Can you be too religious?
 

Giles Fraser, of the Guardian, asks the question: Can you be too religious?

Quite a thought provoking comment piece, I thought. So, given the subject of religion, in particular Christianity, has been a hot one in here just lately, I thought I'd post a little of it here.

He discusses religiosity as a concept, but the most interesting aspect is his view of Christianity.



His concluding paragraph is a lovely piece of writing and, I think, nails what Christianity should be about. It certainly is more like the Christianity I grew up with than a lot of what I currently read and hear.
It's a really interesting read. The rest can be found here:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...eligious-jesus

Bruce made me rethink my view on worship.
I realised that my problem was only with organised religion, not with people.

But my word I hear much more of hate than love from all the children of the book.
Not individual people.
Well.
Rarely.

Would I connect Rich Levy with Mossad?
My parents with the IRA?
Sameena on the Welcome Desk with Al Quaida?

So maybe it's the media. Dividing us makes better newsprint.
Until.
Until.
On a forum that welcomes everyone we find people who hate.
Or who hide behind religion to hate.
Or who use other people's religion to judge.
And that really does reflect the world so who am I to be all Pollyanna.

So much good is done in the name of Allah, Jehovah, God.
I have met some devout people that make even me, an committed atheist, want to ask for a blessing.
Not everyone is out for what they can get.

I saw in the weelky wipe, that the bapist church has a new pastor. He also lives about 50 miles away an a money market man. Is there something wrong here, or just me???

Jesus died for your sins!!! Make it worth his time.

I guess I'll get the brimstone for that.

yes you can be too religious.. when you start compromising the truth of God for rules taught by men, and start exchanging the the facts and replacing them with stupid little tradition, and then sell fortunes and pass them off as Godly principles you have gone too far..

Sometimes I wonder about you. Then again I don't.

:lol2: Merry Christmas, Buster, that made my day! :lol2:

Ask not what religion can do for you; but, what you can do for religion.


Shameless aren't I.

No, you cannot possibly be too religious.

I've got the petrol, did you bring the rags and corks?

No, you cannot possibly be too religious.

well unfortunately "wicca" which is like "Satan Worship" is considered religion as well.. so when all the homo's start getting divorced and if you don't think they will your a total fool(( because obviously America can't even get right the right way)) and start tuning on the Pope and worshiping the devil "there father".. mark my word you will see religion go to far as it already has but much worse it will get..

And we're back with the obsession with homosexuality again.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...-conservatives


and if you think I'm getting nowhere think again

Why did you post that? All I see in that link is that a man with hateful, outmoded and, quite frankly unintelligent, views used a GQ interview to spout homophobic nastiness, and now there's an argument over whether or not he should have been suspended.

I admit, I didn't read the whole article. When it got to the part about right wing conservatives denouncing a gay conservative group as fundamentally at odds with their beliefs, I stopped reading. I'd seen enough.

This Duck Dynasty Guy kind of sums up the whole issue. All he can think to talk about is which bits should go where. How utterly reductive of the human being.

The whole thing makes me feel very sad. And, y'know, I have yet to understand why, of all the things wrong in this world, the thing that seems to bother you most is that some men like to put their bits into other men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah


is this what you want??

Well, fortunately, it's never going to happen. And indeed, never did happen in the first place.

you speak of things you know nothing of what do you know about woman.. cook me a hot meal and write me a 10 verse poem about religion and homosexuality I will rebutle with my own poem, we will learn in the process, reap what we sew and come to a conclusion on both whose logic and wisdom is superior and who's destiny is heaven and who destiny "if they don't watch out" could very well be the firey pits of hell... :) are you game??

Yes it did happen.

You believe that it did happen. I believe that it did not.

Photos or it never did...

Hahahahahaahaha.

Ahhh. That put a smile on my face.

Ha! *slaps JB upside the head*

No. I really don't want to encourage you to write poetry about gay people going to hell.

Things you never thought you'd say at Christmas.

Hahahahahahahahaha.

I just startled Carrot by laughing really loudly.

No. I really don't want to encourage you to write poetry about gay people going to hell.

Because you know I'd win!! Scardey Cat...

I'm going to get a mental picture of a room full of geezers doing each other up the Marmite motorway. If I get back to ya in a few hours, I didn't get cast into a fiery pit.

Then, to celebrate not being dead, I'm going to give the missus a knee-trembler.

That's the best revenge.

A knee trembler. One of my favorite expressions, in every sense.

Well, I'm still alive and currently still running under 40 degrees C.
Dave from Croydon had the biggest wang ever! And didn't Barry from Didcot just know it...

Right. Where's the missus?...

See now, I would rather that she wrote me a hot poem and made a meal out of me. Methinks thou dost protest too much.

Maybe that'll knock the latency out of him.

My good lady has never written me a poem and cooks a lovely dinner. Can you tell me where we're going wrong?

all that just goes to prove that my nonsense is better than yall's nonsence.. if you really wanted to resolve something you would do what I suggested but you don't want your deeds or the wicked deeds of the homos to be brought to light so you hide in the shadows...

You really want the love sausage, don't you JB. Don't feel shamed about it, everybody has their kink.

Oh, yes. He wants to ride the Cumberland express but feels that standing in the ticket queue exposes him to the glaring eyes of the world. Go for it JB. Become that sausage jockey, weigh anchor at poo bay. See if anyone cares...

Somewhere klyde posted about smashing a woman's face or somesuch

RE: his sausage desires

Bang(h)ers and mash?

bitch this ain't "homo recruit" this is destroy homo's///

Is that what they're caling it these days?

Camille is a local girl, a very interesting lesbian writer.

What is her position on sausages?

Last I knew, anti-sausage in sex but not in life generally.

I'm not sure. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't her view on things give me more time for gardening and cooking?

I'm just trying not to be bias I don't wan't to give a one sided oppion on something I won't even try.. and believe me I won't..

You know, not to be too paranoid or anything, but why do I think that just by having that statement out there on the Internet, a small check mark was made in an electronic file somewhere? That there is some kind of counter that automatically produces a wiretap request when it hits 500.:right:

Anyway, I divide religious people into two categories, those that mostly internalize religion and those that mostly externalize religion. Those that internalize religion apply the ethos and/or doctrine mostly to themselves, measuring their success in how they meet the ideals of there religion. Those that externalize religion measure their success in how they can encourage/cajole/coerce/judge others on how they meet the ideals of the individuals religion, even if the people being judged are not members of that religion. The categories can be subdivided into adherence to the spirit or the letter of religious law.

Gay marriage is a perfect example. The argument that by allowing gay marriage, heterosexual marriage is somehow being spoiled for it's adherents is an external religious argument. It's like saying that members of the middle class should not be allowed to own Mercedes automobiles because doing so would cheapen the experience for the wealthy. The short answer to the car argument is that if some rich people are a*holes enough to feel that way, then there is an almost moral imperative to f*k with them by making sure it happens. Works for the marriage argument too.:cool:

Stop spouting hate, klyde. Just stop. You've fantasized about smashing women's faces in and now are talking 'destroy homo's (sic)'. Are you going for a hate hat trick?

I'm starting to think you're a troll. You're a little too organized and coherent in your hateful communications. The clanging, the word salad, all of your other pseudo-psychotic babble can be imitated. I think sexobon's right to call you out.

pseudo-psychotic babble

I warned you not to try and do the WRONG thing with me.. calling someone who is not gay.. a homo and playing mind games and not taking me seriously and saying I want sausage in my buttok is NOT want I want so don't go playing the Hate card when I get pissed because you can't handle a hedrosexual man acting like someone who thinks homo's are the psycho.. your twisted you concept of love is so demented that you think me getting mad at homos for trying to rape me is something bad..

Who are you even talking to? You're not making any sense.

they know who they are... and you don't make scene either.. I offered a solution to make the pc's shake hands.. you didn't want that solution...

Hard to tell if that's a part of his Hx; or, if he's just using metaphorical language again.

Neither God nor I hate gays, just their sin.
P.S. My sins are just as vile in the eyes of the Lord.

Hard to tell if that's a part of his Hx; or, if he's just using metaphorical language again.


look foker you don't run around trying to talk about in the third person when I am sitting right in front of you.. deal with the issue or be gone...

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no. You're like a Chihuahua, all bark, no bite.

So when did homos try to rape you?

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no. You're like a Chihuahua, all bark, no bite.

So when did homos try to rape you?


No I'm just trying to stay light hear ted. And it's not me I am worried about getting raped I'm pretty sure I can handle my own. It's these gay priest in the catholic church who molest children. someone's got to stand up for the children don't you think??

I don't think it can be you. Know what I mean Vern.

why not?? If I raise enough hell.. and get others raiseing enough hell eventually they'll do something...

You have to raise awareness and inspire progress.

Raising hell just gets you cast down.

You don't have the skill sets.

Improve yourself first.

thank you for your patience sexobon...

Thanks for hearing me out.

Goodnight.

Not to worry, deep down in your heart you know they've already tagged the Cellar subversives. Just ask the flowerpot. :lol2:

oh you thought the preacher was telling the truth.. not any more...

To me, it's always seemed like any and all religeons have been used more as an excuse for bad behaviour.

I think the world would be a much better place if we just celebrated being good people instead of whichever icon happens to be telling you why you will go to hell.