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henry quirk 06-05-2013 09:14 AM

pithy codification
 
I don't spend a lot of time codifying principles to transmit to the six-year old Great BEAST of the Apocalypse but three I repeat often...


-Make do with what you got.

Example: the toy in your hand is pretty much the same as the new and improved model advertised on the TV...make do with what you got, BEAST!


-Be patient.

Example: yes, we're goin' to the park, but not for another hour...be patient, BEAST!


-Don't overcomplicate it.

Example: no, you don't need the hand-truck to move one, empty, box...don't overcomplicate it, BEAST!


The above three are, it seems, codifications bubbling up from natural circumstances that happen often with me and the BEAST.

Any of you parents/caretakers have similar, naturally occurring, codifications, peculiar to your circumstances?

Lamplighter 06-05-2013 09:25 AM

No one said "Life is Fair"

henry quirk 06-05-2013 09:32 AM

'life is not fair'
 
Yeah, that's a good one...the BEAST seems to have a natural handle on that one so I don't have to say it much (not like the three listed above, anyway).

glatt 06-05-2013 10:15 AM

Don't leave clutter where you might trip over it. Seriously. It's lazy and dangerous. Especially get that crap off the stairs. BEAST!

not pithy enough?

jimhelm 06-05-2013 11:24 AM

Keep your attention in the present moment. BREAST!

henry quirk 06-05-2013 11:29 AM

Glatt,

I'd say, pick up your mess, BEAST!


Jim,

I'd say, pay attention, BEAST (or, pay attention to the BREAST!)!

monster 06-05-2013 10:36 PM

What exactly are you trying to achieve?

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 867153)
I don't spend a lot of time codifying principles to transmit to the six-year old Great BEAST of the Apocalypse but three I repeat often...


-Make do with what you got.

Example: the toy in your hand is pretty much the same as the new and improved model advertised on the TV...make do with what you got, BEAST!

What can we do to make what you have even better than the "new and improved" version you (don't) see on TV (because we hippies don't watch shit like that)?


Quote:

-Be patient.

Example: yes, we're goin' to the park, but not for another hour...be patient, BEAST!

"this is what we have to do before we go to the park. it's going to be a while -would you like to make a checklist of the shit we have to get done first/why don't you get lost in a book and we can set an alarm so you know when it's time to stop reading and go."

Quote:

-Don't overcomplicate it.

Example: no, you don't need the hand-truck to move one, empty, box...don't overcomplicate it, BEAST!

using the handtruck is fun. Is it hurting anyone? BE PATIENT, guardian ;)

Quote:

The above three are, it seems, codifications bubbling up from natural circumstances that happen often with me and the BEAST.

Any of you parents/caretakers have similar, naturally occurring, codifications, peculiar to your circumstances?
Life isn't fair is the only one you need.

Other than that, you need tenets for guardians, not kids.

1) Chill FFS. You were a kid once, you made it, it can't be all that hard
2) They learn nothing if you tell the what to do and/or how to do it ...unless they ask

glatt 06-06-2013 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 867186)
2) They learn nothing if you tell the what to do and/or how to do it ...unless they ask

I struggle with this one.

henry quirk 06-06-2013 08:52 AM

"What exactly are you trying to achieve?"

Conversation rather than debate (for a change).

Sure as shit wasn't lookin' for a lecture.

*shrug*

infinite monkey 06-06-2013 10:01 AM

That's what I thought too.

You should've started a thread about having blue stripes on pink submarines and how that made you feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel. Or something equally boring as shit.

It's getting so I can't even hate the world in peace. :right:

henry quirk 06-06-2013 10:11 AM

"...blue stripes on pink submarines and how that made you feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel..."

HA!

Clodfobble 06-06-2013 11:52 AM

"Fair means everyone gets what's appropriate, not everyone gets the same thing."

"You have to tell your side of the story calmly, or no one will listen."

Ocean's Edge 06-06-2013 12:09 PM

"Our goal as a parent is to give life to our children's learning--to instruct, to teach, to help them develop self-discipline--an o rdering of the self from the inside, not imposition from the outside. Any technique that does not give life to a child's learning and leave a child's dignity intact cannot be called discipline--it is punishment, no matter what language it is clothed in."

Barbara Coloroso
(the only parenting advice I ever give or recommend)


henry quirk 06-06-2013 12:20 PM

Clod,

I philosophically disagree with the *first, but the second is nice...I'd say, 'calm down, use your words'.


Ocean,

The quote is good...if I were talkin' to myself (in a mirror), I'd say, 'don't cut the brush for him, teach the BEAST how to use the machete, then hand it over to him'.









*'fair' is a rainbow...pretty and inspiring, but just light and mist...dazzles the eye, wets the skin and then it's over

Ocean's Edge 06-06-2013 12:23 PM

age appropriately of course

*grins* 6 yr olds and machetes could be a bad choice - falls under the "illegal, immoral, or dangerous" categories of parental intervention, depending on the child's skill levels

henry quirk 06-06-2013 01:02 PM

Well, in the case of...

'don't cut the brush for him, teach the BEAST how to use the machete, then hand it over to him'

...that would be a metaphorical sumthin' I’d say to 'me'.

Clodfobble 06-06-2013 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk
I'd say, 'calm down, use your words'.

Ah, but the lesson goes deeper than that. It's not about using words, it's about how the words are delivered. It doesn't matter if you are right and the other guy is wrong, if your delivery is off-putting, and his is not, no one will listen to you. (This is, however, a lesson you are not always well-versed in yourself, so I'm not surprised it wasn't the first interpretation your mind leapt to. ;))

henry quirk 06-06-2013 01:11 PM

"the lesson goes deeper than that"

Yeah, I get that...so will he (once he gets beyond six years of age).

Right now: gotta go with what works.

#

"This is, however, a lesson you are not always well-versed in yourself"

Nice.

:neutral:

BigV 06-06-2013 01:14 PM

hq, what do you mean when you use the word "BEAST" in these posts?

henry quirk 06-06-2013 01:18 PM

The BEAST is my nephew (also known as Monkey, Sir Monka-Monk, and the Monkey King).

I live with him...I'm one of his caretakers.

glatt 06-06-2013 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 867292)
also known as Monkey, Sir Monka-Monk, and the Monkey King.

Funny.

We referred to our as "the chicken" when she was an infant. Just like the logic question about crossing the stream with the grain, the fox, and the chicken. You pretty much always have to have the chicken with you.

infinite monkey 06-06-2013 01:41 PM

that's great!

"honey, can you pick up the chicken on the way home?" :)

infinite monkey 06-06-2013 01:57 PM

sigh.

i think an uncle who steps up to the plate is admirable.

perhaps this isn't the thread for personal jabs...they seem rooted in insecurity when placed here.

but i'm angry at the world so anything i post should be taken with grains of salt.

monster 06-06-2013 02:26 PM

Sorry mybad for not following your rules and expectations. oh and fuck you, quenry.

infinite monkey 06-06-2013 02:37 PM

So...I'm not a parent, but i will say that my brothers and their spouses are damn good ones.

what my dad told me: hey, they can kill you, but they can't eat you.

mom was more subtle, but besides the joking that i could marry a rich guy as easily as i could a poor one (knowing i'm a sucker for starving artist types) she mostly was pithy about independence and self-sufficiency. And she learned those values from my grandma.

henry quirk 06-06-2013 03:51 PM

"Sorry mybad for not following your rules and expectations."

Hey, no worries...wouldn’t want you to have a stroke about it.

#

"oh and fuck you, quenry."

That's 'Henry', you silly cunt.

henry quirk 06-06-2013 03:52 PM

"the chicken"

HA!

I like that... ;)

henry quirk 06-06-2013 03:52 PM

Hey, IM,

Save your energy for the folks who matter... ;)

greenlief 07-03-2013 04:34 PM

Henry, if you are the same person who used to post online about Stirner under the email address [emaildeleted], could you please contact me at: [emaildeleted] when you get a chance?

henry quirk 07-11-2013 12:53 PM

greenlief
 
As you can: check yer g-box.


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