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classicman 01-21-2017 04:59 PM

President Donald John Trump
 
Since its finally happened and the world hasn't spun off its axis nor has the world been destroyed
by a nuclear cloud lets have thread for the 45th President. Here, it really is all about him.

Pico and ME 01-21-2017 06:08 PM

Campaign Trail Trump On Display As He Goes To CIA On First Day As President.

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On his first full day in the White House, President Trump went to the CIA presumably to try and offer an olive branch to members of the intelligence community he often maligned over their conclusions that Russia had conspired to influence the U.S. elections.
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Instead, he falsely denied that he had ever criticized the agency, falsely inflated the crowd size at his inauguration on Friday, attacked the media and told intelligence officers gathered to, "Trust me. I'm like a smart person."

Pico and ME 01-21-2017 06:16 PM

:lol: Gotta love Bill Maher...Trump voters are druggies.



Obviously, cant verify any of this info, but if true.....:lol:

Pico and ME 01-21-2017 06:18 PM

:mad2:


Heres the link...

http://americannewsx.com/politics/ma...addicts-video/

Pamela 01-21-2017 07:13 PM

Filed under "Humor". Of course.

Pico and ME 01-21-2017 07:35 PM

Counter inauguration protest.

HUGE.

“TRUMP,” read one sign, “DO YOU REALLY WANT TO PISS OFF THIS MANY WOMEN?”

sexobon 01-21-2017 07:35 PM

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On his first full day in the White House, President Trump went to the CIA ... and told intelligence officers gathered to, "Trust me. I'm like a smart person."
Isn't this is the same CIA that didn't know a Director, appointed by the outgoing President, had previously given classified information to his mistress; or, that he even had a mistress? With vetting like that, how smart can the intelligence officers Obama left him be? :lol:

Pico and ME 01-21-2017 07:39 PM

....but Trump was humping them bad.

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It was a rambling speech that was reminiscent of many of his campaign rallies. But Trump did begin by praising the work that CIA officers do and the danger they put themselves in every day, saying they would be instrumental in "making us safe" and "making us winners again."

He made the speech in front of a wall of 117 stars representing those in the agency who had lost their lives in service. He called the memorial "very, very special" and said he had enjoyed touring the building prior to the speech.

"There is nobody that feels stronger about the intelligence community and the CIA than Donald Trump," the president boasted, referring to himself in the third person.

He said that the agency sometimes hadn't gotten the backing they deserved from the White House, and promised that "you're going to get so much backing, maybe you're going to say, 'please don't give us so much backing'" — adapting a line he said many times during the campaign.

He ended his remarks by telling those gathered that, "I love you. I respect you. There's nobody I respect more. You're going to do a fantastic job. We're going to start winning again, and you're going to lead the charge" in helping combat ISIS.

Pico and ME 01-21-2017 07:44 PM

Trump Administration Goes To War With The Media Over Inauguration Crowd Size

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But then Spicer went on to make his own estimate on the crowd size and incorrectly claimed that the number of people who used the Washington D.C. Metro on Friday had outpaced the number of people who used the service during President Obama's second inaugural.

In 2009, 317,000 people had, in fact, used the Metro by 11 a.m., according to WMATA, as Spicer cited. But the White House press secretary then claimed that 420,000 people had used the Metro on Friday; by 11 a.m. only 193,000 people had ridden Metro. For the whole day on Friday, 570,000 people used the system, but in 2013 there were 782,000 riders and 1.1 million riders in 2009 — both much larger than Trump's inauguration.

sexobon 01-21-2017 08:06 PM

The Chinese hacked D.C.'s Metro system and changed the numbers.

Pico and ME 01-21-2017 08:12 PM

:D

xoxoxoBruce 01-22-2017 02:38 AM

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Everyone has a point...

DanaC 01-22-2017 08:13 AM

Super Callous Fascist Bigot Extra Braggadocious


That there is brilliant.

Pico and ME 01-22-2017 11:23 AM

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And this picture....

Attachment 59214

Griff 01-22-2017 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pamela (Post 980168)
Filed under "Humor". Of course.

Mahar leaves me cold as well. He is the echo chamber.

Sanders threw Trump a life preserver this morning.
During his inaugural speech President Trump said that he was going to represent working families and that: "We will no longer accept politicians who are all talk and no action." Great. Let's get to work. Let's do what the middle class and working families of this country want. Let's raise the minimum wage to a living wage, let's establish pay equity for women, let's create millions of jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, let's join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care to all as a right, let's make public colleges and universities tuition free, let's have the billionaire class start paying their fair share of taxes. No more talk. Let's do it. We're waiting, President Trump.

Happy Monkey 01-22-2017 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Trump's Press secretary
5:46 PM: Verbatim quote: "This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration. Period. Both in person and around the globe."

ie, the world population has increased.

Clodfobble 01-23-2017 05:37 PM

Oh my God I figured it out.


It's not the income Trump is hiding in his taxes. That has never made any sense. First, his supporters have never cared about whether he's really rich, or really pays taxes. Second, he hires teams of professional accountants--they may take advantage of every questionable loophole, but I guarantee they're as clean as any other corporation.

It's the charitable donations, you guys.

He's hiding the fact that he wrote off a large donation to someone, probably one of the many white nationalist organizations with non-profit status. At this point it's the only thing that would turn Republicans against him, hard evidence that he's an out-and-out Nazi sympathizer.

Mark my words. It's something in the charitable donations.

Griff 01-23-2017 05:44 PM

probably Greenpeace

edit oh no obviously Planned Parenthood

Undertoad 01-23-2017 06:33 PM

I would like to believe, but here's why not. Trump has been in real estate in an extremely Democratic/lefty city for 40 years. He's had to watch over skeletons like that.

In his line of business, I'd figger every donation he's ever made has been in order to get something in return.

Lastly I don't believe we have seen much of an ideology out of this guy at all.

tw 01-23-2017 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 980371)
Lastly I don't believe we have seen much of an ideology out of this guy at all.

So Trump is pragmatic.

sexobon 01-24-2017 05:37 PM

The Donald is in Shock and Awe ... of himself!

tw 01-24-2017 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 980430)
The Donald is in Shock and Awe ... of himself!

Can one really bomb himself?

Griff 01-24-2017 05:58 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...-me-reflection

Brian Eno has some interesting ideas about Trump, sort of a hard reboot. His bit on Hillary is spot on, the continuation of decline...

Just imagine if Hillary Clinton had won and we’d been business as usual, the whole structure she’d inherited, the whole Clinton family myth. I don’t know that’s a future I would particularly want. It just seems that was grinding slowly to a halt, whereas now, with Trump, there’s a chance of a proper crash, and a chance to really rethink.”

sexobon 01-24-2017 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 980435)
Can one really bomb himself?

You've never heard of a suicide bomber?

Flint 01-25-2017 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 980436)
https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...-me-reflection

Brian Eno has some interesting ideas about Trump, sort of a hard reboot. His bit on Hillary is spot on, the continuation of decline...

Just imagine if Hillary Clinton had won and we’d been business as usual, the whole structure she’d inherited, the whole Clinton family myth. I don’t know that’s a future I would particularly want. It just seems that was grinding slowly to a halt, whereas now, with Trump, there’s a chance of a proper crash, and a chance to really rethink.”

This is the best way to think of things.

Like Undertoad's broken bone that sets harder.

But if we don't "set" the fracture in proper alignment, we'll always have that limp, that scar, that bad memory when we look in the mirror.

Undertoad 01-25-2017 12:40 PM

That having been said, Eno is imagining the reformation as he would like it to go. That is almost certainly wrong. It will go the way it goes, which is certainly not the way we picture it going, however that may be.

The Civil War, you don't set out thinking well, 620,000 people are going to die but the resulting nation will be amazingly strong and resilient and uniquely prepared for the future.

Gravdigr 01-25-2017 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 980267)
ie, the world population has increased.

It's like people really enjoy screwing.

Flint 01-25-2017 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 980486)
... Eno is imagining the reformation as he would like it to go. That is almost certainly wrong. It will go the way it goes, which is certainly not the way we picture it going, however that may be.

I believe this is what Peart means by his re-telling of the 'reed that doesn't break in the wind.' Yes, we don't break, but... "we can only grow the way the wind blows."

tw 01-25-2017 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 980440)
You've never heard of a suicide bomber?

Civilized countries drop big bombs from B-2s. Never realized that terrorists would improvise.

We never associated a kamikaze with shock and awe - until now.

Griff 01-26-2017 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 980481)
This is the best way to think of things.

Like Undertoad's broken bone that sets harder.

But if we don't "set" the fracture in proper alignment, we'll always have that limp, that scar, that bad memory when we look in the mirror.

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 980486)
That having been said, Eno is imagining the reformation as he would like it to go. That is almost certainly wrong. It will go the way it goes, which is certainly not the way we picture it going, however that may be.

The Civil War, you don't set out thinking well, 620,000 people are going to die but the resulting nation will be amazingly strong and resilient and uniquely prepared for the future.

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 980489)
I believe this is what Peart means by his re-telling of the 'reed that doesn't break in the wind.' Yes, we don't break, but... "we can only grow the way the wind blows."

All spot on.

Griff 01-26-2017 06:45 AM

A serious question, what do Republican Senators think rises to an impeachable offense?

Clodfobble 01-26-2017 07:05 AM

Nothing, I'm betting. They'd rather keep an insane puppet than risk an unknown.

Undertoad 01-26-2017 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 980560)
A serious question, what do Republican Senators think rises to an impeachable offense?

Perjury in a trial where the accused is not found guilty?

glatt 01-26-2017 07:44 AM

Only if it's the other team's guy.

classicman 01-26-2017 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 980573)
Only if it's the other team's guy.

That goes for both teams... both other teams. :thepain: you know what I mean.

Clodfobble 01-26-2017 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff
A serious question, what do Republican Senators think rises to an impeachable offense?

Mr. Clod and I were talking about this tonight, and we came to the conclusion that the Republicans basically have the biggest Get Out of Jail Free card ever.

Trump can push for the most right-wing policies of their wildest dreams, and if the results are disastrous, they can say "it's not our fault, that was Trump." Anything they genuinely don't like, they can just let it die on the table without funding. If they do have to actively push back against something, they can outnumber him any time they want to, and they get to be heroes for going against their own guy for the good of the land.

If they hadn't won Congress, it would be a completely different balance of power. But as I'm pretty sure the saying goes, vote in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up faster...

BigV 01-27-2017 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 980206)
Super Callous Fascist Bigot Extra Braggadocious


That there is brilliant.

You're welcome.

and a pic

Griff 01-27-2017 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 980667)
Mr. Clod and I were talking about this tonight, and we came to the conclusion that the Republicans basically have the biggest Get Out of Jail Free card ever.

Trump can push for the most right-wing policies of their wildest dreams, and if the results are disastrous, they can say "it's not our fault, that was Trump." Anything they genuinely don't like, they can just let it die on the table without funding. If they do have to actively push back against something, they can outnumber him any time they want to, and they get to be heroes for going against their own guy for the good of the land.

If they hadn't won Congress, it would be a completely different balance of power. But as I'm pretty sure the saying goes, vote in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up faster...

This seems likely.

For the other side, they need to figure out the difference between (bad) policy and criminality.

xoxoxoBruce 01-27-2017 12:47 PM

From Cellar member Kirk's website...

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Let's talk about hypocrisy.

If you voted for Trump because of Hillary's email "problem" but are not upset that the Trump administration is using a private email server and unsecured phones, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe Jesus was a persecuted refugee fleeing Herod, but support the ban on Syrian refugees, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe life begins at conception, but support defunding the countries number one source of prenatal care, planned parenthood, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe the mainstream media lies but believe Trump when he spouts verifiable lies, you are a hypocrite.

If you dismiss the AP, Reuters or NPR as biased media but accept everything Fox news says, you are a hypocrite.

If you think all life is sacred, but do not support reasonable gun control, you are a hypocrite.

If you think children are the future, but support reducing funds for SNAP, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe in education, but dismiss evolution or climate change as hoaxes, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe in the sovereignty of the United States, but support forced incursions on Native American lands, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe that we need to drain the swamp of Washington but support Trump's cabinet picks, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe in the Constitution, but support indiscriminate detainment and torture, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe our troops lives have worth, but support Trump's claims to foreign countries natural resources, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe that unborn black babies lives matter, but black lives don't matter, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe that we deserve life, liberty and happiness, but support taking away healthcare from millions of Americans, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe that the practice of your religion is more important than the practice of no religion or a different religion, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe in equal rights under the law, but don't support marriage equality and non discrimination for LGBTQ Americans, you are a hypocrite.

If you are glad that California or New York do not decide national policy for you, but insist on forcing your red state policies on others, you are a hypocrite.

If you believe in the first amendment, but call people who peacefully protest the President as hooligans, you are a hypocrite.

If you are an American but think dissent is disrespectful, you are a hypocrite.

If you think that anything that has happened over the last week is normal or acceptable, then you have not been paying attention.
Certainly a leftist, maybe some libertarian, viewpoint. But I can agree with much of it.

Undertoad 01-27-2017 02:49 PM

All the name-calling is why we have President Trump.

http://cellar.org/2017/piepoint.jpg

And nobody has learned this yet, so... just the eight more years

Flint 01-27-2017 03:19 PM

Wouldn't it be weird if people were being told that other people are calling them names so often that they become indignant about something that isn't actually happening to them?

footfootfoot 01-27-2017 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 980167)

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West Virginia's mascot is a dilated pupil.
lmao

Happy Monkey 01-27-2017 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 980729)
All the name-calling is why we have President Trump.

And they're the ones who sneer at snowflakes who want safe spaces.

Undertoad 01-27-2017 09:53 PM


xoxoxoBruce 01-27-2017 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 980729)
All the name-calling is why we have President Trump.
[And nobody has learned this yet, so... just the eight more years

Shut up you bass thumping computer jockey. :lol2:

tw 01-28-2017 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot (Post 980737)
West Virginia's mascot is a dilated pupil.

Is that because the co-ed is dilated and about to have another illegitimate baby?

sexobon 01-29-2017 11:46 AM

Maybe they're into mydriatic abuse.

Pico and ME 01-29-2017 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 980839)
Maybe they're into mydriatic abuse.

No effin way would I be into that...ever.

tw 01-29-2017 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 980839)
Maybe they're into mydriatic abuse.

George Jr said he looked into Putin's eyes and saw a good soul. What really was he looking into? Would mydriates have helped him better see a real soul?

If The Donald took them, would he see the real world?

BigV 01-29-2017 11:36 PM

Bannon is the new Cheney

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But the defining moment for Mr. Bannon came Saturday night in the form of an executive order giving the rumpled right-wing agitator a full seat on the “principals committee” of the National Security Council — while downgrading the roles of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the director of national intelligence, who will now attend only when the council is considering issues in their direct areas of responsibilities. It is a startling elevation of a political adviser, to a status alongside the secretaries of state and defense, and over the president’s top military and intelligence advisers.

In theory, the move put Mr. Bannon, a former Navy surface warfare officer, admiral’s aide, investment banker, Hollywood producer and Breitbart News firebrand on the same level as his friend, Michael T. Flynn, the national security adviser, a former Pentagon intelligence chief who was Mr. Trump’s top adviser on national security issues before a series of missteps reduced his influence.

But in terms of real influence, Mr. Bannon looms above almost everyone except the president’s son-in-law, Jared D. Kushner, in the Trumpian pecking order, according to interviews with two dozen Trump insiders and current and former national security officials. The move involving Mr. Bannon, as well as the boost in status to the White House homeland security adviser, Thomas P. Bossert, and Mr. Trump’s relationships with Cabinet appointees like Defense Secretary Jim Mattis have essentially layered over Mr. Flynn.
God help us.

xoxoxoBruce 01-29-2017 11:43 PM

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downgrading the roles of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the director of national intelligence,
Smart move, this way they aren't needed in Washington when Trump sends them off to war. :rolleyes:

Griff 01-30-2017 06:40 AM

I guess we're officially in Yemen now...

The Bannon thing... makes me want to turn down my Nazi detector.

It is the democrats turn to bitch about executive orders, Christ it's almost time to turn back to the libertarians.

Clodfobble 01-30-2017 05:45 PM

Is it true that the National Security Council has authority over the "we promise we'll only use it on bad guys" drone strikes on citizens without due process? I need the cellar to be my reality check, here, because I've had to swear off all political radio/TV/internet for a bit, it's too much.

tw 01-30-2017 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 980964)
Is it true that the National Security Council has authority over the "we promise we'll only use it on bad guys" drone strikes on citizens without due process?

US would kidnap citizens of other nations only on speculation or fictional accusations. Put them in secret prisons around the world. Or dump them in Guantanamo. Extremist said that is good - and legal. Extremists have returned to power.

We know over 700 of less than 800 prisoners in Guantanamo were innocent. What has changed to avert that stupidity? Nothing. It is still legal. Now we have a president who knows someone is evil only because he 'feels' it is true.

Every non-American in the world has good reason to fear. America can kidnap anyone and put them in secret prisons - without judicial process. Because the victim is not an American citizen. These same extremists (and The Donald) even says torture is good.

Clodfobble 01-31-2017 10:01 AM

Mmkay, except not one word of that answered my question.

UT? It's not a leading question, I really want to know. I don't have the energy to figure this one out.

footfootfoot 01-31-2017 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 980966)
US would kidnap citizens of other nations only on speculation or fictional accusations. Put them in secret prisons around the world. Or dump them in Guantanamo. Extremist said that is good - and legal. Extremists have returned to power.

We know over 700 of less than 800 prisoners in Guantanamo were innocent. What has changed to avert that stupidity? Nothing. It is still legal. Now we have a president who knows someone is evil only because he 'feels' it is true.

Every non-American in the world has good reason to fear. America can kidnap anyone and put them in secret prisons - without judicial process. Because the victim is not an American citizen. These same extremists (and The Donald) even says torture is good.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 980964)
Is it true that the National Security Council has authority over the "we promise we'll only use it on bad guys" drone strikes on citizens without due process? I need the cellar to be my reality check, here, because I've had to swear off all political radio/TV/internet for a bit, it's too much.


There. Are you happy now?

glatt 01-31-2017 10:09 AM

In an Obama administration, AG Holder said that in theory, the President has that authority within the borders of the USA. But it has never been exercised and would be highly unusual.


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"As members of this Administration have previously indicated, the U.S. government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and has no intention of doing so. As a policy matter, moreover, we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat. We have a long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals located in our country who pose a threat to the United States and its interests abroad. Hundreds of individuals have been arrested and convicted of terrorism-related offenses in our federal courts.

"The question you have posed is therefore entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no President will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the President could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001.

"Were such an emergency to arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the President on the scope of his authority."

xoxoxoBruce 01-31-2017 11:47 AM

Red Dawn Movie
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An introductory montage shows the fallout of the economic crisis in the European Union and a weakened NATO alliance, amid increasing cooperation between an increasingly militant North Korea and ultranationalist-controlled Russia. The increased deployment of U.S. troops abroad leaves the mainland vulnerable.
A ridiculous fantacy that could never happen, amirite?

Undertoad 01-31-2017 11:50 AM

I only found this article which outlines the Obamadministration chain of command for drone strikes.

https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-kill-chain/

xoxoxoBruce 01-31-2017 02:49 PM

That's interesting, I would expect the chain between 350C Task Force and the President is primarily FYI and rubber stamped at each step, until it gets to the top.
I would hope at the top they would scrutinize it more closely as well as take the political considerations into account.
When it's passed to JSOC I'd assume decisions are only on their ability to do it.


I still maintain Anwar al Awlaki was not a US citizen. He had renounced his citizenship publicly. While he had not done the defined deliver a letter to an embassy as spelled out in the rules, he had joined a foreign military fighting the US.


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