Je Suis Charlie
 

I'm surprised there isn't a Cellar convo about this yet.

I'm getting a little fed up with how the media portrays terrorists, especially their use of the terrorist groups' own names. It would be better if the media referred to them as infidels and blasphemers or worthless garbage instead of dignifying them by calling them al quaida or whatever, especially making a point of saying over and over again that they are not really Muslims but just pretending to be.

Maybe the lead could be something like:

That would be a good start. The media likes to pretend it isn't biased, but maybe we need a little in your face perspective.

not lookin' to fight here, but...
 

Call them what they are: Islamic Fundamentalists.

They are not 'radicals' or 'extremists'.

They are followers of Islam as laid out in the Koran, without interpretation, modification, or adulteration.

Kill the infidel: that's you, me, and any one who isn't walkin' their narrow path.

No good purpose is served pretending these folks aren't Muslim (as envisioned by Muhamad).

See them for what they are.

I'm always impressed at the number of Muslim and Islamic experts we have here in the States.

I think I detect sarcasm... I like what Reza Aslan has to say:



Whatever religion a person practices their interpretation of that religion is. by definition, the Orthodox version and whatever anyone else practices is Heterodox

What does Fundamental actually mean? Why is one interpretation fundamental an another not? It seems to me like fundamental is just Newspeak for fascistic.

Aslan's points are excellent and show up the media for fanning the flames of fear, ignorance, and anger to generate clicks.

I'm pretty sure that 99.99% of Muslims don't feel terrorists represent them.

Are those 99 percent speaking up? I'm actually asking. I don't recall seeing any sort of organized effort to denounce what the 'extremists, fundamentalists...pick a word' are doing.

I hear the occasional 'that ain't us' but those are just a few small words with no resonance.

Or is it another cultural thing to just pray a lot and say and do nothing about your murderous brethren?

Again, I'm asking. I really don't know if there's any sort of stepping up in numbers (like 99 %) to say or do anything to get right down to it and say 'oh hale no!'

Excuse ebola me, have you ebola heard the latest ebola, buzz words ebola mandatory for ebola breaking news?

Fire burns.

Believing otherwise is foolish (in the least), or insane (at the most).

But: as you like.

I wonder about that too. I've read some people saying that the media isn't reporting it, but I don't know. Aslan is saying Islam doesn't promote violence or peace. But if you are a violent person you'll bring violence to it. I wouldn't want to be tarred with the same brush as The Westboro Baptist church because I live in a predominantly Christian country and I sure as shit don't want to be called on the carpet for all the fucked up things the Catholics did and still do just because I was raised Catholic. I think it is important to lump the terrorists together and put Westboro, for example, in with Al Qaida et al.

Hello, Joe!

Given the reactions of those "patriotic" Americans in NY City when Muslims tried to build a Community Center,
and the "watch lists" created by the F.B.I of people sending $ to other countries,
I'm not surprised if there may a reluctance on the part of American Muslims to draw attention to themselves.

Can you imagine the reaction to a parade down Main Street
of a large number of men and women carrying flags and placards saying... أنا لست أسامة بن لادن

For now, if I were Muslim, I'm not sure I'd want those neighbors down the street to know it.

Hi Grav.

When I was a Team Sergeant, one of my guys was from Bangladesh. Ali. Great guy, great family, I'm an honorary Uncle around his place. He taught me a lot about Islam.

All Americans should be forced to travel around the world at least once, get to know some other people, not just through the lens of the news.

I don't know about 'forced', but, I agree in theory.

~Mark Twain

Yea, too strong. Can't force em too. I agree.

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Wull, as we know, all peoples are the same, all religions are equal, and all cultures are due deep respect.

And therefore, it is impossible to judge. We cannot judge, and in fact, anyone who does judge is committing the very worst crime possible.

NPR is very diligent about referring to ISIS as "the so-called Islamic state."

I wonder if their style code would allow for the "so-called" to get added to more things, i.e. "al-Qaeada, a group of so-called Muslim terrorists."

Altho in retrospect they're probably qualifying the word 'state', not 'Islamic.'

I don't know about what they are doing around the country, but here, especially in poor neighborhoods they dress the part. Lots of women in burkas, and even more in one of the headscarf styles, but I suppose it could be a bad hair day. Men wearing kaftan/tunic style things over pajama looking pants. Sometimes just one of those Kufi style hats by itself. I see so many it's hard for me to believe it isn't a sizeable percentage of the Muslim community. Either that or there's a whole lot more of them than I thought.

As for the American Muslim community being low profile through it all, they know from past experience watching the Civil rights movement, the Anti-War protests, right up through the Occupy war (yes it was), You can't fight City Hall. For City Hall holds the power of White+Christian+money. They learned not to test that power having seen in person or the media, the savagery of racists who think they're defending baseball, apple pie, and Chevrolet. "You can't talk to a man, with a shotgun in his hand".

Seeing these radical murderers twisting the nuts of the establishment, the Muslims say their faith and personal beliefs don't approve. However if they perceive themselves as a suppressed minority, I wonder if hearing about these atrocities isn't a guilty pleasure. You know, just a little one for our side pride you can't justify or tell your closest friend.

Of course that wouldn't make them dangerous or a threat to apple pie, but might explain the quiet. However I've a feeling if the Radicals actually were a threat to the US, the American Muslims would become vocal.

Remember, this post is just the opinion of some asshole on the net, and does not represent the opinion of the Cellar, it's owner, or affiliates & denizens. :p:

They have an obvious name. They are called extremists. People told what to think.

Their enemy is moderates who conclude AFTER facts justify a conclusion. It was always about moderates verses extremists. So extremist are do not even comprehend a simple concept: Our God.

Religious extremists worship pathetic gods. By looking in a mirror to find it. "Mirror, mirror on the wall. Who's the greatest of them all."

Mohammed Ali. But that was not the first thing an extremist was told. So it must be wrong.

Mockery of "religious reactions" (ie by sarcasm) is common by moderates. And so extremists say, "Kill them all. God will know his own." Another sad quote from history that exists only because extremists exist.

Even poison Apples were recommended by god talking in a mirror. Extremists always do what they are told.

The minute a religion is anything more than a relationship between one man and his god, then that religion is satanic. An enemy of all moderates. Moderates never impose religious beliefs on others. Extremists do.

Hate of Muslims is also being used by other extremists (ie UG's Islamofascist rhetoric) to only make things worse. Extremists always need a bogeyman. Who is Our God?

Denizens - people who live in big exotic buildings separated from others, who pray to Our God, and tell us all what to believe. Isn't that also called a Pope? No wonder they want to kill him? How dare the denizen (who is not even a citizen) tell others they must serve the people.

Instead they will continue to do God's work because It is too pathetic to do it for Itself. Impose God's choosen religion on all others. It was the first thing told. So it must be God's will.

There's no such thing as extremists. There are only enthusiasts. EVERYONE is going to die. They're just enthusiastic about it. They want to share their enthusiasm with you. You're going to die. No power on earth is going to change that. It makes no difference when you die since it won't matter to you after you're dead. Sharing their enthusiasm is a kindness.

Ingrate.

In the 60s we had love-ins. And the Matahari came to teach us the wisdom of self.

Now we can all have die-ins. And the Jihadist can come to teach us how to achieve that nirvana faster.

Every generation means a new spiritual revival.

Hmm... this guy might be right.

But maybe they can get help in their recruiting.
Don't know about France but it can work here.

As you are probably aware of, there was a situation where some idiot who happened to be Muslim decided to murder a couple of people in a coffee shop here a few weeks ago. There was a lot of outcry from the Muslim population about this person and his non representation, but there were a lot of Muslim people who were also afraid to leave their homes, and those that did were afraid to wear traditional dress which is how the whole #illridewithyou thing came about. Christian or whatever belief Australians acknowledging that Muslims are not to blame for this behaviour.

It is radical behaviour by idiot filthy murderers. They should just be shot in the head at the first opportunity.

These scum disgust me. They don't frighten me. They only serve to make me wish them dead.

You know, I reckon international intelligence organisations know each and every name of these pigs, and I would fully support any government action to send in their elite soldiers to knock them all off in one go.

Let's see what terror really is.

Arab newspapers respond to the Hebdo attack:

http://imgur.com/a/zd5rl/

Nice find.

Which religion is more pious?

From the Washington Post of 9 January 2015 is what Episcopals apparently consider acceptable or forgivable behavior. How is someone so drunk as to blow 0.22 (drunk is anything above 0.08) over a half hour after killing a bicyclist while texting ... and this is only manslaughter? Is this is a first time for this bishop? Nope. And that church knew it.

Md. Episcopal bishop faces manslaughter, DUI charges in death of bicyclist

Murder indictment one. At .22, the bishop could have barely gotten to a car let alone drive it. Murder indictment Two. The bishop was texting while driving. Murder indictment three. The bicyclist was struck from behind so violently as to be thrown into the Subaru’s windshield. Murder indictment four. The bishop then fled the scene leaving the man dead or to lie on the road dying. Murder indictment five. The church knew of the bishop’s previous drunk driving incidents. And withheld it from church ministers who appointed this bishop to a top position. Why is this any different from pedophilia?.

But this was god's chosen bishop. So all that is only an accident? After all, the bishop was not some evil Muslim.

After how many violations is manslaughter actually first or second degree murder?

Muslims 20. Episcopals 1. Muslims win.
Or is this only the first quarter?

All peoples are the same all religions are equal all cultures are identical we cannot judge

I don't care what he does for a k living. Yes a drink driver. That is nothing to do with religion

A central belief of all mainstream Christian religions is forgiveness for people who have done wrong and are genuinely sorry. So it's hardly surprising.

Doesn't mean the laws don't apply to him and he won't have to deal with the legal system. (Didn't read the article.). It also doesn't mean they won't fire someone who might hurt the church because of their behavior. It also doesn't mean the victim's family will forgive this guy.

Silly bunny, the bishop is limited to diagonal movement but has no distance restrictions, thereby evading direct assault from any direction. ;)

That applies to white Christians and other white Christians. When it's a black person or a non-Christian, the white Christian is not as likely to forgive.

Only in the cartoon world of American politics. I had dinner with a devout conservative Catholic couple last night. They still get their Jesus love on even if they are certain we're fucking up. This graphic implies a lot of brown Christianity going on. My atheistic younger daughter's college roommate is a devout liberal Christian from Brazil. They couldn't be better friends or more alike.

Due to antisemitism, a FIFTH of French Jews, an estimated 100,000 people, have left the country in the last 12 months.

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That is out of control...

An interesting principles applies. Homesick at home. It does not only apply to Jews. It seems to be a growing attitude among all Frenchmen who regard France as less safe.

That strategy can be used by others as well...with the media cooperating.

You'd feel less safe too if you knew that when the going got tough, large segments of your population were going to bail out on you. But that's what it is to be French.

They've lost faith in the Maginot Line?

In 1967 there were 1 million Muslims out of 51 million in France. Now it's 3 to 5 million(1 million are citizens), out of 66 million. So the Muslims haven't swamped France, but they are mostly poor, mostly ghettoed, and increasingly more militant, rejecting France's long held assimilation policy, demanding France change to suit them.

That kind of growth and militancy of the sworn enemy, is kind of old hat to the Jews, but France's inability,(or perceived unwillingness) to protect them, has to be unnerving. I suspect some of what is called anti-Semitism of non-sworn enemy French, is really resentment of bankers-brokers-traders-wealthy, after the last global financial meltdown.

The good guys...

America also has a high influx of Muslim who feel more welcome. Even in Detroit, where the economy is particularly bad, a large and growing Muslim community considers their new home country more friendly.

Some estimates (all before this event) put at least 25% of Frenchmen with a poor opinion of Muslims. Numbers imply why French immigrant have more problems than their American immigrant cousins.

That's only urban myths. No large ex-flux from France exists.

Irrelevant, they believe it will happen and are acting accordingly, a blind man could see that.

And fo another point of view at The Intercept.

Thats what the wackos were told to say. A moderate would have posted numbers to support that suspicion. No numbers posted because that mass immigration from France to Isreal is only a feeling inspired by recent fears; not supported by actions.

If anyone should be in mass exodous due to hate, it should be Muslims. Fortunately extremists (those who promote hate) remain in a minority.

One doesn't post numbers for developmentally impaired whacko moderates who are incapable of recognizing the self evident and are too lazy to do the research themselves.

Past human behavior is not necessarily a reliable indicator of future human behavior. Any psychologist can tell you that, the French know it; but, you don't. That's because your developmental disability left you emotionally handicapped.

The fact is that there is enough of an extreme Muslim population in the world who are willing and able to commit huge acts of violence against unarmed and innocent people. It's enough to take some action. Having worked and befriended many Muslims who are not in this group I know that we cannot just lump all Muslims together. Yet, something must be done about the violent extreme groups.

Je suis Charlie, mais je ne suis pas Pam Geller.

Je suis Pam Geller when Pam Geller is the one getting shot at, until then she is having others do her heavy lifting and that's not fair.

That should include violent extremists such as Cheney and Bremer who pushed most all moderate Iraqis into extremism with Provisional Authority Orders 1 and 2. That literally forced all educated Iraqis into unemployment and disbanded the army and police. The resulting insurgency and death of most American soldiers in Iraq are directly traceable to those violent extremists.

BTW, Sexobon make frames himself as just as dumb by his incessent personal attacks. Tirades continue from that child.

But then I have both the medical and intelligence operative training to accurately characterize someone like you who routinely sees other adults as children because you're an impaired adult yourself. That goes directly to your credibility; or, lack thereof as a source of information.

So you are also a liar. Intelligent adults have not routinely posted so many cheapshots at many cellar dwellers. An adult who is still a child (and a wacko extremist) does post cheapshots. It somehow enthralls his ego.

Of course, ego also means he must reply with most insults. An adult who is still a child has nothing factual or adult to contribute.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE FACTS!

That's why you'll never hold more than amateur propagandist standing. You'll never live up to your father's professional status. You're just too impulsive, too reactionary, too easily hampered by your impaired perceptions of the world to realize that every time you try to impose your conclusions on others that your capabilities and motives will be scrutinized. If you don't want to be scrutinized, if you don't want others to impose their assessments of you on you, don't impose on others. Present information and let others draw their own conclusions. That's how normal adults relate to each other. Your communication skills are on par with that of an impaired adult. That's why you can't adapt even though it means diminished credibility.

OTOH, I enjoy your responses to my posts. They're highly entertaining, almost as comical as many of your conclusions. Please continue. You know you crave my replies and can't stop yourself. Resistance is futile.

Are children permitted on the Cellar?

No, you don't require a permit to be here. [zing!]

Monsieur tw, peut-être vous êtes Charlie!