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Andrea Barry Chantal Dorian Erin Fernand Gabrielle
Humberto Ingrid Jerry Karen Lorenzo Melissa Nestor
Olga Pablo Rebekah Sebastien Tanya Van Wendy
are this year's storms.

We are only one week into hurricane season. And already Tropical Storm Andrea has formed. It is currently in the Gulf of Mexico. Is predicted to travel up the American East Coast.

I heard someone on the radio say that the whoeverdoesthatshitologists say there will be appx 7 MAJOR Hurricanes this year. Not that they would all hit us... but that they would form. Preston and Steve. That's where I heard it. Well, the News Chick on that show, anyway. Wanna make OVER/UNDER bets?

RUN! NOW!
We don't get them here. Thass all I'm saying.

Its projected path puts Andrea directed at the southern England coast. Arrival in maybe seven day. So you too can share in our rain.

We know a near zero category hurricane on the east coast can be hyped into a SuperStorm. Oh, the humanity!

Gulf Coast resident, here. It has been poooouuuuuurrriiiiinnngggg all morning. Blegh.

LOL, perhaps your just too young to remember The Great Storm of '87 and poor old Micheal Fish telling everyone not to worry about it.

I always remembered this was the last blow of a Hurricane, but the wiki page doesn't mention that.

I remember it in detail.
I walked to school in the aftermath, only to be turned back because the school had lost power. I felt like I was going to be blown off my feet, and in fact Dads came and collected me (on foot) from my friend's house because I was still quite a skinny little thing then.
And we live in a protected part of the country, weather-wise.

Dads does get really cross when people call it a hurricane though.
Because it wasn't.
Michael Foot was wrong however you look at it, but to hear Dad talk, it's one of the Great Injustices of the 20th Century.

Then again he thinks it was right to hang Derek Bentley, so I have learned to filter his opinion occasionally.
(Dad, not Michael Foot.)

Tell Me when to start Running

...when the key word in Google Public Alerts is "R-U-N-N-O-F-T"

Just a natural cycle. ;)

going out in half an hour to get dog ice cream ... already got all my french toast makings

Quietly and futilely the African coast has been throwing tropical storms at us. All have missed. Dorian is now formed earlier than any other. Meaning next week, somebody should get rain.

After all, Hartford, Hereford and Hampshire is where they hardly happen.

The Gulf and Caribbean have not been particularly warm this year. A potential tropical storm is over the Yucatan peninsula where it probably will meander in the Gulf. However a small amount of warmer water does exist off Louisiana. Anybody need some rain?

An actual tropical storm Erin has formed after moving off of Africa. In relatively cooler water. Give it about a week to grow up and find civilization. If it follows the tracks of Dorian, it might skirt the Florida Atlantic coast.

This is finally the way to get everyone's attention to hurricanes...

very funny!

Hurricanes are said to be evidence of global warming. However, there hasn't been a cat 3 hit the US in the eight years since Katrina. tw's threads and weather-predictors' "whoeverdoesthatshitologists say there will be appx 7 MAJOR Hurricanes this year" have resulted in nada.

Therefore global warming is over, right?

Or is warming actually much more complicated, and so this sort of snarky blaming and finger-pointing is just unhelpful political masturbation? Adding heat but no light to the GW debate?

I'm just saying.

http://cellar.org/2013/9j1YCnm.jpg

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I agree with you, UT.

The Democrats and Obama should not be blamed for everything wrong with this country.
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:rolleyes:

maybe you didn't get the joke.

the video wasn't about how many hurricanes we're having, it's about associating the damage from a hurricane with a given name; how it's unfair to castigate innocent people like Ivan and Andrew and Katrina and Sandy when they're not responsible for causing harm. the video suggests that the names should more accurately reflect the real sources of harm, *namely* (see what I did thar?), people in positions of influence who by their actions in concert with their beliefs that it is not caused by man-made activity are increasing that harm, but getting away with it because other names are being associated with the hurricanes.

but you probably already knew that, just as you probably already know that no one is suggesting that hurricanes are caused by climate change.

Marco Rubio, a denier.

Michelle Bachmann, simple simpleton.

David Vitter, political hack/denier.

Collin Peterson, not a denier, not a Republican, a profiteer.

John Boehner, an illusionist, misdirecting the audience with "carcinogen". He's not stupid, he's trying to distract.

Rick Perry, stalwart business-first, last, always, monomaniac, unafraid self-acclaimed "skeptic" (just not businessmen who are scientists)

ironically, Forbes magazine site offered this cookie before continuing on to the story:
hahahaha!!

the story

the author reiterates Perry's skepticism, but attempts to validate it with reference to Fred Singer's (A legendary denier of many things) sock puppet outfit "Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change"'s study saying 31 thousand scientists support Perry's position. now *that's* comical.

Paul Ryan, denier *and* conspiracy theorist

James Inhofe, denier and author.

Jeff Sessions, denier and misunderstander of scientific method

(an observation, Sessions' pushback on legislative efforts to restrain the runaway acceleration in CO2 concentrations has been described as "Obama's Agitprop", more evidence of the closemindedness of the deniers)

Paul Broun, anti-scientist placeholder (some would say stumbling block) on the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology

Darrell Issa, that circle fly orbiting Obama's ass angling for a bite

Lamar Smith, *Chairman* of the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology

they're being called out.

That was a nice wall of text, now explain the joke I didn't get.

Today, by coincidence (no statistics to prove it was not causal) there's another Representative on the list...

The Chestertown Spy
8/28/13

Rep. Andy Harris Presented With Climate Change Denier Award

What joke? He demonstrated how dumb and ignorant people are when a political agenda is more important than reality and the advancement of mankind. Listen to Limbaugh and you too can be dumber than a Cellar monkey.

Wacko extremism is alive and well. Low intelligence is the result. Just another reason why the world needs more moderates.

Only joke is the reasoning used by extremists. Same logic also gleefully massacred 5000 American servicemen uselessly in Iraq. And blamed the victims for no government assistance in New Orleans for five days after Katrina.

V said it was a joke, numbnuts

Wacko extremists actually think they are logical. They loved it when they send 5000 American soldiers to a useless death. You think that is funny?

If you can manage it, consider participating in the actual discussion.

Been drinking again, dic liquor?

Of course, the converse is also true: if you can't manage it, don't participate.

... and we wonder why people drop away from the Cellar.

Says the man who's been here for three years, to two men who have been here for 13+ years. :rolleyes:

Yes, I can do math--they were both here before this version of the site went live in Jan 2001.

In fact would you bear witness, Clod, that The Cellar and Undertoad were both more abrasive AND more popular 5-8 years ago?

Sure. The community waxes and wanes. We ain't NYC right now, but we ain't Detroit either. The only thing that can be said to definitely never work is for one person to try to assert what the community is or should be. Human beings don't work like that, and this place is just crawling with them.

as to the joke,

the video makes these connections:

hurricanes cause lots of damage
hurricanes are named
people who've suffered damage are angry at people with those names (this is the fulcrum of the joke. of course the people who've had their house destroyed don't really hate "Sandy", but are shaking their fist at the heavens, they just happen to have a can of spray paint in their hand at the time and the shaking coincidentally follows the path of letters resembling "Sandy")
the authors of the video suggest that the anger these people feel shouldn't be directed at innocents named Ivan, Andrew, Sandy, Katrina, etc but at the real people who are really responsible, namely (hard to avoid that one, really) the politicians, Issa, Boehner, Broun, etc.
the authors suggest that the politicians are responsible by obstructing progress on legislative efforts to slow anthropogenic climate change

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tl;dr

don't be mad at Sandy, be mad at Boehner, Smith, Inhofe, et al

well alrighty then

Clod would you say I should be more abrasive, or less? Because I was thinking about nudging it up a notch, you know, it can be fun that way sometimes.

My toddler was distressed when a hurricane shared her name and people were saying how bad that hurricane was. She knew they weren't talking about her, but it still bothered her.

I'm not Clodfobble, but I'll give you my opinion.

Depends.

It depends on the situation, sometimes more abrasiveness is called for, sometimes not. What would you be hoping to accomplish? In general, I appreciate (among other things) your calmness, your mellowness, not your abrasiveness.

I dunno, I just feel like sometimes I stifle myself here. But that's good feedback, thanks.

You're welcome.

This is what I think most of the time when I'm here.

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ps, you should really click on the link for the full effect.

I dunno, I think you should be you. I don't think you should stifle yourself, for sure. I have seen you, and all regulars including myself, go through moods that have sometimes not just been daily but months- or years-long phases. No one on the planet is the same person they were ten years ago. It might be harder to remember that here, where we don't necessarily have the visual picture of aging constantly reminding us, but we all change nonetheless. And that's cool--less abrasive this year, more abrasive next year, it's all still part of you and your story. I do think most people view the community as a whole when deciding whether to stick around, there's not some extra responsibility on you to be a consummate host. Be whoever you feel like being today.

Big mistake, trying to plan your act in advance, don't try to gage your response. Go with the gut, and I think you'll give appropriate to what you get most of the time. But if it isn't, well fuck it, that's the way of the world.

Mexico is getting hit on the west coast by Tropical Storm Manual and on the east coast by Hurricane Ingrid. It does rain in Mexico.

I guess I'll have to go now.

Do you really need a shower that badly?

[james]I've never really been...[/taylor]

A near zero hurricane Karen (similar to near zero SuperStorm Sandy) is approaching the New Orleans region. Since everything that should not be there was removed some years ago, this storm will do damage equivalent to what Sandy should have done. Or were the richest among us permitted to build where nothing should be built?

This Old House last week was at the Jersey Shore where blocks of houses were destroyed. They were talking to all these people who were rebuilding but the main floor was raised 10 ft so they'll "never have to worry again".

That made me think of William Jeanes and his wife during Katrina.

"Never have to worry again."

One friend is planning a reconstruction. FEMA maps suddenly suggested he may have to add one or two cinder blocks to the foundation.

In Ocean City NJ, some homes were temporarily sbout 15 feet this summer so that a new foundation can be constructed underneath. One house just down the street from another friend was raised so that five cinder blocks (almost four feet) were added to that foundation. Many new businesses are now advertising house razing.

As for blocks of damage, only place I saw anywhere near that much damage is Mantoloking. Where a street leaving that barrier island was only about two feet above high tide. Where maybe 20 miles of Barnegat Bay needed a new inlet to drain the entire northern half of that bay, the Metedeconk River and other inland tributaries. And where McMansion owners are fighting Gov Christie's demand for building sand dunes.

They want their expensive homes as close as possible to the ocean. Then want you to sympathize when their McMansions are damaged by a near zero hurricane.

They had aerial footage of lots of destroyed homes, and testimony from homeowners who returned to find their houses not where they were... or gone.

The three they are focusing on the rebuild, in Bay Head, Point Pleasant, and Manasquan, were flooded but not destroyed. Hey their show is about rehabbing old houses, not building new. :haha:

Plenty of tropical storms. But they keep going in the wrong direction. Another one would rather head for England. Tropical Storm Melissa just formed in the Atlantic east of Bermuda. Hurricane season has 12 more days.