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Where do they get young men like this?

I'm generally unemotional and I don't much go for schmaltzy stories like this. You can say it shows how embedding makes reporters identify with their units, if you like.

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Martin Savidge of CNN, embedded with the 1st Marine battalion, was talking with 4 young Marines near his foxhole this morning live on CNN. He had been telling the story of how well the Marines had been looking out for and taking care of him since the war started. He went on to tell about the many hardships the Marines had endured since the war began and how they all look after one another.

He turned to the four and said he had cleared it with their commanders and they could use his video phone to call home.

The 19 year old Marine next to him asked Martin if he would allow his platoon sergeant to use his call to call his pregnant wife back home whom he had not been able to talk to in three months. A stunned Savidge who was visibly moved by the request shook his head and the young Marine ran off to get the sergeant.

Savidge recovered after a few seconds and turned back to the three young Marines still sitting with him and asked which one of them would like to call home first, the Marine closest to him responded with out a moments hesitation "Sir, if is all the same to you we would like to call the parents of a buddy of ours, Lance Cpl Brian Buesing of Cedar Key, Florida who was killed on 3-23-03 near Nasiriya to see how they are doing."

At that Martin Savidge totally broke down and was unable to speak. All he could get out before signing off was "Where do they get young men like this?".

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Where do you get young men like this?

... I can think of one place.

Ugh, burned again! I feel so dirty...

It's OK Undertoad, your heart is in the right place

warch, wouldn't mind being there, but I'm too old (44)

I guess I could be an embedded journalist, but they would have to give me a weapon.

And I know our guys would take care of me, as they do their own.

     They've gone over there, gotten shot at and kept going. All in the service of their country. End of the day, that's heroic enough for me.

Why is it that snopes never works for me? Is it really just me? Or is is just down whenever I'm online?

Don't feel bad UT. I too got this story in an email and passed it on without checking snopes. And that's something I NEVER do. It's probably because it's so easy to believe. Those guys probably would love to talk to their families, but haven't reallly sorted out in their minds what they would say. Or more importantly what they don't want to say. Up until now it was like being away at college, all camaraderie and hoo-rah. But once they've seen battle it changes their perspective on everything for the rest of their lives. In war men see and experience things that they will never be able to explain to the people they love.

Well, I'm completely unable to access snopes from my home DSL connection, in Linux or Windows, on IE, Mozilla, Konqueror, or Galeon. Even a ping returns nothing. I even turned on the DMZ feature of my router so as to bypass the hardware firewall. No difference.

But I CAN access the site and ping it from my university shell account! And Whit told my last night that he could access the site just fine! So it's just me! And I haven't even done anything to piss them off. I barely even visit the site.

The only thing I can think of is that they're blocking my entire subnet. Any ideas?

Maybe you have a bad DNS record in your cache somehow. Try browsing the IP address instead:

http://198.64.132.113/

Nope, that wasn't it. Interesting idea, though. I never woulda thought of that..

Maybe it just doesn't like you...that's definitely possible. You probably pissed the site operators off someway or somehow.

Hey, I've gotten it. I'm able to access the site by going through www.anonymizer.com. They're blocking my IP! I haven't even done anything. Those bastards!

I oughta give them what for.

Dude...you're internet pariah.

Stay away from me! I don't wanna catch what you've got.

Well, I don't really use Galeon very much, so I configured it to use the proxy from this page. Now I can be anonymous whenever I want. And the proxy doesn't even insert any ads. Neat!

I know this is total thread hijacking, but add www.time.gov to the list of sites that I can only access through an anonymizer.

Simply amazing.

Looks like my call to the FBI has worked.

OK, there is probably some sort of weird routing problem and it might not be your problem at all.

You might be able to debug it yourself using traceroute; find out at which common point the routing stops. If a traceroute doesn't get out of your network, you know it's you. If it gets to your provider but not out, you know it's them.

Compare the traceroute from your shell account to the home account. Might be interesting.

Okay, on my machine, any website I try a traceroute on gives results similar to the following:

traceroute to time.gov (132.163.4.203), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 router (192.168.0.1) 0.451 ms 0.378 ms 0.343 ms
2 * * *
3 * * *
4 * * *
5 * * *
6 * * *
7 * * *
8 * * *
9 * * *
10 * * *
11 * * *
12 * * *
13 * * *
14 * * *

And it continues to add a 'hop' and three little astericks very slowly until I control-C. Even cellar.org and google.com give these results, and I can reach them just fine!

Could it be some problem with my router? I have a privoxy proxy too, but turning it off doesn't change anything, so I doubt it's that. Plus, that wouldn't affect the traceroute.

Traceroutes from my shell account provide results that look normal.

I rebooted the router through the web-based admin menu, and now I CAN access the two sites! But traceroutes still all return identical results.

Crazy router..

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Upgraded the router firmware, still traceroute didn't work. But then I discovered traceroute's '-I' switch, and that got it to work. Found others on Usenet with Dlink routers with similar problems.

Hrmm.

I think your version is corrupted, UT.

In your version, Savidge shakes his head no, but with Snopes he nods his head -- yes.

ages since i've used traceroute underwindows but aren't the *s just timeouts?

wow.

is there a world hall of fame for threadjacking?

-sm