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El Veto-Voter 09-04-2016 10:08 AM

Troll Presidential Candidates
 
Troll Presidential Candidates:

Conservative Hillary is Dem; Progressive Trump is Rep; Really? Give us a break!

Wow! What a wacky lineup!

On the "LIBERAL" side, we have a long-time establishment politician who has supported just about everything that her followers oppose. The list is too long to list here, but you all know it. It includes war, corporate bailouts, special interests, terrorism and anti-terrorism of various sorts, pay-to-play political corruption... all the things that "LIBERALS" are supposed to be against.

On the "CONSERVATIVE" side, we have a long-time liberal donor who has supported just about everything that his followers oppose. The list is too long to list here, but you can find it with a little research. It includes special favors for large corporations (his), government land grabs (eminent domain seizures), trade wars and restrictions (as long as it doesn't impact him and his friends), and who knows what else (since what he says changes from soundbite to soundbite).
If either were on a forum acting that way, they would immediately be called out for being a troll. But, because they have big money and big connections and huge special interest groups, they are each the hero of their respective movements.

It seems like sometime in the past some comedian (maybe Woody Allen) came up with this idea and pitched it as a "totally hilarious movie idea..." and the Hollywood producers turned it down as just too ridiculous to be credible with their audiences. Then some political activist got ahold of it and said, "just because it's too bizarre for a movie doesn't mean the voting public won't eat it up!"

So, we have Hillary Trump, the movie, presented to us as if it were real life.

Not Sorry Folks, but I'm not that gullible.

I refuse to let such silliness cause me to go around flapping that "the sky is falling".

Whoever wins, it will be a sad but hilarious time for America.
I expect to have a lot of laughs over their antics, both during the election and afterwards.

If the winner doesn't start a nuclear war or other major catastrophe, I can say, "see the sky didn't fall". If they do something really horrible (which seems quite likely for either of them) I can say, "don't blame me, I don't support that system".

Of course bad things will result from either of them being elected. The main difference I see is that those who vote for either are enablers to the system and thereby share responsibility in the outcome, whatever it is, while those who don't vote, are not responsible for whatever happens.

Sure, some people think that "you're not responsible..." is a put-down. It may be, depending on the circumstances. "You're not responsible for taking care of yourself..." is definitely not good (except to those who want to control you by taking care of you). "You're not responsible for this crime..." is definitely good.

Voting is taking responsibility for the crimes of the winners and the whole political system.

I am happy to be responsible for myself and my family. I refuse to take responsibility for a political system that is out of control and ruled by lunatics.

If you disagree feel free to vote. It's your conscience.

classicman 09-04-2016 10:24 AM

Not voting is still making a choice. You do not get a clear conscience by doing nothing.

tw 09-04-2016 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 968357)
Not voting is still making a choice.

No voting is how to tell politicians that only extremists matter. Ignore all moderates.

Even if you go to a poll but do not check off any candidates, that says to the victor that he must pay more attention to (what should be) a majority - the moderates.

sexobon 09-04-2016 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Veto-Voter (Post 968356)
... I am happy to be responsible for myself and my family. I refuse to take responsibility for a political system that is out of control and ruled by lunatics. ...

You don't get a choice in the matter. Whether you vote; or, abstain, you're responsible for the outcome. Abstaining constitutes your express consent to let others make the decision for you. You are legally, morally, and ethically responsible for the outcome and its ramifications; unless, you revoke your citizenship, become a felon, acquire dementia or otherwise become ineligible to vote.

By denying responsibility for whatever goes wrong you're behaving just like the politicians you disparage. A bit like the pot calling the kettle black. You're full of hot air much like your kindred spirits in government and as an attention whore are unworthy of any further consideration since you're not running for office.

Have a nice day citizen (I use the term lightly).

henry quirk 09-04-2016 12:01 PM

Speakin' only for me: I vote NOTA in the only way available to me (by not the voting). Put a binding NOTA option on every ballot of every election and watch me be first in line every time.

sexobon 09-04-2016 12:09 PM

More power for my vote, thank you.

henry quirk 09-04-2016 12:47 PM

Not really...I'm voting in a conscious, deliberate way, in a way that makes sense to me.

Worry about the folks who vote as reaction, without thinkin'. Worry about the folks who vote for rulers, not employees. Worry about the folks who vote cuz they want what you have, or who want you to live as they do. Mostly, worry about the folks who vote in resignation, believing that *'the lesser' is the best they've got.

Me: I want good employees, not crappy directors.









*the less evil, the less incompetent, the less mediocre

sexobon 09-04-2016 01:14 PM

Yes, really. If you're not completing a ballot, you're not casting a vote, you're just making a statement. The statement is that others will make the tough decisions for you. You're welcome.

henry quirk 09-04-2016 01:27 PM

Ah, I see, the piece of paper (the ballot) makes it 'real' for you.

Good on you...you've been trained well.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

sexobon 09-04-2016 01:34 PM

Well, I get to agree or disagree.

No vote, no count.

Thanks again for your 'real' power.

henry quirk 09-04-2016 01:58 PM

Hey, I get it...when your only direction comes by way of acting in concert with others, you go with what you got.

Being told what to do can be liberating (from self-responsibility) I guess.

To each his own.

'nuff said.

sexobon 09-04-2016 02:12 PM

You don't have a leg to stand on; so, you're sitting it out.

Let's take a 2 party vote on if there's been 'nuff said:

sexobon - No, henry quirk - Abstain

Sorry henry, thanks for your power.

You may now proceed with all the statements you wish to make. Oh, you can't, you believe there's been 'nuff said.

I, OTOH, don't have any such constraints. It's good to be the voter.

Undertoad 09-05-2016 10:23 AM

Let's apply it to the Moderator vote

most Dwellars did not vote for a Moderator as they felt things were okay and it wasn't necessary to take action

sexobon 09-05-2016 10:38 AM

Moderators don't have a limited number of terms. Apples and oranges.

henry quirk 09-05-2016 11:55 AM

sex,

Yep, 'nuff said, by me, on this subject, to you.

We disagree, aren't liable to move each other from our positions, so: 'nuff said.

You think I'm wrong; I think you're wrong...what's left to say?

Nuthin'

Clodfobble 09-05-2016 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk
...'nuff said... so: 'nuff said...what's left to say? Nuthin'

This is 100% representative of your writing style, BTW. Even when saying you must stop talking, you can't help but say it three times.

henry quirk 09-05-2016 12:15 PM

I'm a (severely) flawed man.

sexobon 09-05-2016 12:38 PM

I don't think you're wrong, you're well within your rights much like Kapernick. In our democracy, those who can act collectively as voters will always be the masters of those who abstain as rugged individualists. Not necessarily directly; but, at least indirectly. I'm glad that doesn't adversely affect your pursuit of happiness. I wouldn't recommend it to most people though as in most it would not present as altruistic; but, as a hypocritical character flaw. I don't discount that there are some true conscientious objectors to participation in the election system. It's just that as with those who claim to be military conscientious objectors, the true ones are few and far between ... the rest are just self serving.

Undertoad 09-05-2016 01:49 PM

The time you take to vote could be used to sway many votes, so if you are merely after control, you are going about it in the wrong way.

sexobon 09-05-2016 02:03 PM

Ahhh, grasshopper. In the context that I'm using the term masters, there's time to do both.

Undertoad 09-05-2016 02:12 PM

No there isn't.

Once you get to the polling place's entrance, stop right there, stand at the door, and for the time it would have taken you to get through the line and vote, just ask each person entering if they would please vote for your candidate.

You may have to dress appropriately, and it works better if you have something to hand them. But you will almost certainly get more votes for your candidate than the lone vote you would have cast.

*doesn't apply in low-volume polling places. If your local poll is low volume, instead of going to where you vote, go to a high-volume location

sexobon 09-05-2016 02:38 PM

WHATCHA TALKIN' BOUT SHERLOCK?

In many places it's illegal to solicit votes within 100 ft. of a polling place.

People who bother to vote have probably made up their minds beforehand. I'd be wasting my vote preaching to the choir.

I can hire someone to stand on a soapbox while I'm voting.

It's no surprise that you wouldn't know these things.

Must be some good stuff you're smokin'.

Undertoad 09-05-2016 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 968428)
People who bother to vote have probably made up their minds beforehand. I'd be wasting my vote preaching to the choir.

I've had the local US Congressman poll-sit against a local campaign I managed. Think he had better things to do?

sexobon 09-05-2016 03:57 PM

Did he poll-sit during the national anthem? :lol:

There's a difference between the poll-sitting influence of an elected official (or other celebrity) and that of an unknown constituent. For all the voters know, it's just a job for the poll-sitter. Students can be hired for poll sitting.

You're quite fond of apples and oranges aren't you?

Griff 09-05-2016 04:00 PM

http://www.cooks.com/recipe/xo68268a/fruit-salad.html
4 apples
4 oranges
1 can chunked pineapple
1 bunch grapes
1 c. nuts
4 bananas
1 jar cherries, halved
4 tangerines
1 can fruit cocktail, optional

classicman 09-05-2016 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 968428)
WHATCHA TALKIN' BOUT SHERLOCK?

In many places it's illegal to solicit votes within 100 ft. of a polling place.

Huh? There are poll trolls at every place I've ever voted at. Of course they are just "informing" me about a particular candidate or saying hello ... :cool:

Happy Monkey 09-05-2016 10:01 PM

100 ft isn't that far.

sexobon 09-05-2016 10:30 PM

It varies by State. Some are less, some are more.

NASS PDF for download:

State Laws Prohibiting Electioneering Activities Within a Certain Distance of the Polling Place - Updated August 2016

Clodfobble 09-06-2016 07:00 AM

Our state has a distance rule. At exactly that distance, there's a whole crowd of folks. Usually not aggressive, just sitting in lawn chairs next to their signs for the most part.

tw 09-06-2016 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 968417)
I'm a (severely) flawed man.

I know someone who will send you a crayon. A form of psychotherapy.

henry quirk 09-09-2016 08:36 AM

I'm flawed, not broken...don't need no stinkin' therapy.

tw 09-09-2016 12:18 PM

Even Data, who was flawed, kept seeking new therapies to improve himself.

Color him white; not red.

glatt 09-09-2016 01:24 PM

Just saw a bunch of signs for this guy. I would maybe vote for him for frat house president.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...de18ae6cac.jpg

henry quirk 09-09-2016 01:56 PM

Fuck Data.

He was a commie and Yar's walkin', talkin', dildo.

fargon 09-10-2016 12:53 PM

He was fully functional, and programed in multiple techniques.

glatt 09-11-2016 11:04 AM

I still can't figure Trump out. Does he want to be president? It's hard to think of a worse thing for him to do than cozy up to the Russians like he is. I mean, maybe if he pulled a Dennis Rodman, and cozied up to North Korea. I can't help but think he is trying to lose the election with his behavior. But make it look like he is trying to win so he can save face.

Griff 09-11-2016 11:42 AM

The Russian thing is interesting because Hillary is trapped in the Cold War mindset. She didn't download the update so she's running the wrong software (on more issues than this). She won't be able to work with the Russians if and when it makes sense. Trumpet in his haste to be different is screwing up as well kissing Putin's ass strongman to wanna be strongman.

sexobon 09-11-2016 12:00 PM

Cozying up to the Russians is our thing right now:
Obama's taking the lead, Trump is on board, Clinton is lagging. No wonder Obama defeated Clinton, she doesn't engage in a timely manner.

Griff 09-12-2016 05:59 AM

Apparently she is lagging in another way.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-1...gnosis/7834690

Naturally they rolled this diagnosis out well after the fact because... Clinton.

(it looks more like a seizure but the video isn't great)

Griff 09-12-2016 06:02 AM

Strange little occupydemocrats piece.

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/09/1...illary-health/

tw 09-13-2016 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 968764)
Obama's taking the lead, Trump is on board, Clinton is lagging. No wonder Obama defeated Clinton, she doesn't engage in a timely manner.

Total nonsense. Putin needs to concede on a few things. His economy is suffering even due to low oil prices. He must cut costs on a few adventures.

We have known early this year that he wanted to dial back on Syria having gotten everything he needed by throwing support to Assad. So he is ready to make the deal; a variation of one proposed years ago originally by the American military to avert accidents. And Kerry is a shrewd negotiator.

Putin would favor a Trump. The emotional are easily manipulated by a chess player. Trump likes Putin because Putin knows how to play someone that naive and emotional.

Meanwhile, outright stubbornness is required in Georgia, Estonia, Ukraine, Poland, and nations along the Baltic where Putin has been probing for weaknesses.

Putin does not want another cold war. Just one cool enough to maintain his popularity and power. Above statements imply complete ignorance of a bigger picture. And what is too complex when campaigning to a nation where half the voters are reported to read at below a ninth grade level.

Spexxvet 09-13-2016 08:12 AM

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Ha!

tw 09-13-2016 08:30 AM

Many of them never learned how to use dictionary.

No problem. The Donald will tell them what they need know.

classicman 09-13-2016 04:07 PM

W0W ... just reading the headlines on the OccDem link. Thats worse than the crap on Fox - by far. What a load of shit.

classicman 09-13-2016 04:09 PM

They don't even offer actual facts nor news...

sexobon 09-13-2016 04:18 PM

Trump understands Putin's taking care of business as only a businessman can. Clinton is as clueless about Putin as she was about securing her emails. Obama sent a shrewd negotiator like Kerry in to do with Russia what he could never have sent Clinton to do. Saying otherwise indicates a mindset limited to hindsight and incapable of strategic thinking.

tw 09-13-2016 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexobon (Post 968909)
Saying otherwise indicates a mindset limited to hindsight and incapable of strategic thinking.

A wacko extremist, who has no idea how the world works, must include cheapshots. Since extremists (Limbaugh, Cruz, Trump - his idols) also do that to be popular.

Limbaugh filled the party with least educated who are easily brainwashed by soundbytes. Cruz is popular because he insults everyone - even fellow Republican Senators. Trump became popular by appealing to racists and a basket of deplorables (Sexobon - did you find your dictionary yet?).

Cellar extremists reply with mockery, humiliation, and insults - literally in every post. If sexobon says it, then it is probably latest rhetoric promoted by extremists such as Ann Coulter. They think so much alike.

One really must be entrenched in extremism to promote Trump. Even George Jr was not this dumb. But saying dumb things enthralls him with wacko extremists - who confuse cheapshots with intelligence.

sexobon 09-13-2016 05:42 PM

sexobon - 4, tw - 0, case closed

henry quirk 09-14-2016 08:32 AM

You two should get a room, make that sweet love, and produce a master race of CHUD/Morlocks to subjugate and feed upon humanity.

tw 09-14-2016 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 968946)
You two should get a room,...

You mean sexobon has not insulted you yet? Wow. Where do you by antibiotic teflon?

henry quirk 09-15-2016 08:32 AM

I get insulted all the time. So what? I should get my undies in a knot cuz folks I don't know are unkind? Mebbe you got the time for all that nonsense, but I don't.

On those rare occasions when some one gets up my nose I *try to step back and figure out why. It's called being an adult (sumthin' you crow about often).

Just cuz bait is dangled is no reason to go snappin' after it.

My point: be like a duck...it's easier on your head and heart.









*last person to get up my nose here was UT and I handled that circumstance poorly...but I also stopped myself before my bad behavior went on for pages and pages...if an extreme primitive like myself can put the brakes on, surely an evolved, moderate creature like yourself can do no less?

sexobon 09-15-2016 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 968992)
... My point: be like a duck...it's easier on your head and heart. ...

Tw's a quack and is that not ducklike? :D

classicman 09-16-2016 08:34 PM

B00M! 5-0 \0/

tw 09-17-2016 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 968992)
My point: be like a duck...it's easier on your head and heart.

As you can see, enemies of America have again used a brain, inspired by their penis, to subvert intelligent discussion. I have always been like duck. And made sure all intelligent Cellar dwellers know who post cheapshots and insults constantly. Some adults have always been children.

Do they not make themselves obvious? And demonstrate why they so strongly praise The Donald. Just exposing an obvious truth.

sexobon 09-17-2016 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tw (Post 969192)
As you can see, enemies of America have again used a brain, inspired by their penis, to subvert intelligent discussion. I have always been like duck. ...

underline mine

Patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel. You've always been like a chicken, a dumb cluck. That's the truth of why you can't have intelligent discussions. :eyebrow:


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