I know this is just a bunch of terrible kids but...
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...=.681ce32500fe

I prefer the long dead Vatican II church of my youth.

Tolerance? When did any religion, that would impose their beliefs on all others, learn the word tolerance?

My god says I must impose his beliefs on other others with force and suicide bombings when necessary.

Scheduled march and spontaneous counter march. Nonviolent freedom of expression being exercised on both sides. I'm OK with that. Chanting and beating a drum was no less obnoxious than others chanting slogans. The Native American elder veteran got drowned out; so, what did he do? He became a little whiney girly man who cried intimidation because that public venue wasn't all his.

The students showed no class, much like war protesters who show up at military funerals. Their lack of life experience; however, is mitigating. If their school takes disciplinary action against them, as opposed to just reteaching, I can see the lawsuits flying.

Reporter Discovers and Writes Story Supporting The Official Narrative

"This confirms my beliefs," say many Narrative supporters after clicking on the paywalled item

:D

It's not just terrible kids; it's their chaperones, too.

It's hard to get good chaperones these days. They should have called upon some Boy Scout leaders like glatt.

I was wondering if you were going to come back with something after that paywalled article mind-boggler.

As people like me leave the Roman Catholic Church, people like them are the ones who are left.

if you gonna quote my deleted posts you may fuck right off

Yeah, no.

Do the revisions and/or deletions of your scatterbrained posts in the preview window like everyone else and you won't have anyone making keyword references to them.

Quote my foot.

You and me both brother. The American Church decided the culture war was more important than Jesus. It's not going well.

How well "it's going" depends on the goal, I'd say. I am not a Catholic, I respect the choices others make, but it does seem inconsistent when I compare what the source material is supposed to be and what I read and see about the actions of those who claim to be believers.

I think your opening observation, Griff, is most on target. It's a bunch of asshole kids being assholes. T/hey're ignorant of the impact of their actions on others directly and indirectly. Also on themselves. I can see the immediate positive sensation of feeling power and attention. That's small and fleeting compared to the damage to others and to their future, more mature selves.

As for the chaperones, not much can be said as the mob of boys appear to unattended. But there are reports that the mother of the boy in the video deflects criticisms of his actions by claiming "black muslims" harassed her boy:

From here and here.

Enabling, blaming, deflecting, so much fear and hatred. Pathetic.

The Media Wildly Mischaracterized That Video of Covington Catholic Students Confronting a Native American Veteran

Not saying just saying.

Mr. Native American has said that that video is not quite what it appears to be.

It would appear Nathan Phillips is always more than ready to barge into confrontations to spread his message. In the story about the being attacked by EMU students he says he couldn't just walk by, he said he just couldn't do that. Yes you could, but you didn't want to miss a confrontation Nate.

I see a lot of rude, disrespectful, thoughtless, behavior being labeled as hate. You can’t say it's hate if they don’t give a rat’s ass about you, don't know/care if you exist. :headshake

Link to what the kid in the video has to say:

Covington Catholic student from incident at the Indigenous Peoples March issues statement with his side of the story

Yeah, but he's lying, so is Phillips, it's a tradition. It's not just the politicians why feel compelled to lie when getting to DC, it's the tourists too.:yesnod:

Maybe it would help to rename it District of Candor.

Boy didn't lie. Media lied. Videos from elsewhere prove it

Now the split can be witnessed, as both sides work hard to find their places in the sun:

Spectator: "What make a Liberal want to punch a child?"

WaPo today: "The Catholic Church's Shameful History of Native American Abuses"

Not linking anything, because, obviously, fuck them. This is the modern result of a simple, non-violent protest event. Pretty much a bunch of nothing happened, but anyone can find the narrative that winds them up, and eat it up for dinner. You can have whatever narrative you enjoy. Just watch only the POV that confirms it. The only thing unavailable in any media is the truth.

A classic example of how Russian hackers can manipulate the dialog. It is hearsay from someone who is not verified by any third parties.

They had to get permission to chant in unison? What else must they get permission to think?

"They had to get permission to chant in unison?"
 

Who do you get your permission from?

Which version of 'politburo' do you answer to?

stones...glasshouses

The Times report takes a broader view.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/20/u...gtype=Homepage

There were broads there?

The plot thickens:

CNN: IT WASN'T US IT WAS TWITTER WHO DONE THAT

Student’s testimony appeared rather staged once he said they had to ask permission to chant. The NY Times better explains why.
He needed it edited by public relations firm? That makes it more honest?

Apparently the principle of Covington Catholic will be doing investigations with possible expulsions.

Is this what more easily happens now that a shutdown means no or a shortage of Federal oversight on National Monuments?

"Build that Wall", they chanted. We need more prisons now that violent confrontations and insulting others is encourage by The Don. Mafioso types love violent solutions. As The Don says, it’s just business - complete with a public relations firm writing the testimony.

Too many contradictory parties. Too many did not know who was who. Too many biased statement. Too little need to investigate since the powers that be are on shutdown. Only one conclusion is possible. Violence is encouraged and has increased because the president wants it and openly encourages it. Increasing hate (throughout history) makes such people more popular.

This event simply demonstrates what has been encouraged. Where is David Duke and Joseph McCarthy when we need them.

You'd think so as it was an abortion rally, but seems like a lot of dicks on the dance floor.

People were calling for his murder, and the jobs of his family and of every family in sight on the basis of a single frame, so YES, for fucks sake, he needed protection against people like yourself.

STILL looking for ANY WAY to tar and feather! STILL! I know YOU can't learn, but will everyone else?

STOP DOING THIS SHIT, YOU'RE KILLING US!

Honest source: The Atlantic: I Failed the Covington Catholic Test

That's a solid piece. I know I assumed too much when I saw the MAGA hat.

Wait it out and usually it becomes yesterdays news rather than developing like this did. Like seeing someone kick a puppy, react now or forget it.

People suck, life sucks, I suck. :rolleyes:

If honest (a moderate), then he never needed a PR firm. PR clearly did not protect him. If he needed protection, then he did not publish his name. Please do not continue promoting that bogus lie. Extremists do not need protection from moderates. Moderates need protection from extremists; the adults who are still emotional children.

Accurately noted were many dics promoting confusion and extremist agendas. Honest facts are hard to come by. But this is obviously bogus. They needed permission from their chaperons to chant school slogans? Total bull - classic spin - bad fiction invented by a PR firm. Reeks of spin (lies) so commonly found in Fox News and Russian hackers.

Extremists who can be manipulated by obvious lies such as Saddam's WMDs are a threat to moderates. Only extremists advocated and got useless deaths of 5000 American servicemen for no purpose. Extremists are always that dangerous. Extremists will not even apologize for those deaths and thousands more who are permanently maimed - for no purpose.

He went to PR people to carefully promote an extremist agenda. If honest, he did not need professional spin doctors or Russian hackers to rewrite his testimony. Credibility is seriously missing.

Extremism is why demonstrations turn confrontational. And why priming the extremist pump result in so many informative gems such as 'wreck shit'.

This confrontation demonstrate what Trump has promoted to advance himself. Physical confrontation is now encouraged even resulting in revival of the KKK, Nazis, and White Supremacists. The real point of this news story and what underlies the Atlantic piece.

Prime the pump so that extremist rhetoric (and the resulting entertainment) exposes its real self. Bring back David Duke and Joseph McCarthy to learn from history. He did not need PR spin doctors to protect himself. That spin only further clouds the event. But makes the actual problem just more obvious.

He's literally a child, Tom.

All these decades spent spitting venom about figurative children, and now you're going after an actual, literal child because he had an adult craft and deliver his defense.

Have you no sense of decency?

If our country is going to survive, we all need to pull back from our shit when we're wrong. That is what a "moderate" will do.

Well, first one has to understand and admit one is wrong.

I hear the NA gentleman is going to the school. Folks could actually end up learning something

For the record:
I was wrong.
I'm worse at social media than I thought.
Free speech happened.
It didn't get physical.

"One" didn't refer to you, btw. Just ppl in general.

Yeah, I didn't think so but I also hadn't explicitly said I fucked up starting this thread.

All of us were wrong, and continue to be wrong.

Watch the video and determine for yourself what's happening. Don't read any articles, don't read any quotes, don't read any hot takes, corrections, correction-corrections, or correction-correction criticisms.

The video only shows what it shows.

Those kids are Catholics. Tw is terrified of Catholics; because, you know, they'd be inclined to perform an exorcism on him.

Britain's esteemed :rolleyes: Daily Mail is still on the case.

They showed a brief video of the same boys, same day, catcalling a group of girls walking by, and one of the girls caught video the very end of it.
The girls didn't seem terribly angry and one yelled back, how old are you.
C'mon they're high school kids, I don't want to hear about toxic masculinity or toxic feminism. :headshake

Then there was this...
Attachment 66181

Yelling and taunting opposing teams in High School is not good sportsmanship or unusual.
No reason to assume it's because the kid was black, he's from another school, he is the enemy.

The kids painted black is a little bit more concern, I wonder what the school colors are.
Some Eagles fans paint themselves green, I've seen Packers fans in green, white and yellow.
So it could be that. I don't know

Nope, blue and white, nevermind.

Heavens to Murgatroyd! Exit, stage left.

Vietnam times Marine veteran sounds misleading. :eyebrow:

More of us should choose to not walk by.

If this had been a black muslim man in the face of a white catholic priest, the orange bucket of shit would be inviting the priest to the white house and all his bigoted supporters would be on the other side. Because, minorities

BTW, notice that the white privileged pussy got in the face of the old Native American, not the black guys who had words with his group.

Yeah, I'm grumpy this morning

Catch up Spex, the white privileged pussy did not get in the face of the old Native American, it was the other way round.
You're still working off the original video which has proved to be intentionally misleading.

Apparently the school has "black day" and "white day", where the fans will paint themselves black or white. No idea what the significance is, but assuming an innocent explanation for the black paint in general does not justify the minstrel show big white lip paint. And even assuming the kid(s) who did it had no idea, the adults in the room should have told them to go fix it.

My opinion of Sandmann has wavered with the various waves of news, but my opinion of the adults of the school has only gone down, and didn't start high.

Remember adults logically and forcefull showed Saddam did not and could not have WMDs. You refused to admit those WMDs did not exist even after George Jr conceded those WMDs did not exist. You were venomous - emotional - actually brainwashed.

So venomous as to not apologize for so many disparaging remarks directed at one who stated clearly, in an adult manner, using only facts, that those WMDs only existed in propaganda - intentional lies.

Almost 5000 American servicemen were killed for no purpose because you (and others also easily played by liars) sent them to their death. When do you apologized for that - act in an adult manner? You still do not. You never apologized - cannot admit that emotions were also responsible for that mistake.

Learn reality. Others have demonstrated Trump like hate promoted by those students. An honest student would never need a PR firm to rewrite his testimony. They even asked permission to chant? Clearly that is not honest. History of that school now demonstrates you are defending people who apparently have a serious extremists (hate) attitude. Same attitude that also said Saddam had WMDs. Same attitude that gets emotional rather than post facts.

So hateful as to post another cheapshot emotions - that I must somehow hate or fear Catholics. So apparently I must hate or fear myself - using emotionally inspired reasoning.

Please return to adult type writing. Discuss facts. Posting nasty insults at another is (and this is a fact; not an insult) is what adults who are still children do. Please return to more adult style writing. Stop acting that the UT who could never even admit Saddam did not have WMDs - even after George Jr admitted he did not. Please stick to facts and stop entertaining henry quirk and other extremist type emotions. Please act like a moderate. Please post more like Happy Monkey who discusses facts without emotions. Extremist resort to cheapshot attacks.

How do you separate what is and is not misleading? They all are only soundbytes of a larger event. So all can be misleading.

What actually happened probably will never be clear. What we do know is that confrontations that get physical usually mean extremists were somehow involved.

This article fully explains how I feel about this incident. Those boys and their school get no pass from me.

I'm OK with the way this went down.
A bunch of guys (didn't see any women or girls) got in each other's faces and made their points.
In spite of insults and adrenaline, nobody threw a punch.
Free speech in the age of ubiquitous video cameras and "social" media.

Well, a few days ago the nation had a rush to instant judgement based on a single image -- and then everyone had to back off because they learned from the bigger picture that they didn't have all the facts. Let us not rush to judgement again.

I think you're looking at the first picture. Look at the pointed, curled ends of the lip makeup on the "blackface" dude. Pointed, curled ends are not standard blackface. They would kind of ruin blackface; they are however standard on "joker face".

Joker face is white with red lips. And enlarging the mouth is in no way incompatible with minstrel show makeup.

Joker face is white and red... perhaps except on blackout day?

No, on blackout day, it's black and black.

are we really doing this

Smoking is bad for you; so, ditch the peace pipe and pass the firewater.

Doing what, dissecting a news story? Hell yes. Why not?