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Griff 08-15-2003 12:37 PM

Privacy, I don't need no stinking privacy
 
I thought it'd be interesting to start a thread on privacy, just to see what sort of invasion does or doesn't offend folks.


From Yahoo

What is likely to be zipping across your airspace are identified flying objects of the terrestrial kind. They are better known as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and these robotic policing craft are loaded with high-tech sensors and other snooping gear.

I'm done picking my nose in the car, I'll tell you that. :)

99 44/100% pure 08-15-2003 02:21 PM

Re: Privacy, I don't need no stinking privacy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Griff

I'm done picking my nose in the car, I'll tell you that. :)

No amount of federal, state or private snooping can compare to the daily inquisition one faces when rearing children. Nose-picking went out the window at about the same time as peeing with the door open. I can't so much as scratch my back without one of my three kids asking "Do you have a mosquito bite?" "Why are you doing that? You look retarded." "Didn't you take a shower?"

Government -- HAH!

SteveDallas 08-15-2003 02:37 PM

Mrs. Dallas has the same complaint. They just come in and talk to her while she's in the shower or using the bathroom. It drives her up the wall. (They pretty much ignore me, though.)

vsp 08-15-2003 02:37 PM

I get annoyed when retail cashiers routinely ask me for my phone number, area code, ZIP code and other identifiers when I'm buying things. When you refuse, sometimes it really throws them for a loop.

I was buying a $2.99 cable at Radio Shack about a year ago, and the cashier immediately asked for my ZIP code. I asked why it mattered, and he wouldn't continue the transaction! He just stood there, staring vacantly, as I asked why he NEEDED a personal identifier to sell someone a $3 audio cable who was paying cash.

Finally, I just grinned, sat the cable down and walked out. "Where are you going?", he asked. "Target," I said. "If you consider demographics more important than customer service, you don't get sales." The look on his face was priceless.

99 44/100% pure 08-15-2003 02:41 PM

Unfortunately, the priceless look was more likely due to trying to figure out what all those big words meant, rather than his reaction to your radical idea.

headsplice 08-15-2003 03:20 PM

It isn't paranoia if they're actually coming to get you
 
I read a really good article about public monitoring a year or so ago. The author spoke about public cameras that supposedly keep records of crimes. The author stated that there is no way we, as citizens, are going to get away from cameras. However, the author also described a situation that would be great. Instead of having a database that only gov. officials (police, FBI, etc...) have access to, make the DB of vids open to EVERYONE. That way, instead of an Orwellian nightmare, you have what could be a freer, more open society (perhaps, the author was a bit overly-optimistic).
More generally, I don't want people sticking their noses in my business. I don't hurt anyone except myself, and I think people should leave me the hell alone. UAV's over US airspace is a scary thought. It feels like grease on the slippery slope to the Thought Police.

xoxoxoBruce 08-15-2003 04:01 PM

And in Philly it's illegal to wear a mask.;)

When the clerk starts to ask for info I tell then I'm already on their mailing list. If that doesn't work, Cash, John Cash - Nashville.

Skunks 08-15-2003 05:17 PM

I've adopted the belief that privacy isn't about not being seen, it's about being left alone. To quote NationStates (did anybody else play that game?) "When you go outside, PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU."

It's easy enough to ignore people snooping on my personal life if they don't comment on it, and, at some point, the stress of keeping them out will no longer be worth the unpleasantness of letting them in. Apathy reigns supreme.

Not that I have much of a personal life, anyway.

xoxoxoBruce 08-15-2003 05:29 PM

Skunks, the problem as I see it, is you don't know what information, the people that are watching you, are keeping. They can record a lot of random statements and actions, out of context, that could add up to a pretty damning dossier of circumstantial evidence. One that is hard to defend against, or indeed, to explain, even if you did remember the original occasions.:(

JeepNGeorge 08-15-2003 08:39 PM

privacy went out of vouge several years ago.

no cards

Target. That's one of the worst offenders for consumer privacy.

I hope you all don't use the little value customer cards either. I'll skip the extra 5% savings to not have them keep a record of what I buy.

Fluffy the Kat 08-15-2003 08:57 PM

This Whole Privacy Thing
 
Dear Persons-

I sure appreciate your comments about there being no privacy anymore, and, MAN! UAV's!(?)! They're already over here in Signal Hill, Calif. 90075. Phooey on Target and those dumb bunnys, Can't use them, either!

Ha!

Your Pal,

Fluffy

warch 08-15-2003 09:05 PM

Enjoy the show!
Just leave me the hell alone.

xoxoxoBruce 08-16-2003 06:58 AM

Jeep, the grocery cards don't bother me. I'm hoping the asshats will pay attention and stock what I buy regularly.
Of course I don't use the card when I buy jock itch spray. ;)

Tobiasly 08-16-2003 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JeepNGeorge
I hope you all don't use the little value customer cards either. I'll skip the extra 5% savings to not have them keep a record of what I buy.
Who cares if they know what you buy? So they send you targeted junk mail, instead of general junk mail. Big deal.

xoxoxoBruce 08-16-2003 08:46 AM

Not if you give them the wrong address.;)

vsp 08-16-2003 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xoxoxoBruce
And in Philly it's illegal to wear a mask.;)
Sometimes.

A friend and I have been known to wear goalie and/or wrestling masks to Phantoms games, for heckling purposes (back when we could get excited about the team). They've only stopped my friend once, and what they told him was that he had to take the mask off while going through the gates. Once inside, he could put it back on with no problems.

xoxoxoBruce 08-16-2003 10:27 AM

I meant on the street. They passed an ordnance awhile back to deal with protesters.

arz 08-18-2003 11:51 AM

Quote:

UAV's over US airspace is a scary thought. It feels like grease on the slippery slope to the Thought Police.
There are satellites in orbit that can see you right now. Cops have IR equipment that they can use to observe you through the walls of your house (but in one case that evidence was tossed out of court when they arrested the guy.).

To me, the issue isn't information collection, really, it's information correlation and secrecy. If I am able to access everything about me then I am much more comfortable with the idea of the collection agencies. It's when I can't know what they (think they) know about me that i get nervous.

michelangelo 08-18-2003 02:19 PM

I would agree with arz and wolud even go further: since one can never be sure that what you are told a someone else (person or agancy) is true, you never really know howmuch others know aobut you and if, how and when they will use it.
Since history has learned us that goverment agencis are corrupt and corruptable, we should be really careful here.
And let us consider an even more worrying alternative: what if the tevhnology involved would be in the hands of your worst enemy? You would not have any freedom left and problable no life either!! Worrying thought.
:(

Griff 08-18-2003 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by michelangelo
what if the tevhnology involved would be in the hands of your worst enemy?

You'd think rhe Dems and Reps could be convinced by that argument, but the ring of power is that seductive.

xoxoxoBruce 08-18-2003 02:36 PM

Quote:

Since history has learned us that goverment agencis are corrupt and corruptable, we should be really careful here.
Bingo! What they know about us may not seem important now, but what if the social/political climate changes. What if the rules change. Good point, michel.:thumb:

Beestie 08-22-2003 12:36 PM

All this is going to make a veeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrry interesting report to my superiors.

:cool:

xoxoxoBruce 08-22-2003 04:36 PM

OK,UT. Track him down and we'll kill him.:D

Chewbaccus 08-23-2003 12:40 AM

I thoroughly believe that this is the herald of the end of the republic. Just as history teaches that gov't agencies are susceptible to corruption, so does it teach that all prominent republics are replaced by an autocratic government, almost exclusvely at the will of the ruled populace - Caesar in Rome, Napoleon in France, Fascism in the 1930s (thought the Weimar Republic wasn't exactly prominent, but I digress), it goes on.

/me starts making his plans to raise up an army and carve out his own feifdom when the dissolution takes place.

Nathan Barnes 09-12-2003 03:51 PM

Brings to mind the privacy song.

http://www.deadtroll.com/video/privacysong.ram


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