruffled feathers around here. I wasn't using it as an attention seeking ploy, just giving him something to play with. I'm sure you're correct in saying others will interpret it as attention seeking though. Thanks for the input once again, just for kicks maybe I should take an IQ test to see where I actually stand in that category. Plus, then I'd have "PROOF" I wasn't stupid, assuming of course that's what the test showed;) .

Whit: Look son, the test shows you're two standard deviations above normal!

Son of Whit: Great, all I ever wanted to be was normal.

i think forrest said it best: "stupid is as stupid does". anyway, everyone has issues, no matter how big or small. for instance my divorce was final last week and i'm trying to find a new roommate, i hate where i work.....etc.... i could go on. a whole lot further. the cellar, to me, is a place where people get together and share their views on life. some people don't get along, look at bush and hussein. personally, i don't know any strangers. i think it's a plus but it could also be a fault, whatever. it doesn't matter to anyone but me. i'm haooy and that's what counts. it doesn't bother me if someone doesn't like me, hey, that's life. big deal. anyway, that's my 2 cents worth.

Hey, congrats Jinx. Maybe a little anti-climactical and sometimes reflection and mixed emotion but an important milestone anyway.:beer:

i call'em like i see'um and thx...:beer: :thumb:

Jinx
 

Where have you been? Congrats on the big "D", free at last, free at last. Assuming that you're glad it's over, that is:confused: . How's the kid taking it, or is he too small to realize what's going on? I guess this is a little off-thread, but hey it is MY thread, so I guess I can say what I want;) . I've been waiting on that "pixel magic" piece on my little Melvin. How's that coming along, or did you give up?

Re: Jinx
 

been well thx, haven't given up on melvin, just on the back burner for now. yeah, t's a little too young to undrstand the situation however my ex-wife (wow that was weird) and i split up a year ago november so he doesn't know any different. it's cool that way....sux when he wants to stay though when it's time for me to take him to the ex's....

Frankly anyone that posts a verbal dumb as long as LUVBUGZ first post in this thread without paragraphs (I've dumped some utter crap on these boards over time but at least they had paragraphs seperating the typo-ridden garbage) deserves some kind of painful absolution of their sins but hey i'm just a gouchy lurker these days =)

Hey LB, we haven't directly crossed paths yet. I haven't piped up during any of the insult-slinging because my interest in the Cellar is mostly intellectual and philosophical (hence my low post count... hah!). I don't really get involved in the exchanges of nastiness, unless it affects me personally.

There are relatively few regular posters here at the Cellar, which to me is excellent-- it prevents one's thoughts from being lost in the torrent-- but that also means that somebody who just walks in the door and chimes in their opinion will be highly scrutinized. If you're perceived as intelligent, amiable, funny, insightful, or any combination of the above, you're in, and you can get away with just about anything. If you're uninteresting, you'll be ignored as background noise. If you're abrasive, anal-retentive, or dumb, you'll go downhill fast.

You walked in the door, and your first noticable comments were anal-retentive. When challenged, you became abrasive. This behavior persisted for awhile until you realized your errors, but by then you had made so much backward progress that you're now mired. Some people, over time, will forget about that early crap and you'll be welcome here. Some people will never overcome their original low opinion of you, whether it is justified or not.

My advice.... Sighing and self-deprecation will not help you. Trying to explain why you acted the way you did will do little, if anything, to help you... and may in fact make matters worse by appearing to be fishing for sympathy. Move on... abandon this thread. Participate in the discussions and show everybody that you're a worthwhile contributor, which you CAN be if you choose to, or skulk away. Understand and accept that some people here will never like you. Also realize that playful jabs at such people will be met with resentment. And it's Ok to dislike them back.

That's it.

He's good.

Nail<---banging tool--->Head

YOu guys are a bunch of jerks! I hate you all!

<sulking in corner>

[friendly]Your inability to appropriately make use of the Shift key or to proof your own text before submission must really endear you to "the lizzzadies" and to your editor, breakingnews. [/sarcasm]

He sure is.

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Just bringing this back up to the main page on standard viewing options. With Bugz back I think we'll need this thread back.

Can I just refer you to this in regards to you getting all over FNF's ass about spelling and grammar?
Nobody likes a hypocrite dear.

Has LUVBUGZ hired you as a PR person?

Not a bad move, your posts are somewhat more platable than hers and you're nowhere near her score on the ignorance scale.

But you know it's odd that you say "start over", cause I think she is trying to "start over" the same old shit by comparing me to dave and all. Great start I say, 5 stars to the tard.

Isn't it ironic that you're asking for a stop to the "attacks on LUVBUGS" in the "continuing LUVBUGZ" thread? That got a few giggles out of me...

Well Onyx -
this isn't old stuff, I never replied to a LUVBUGZ post ever. I like FNF a lot, and just yesterday, she started a whole load of shit with him, and I just wanted to point out that one of her major arguments was bullshit. I am trying not to get into it with any more childish retards, or else I would be glad to explain why I am not a fan of BUGZ - if not from her last incarnation, then from what just got posted in the last few days by her.