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Undertoad 10-15-2012 04:22 PM

Schizophrenia
 
Compelling but ultimately sad. I wish I could help this person. :thepain:

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cpg/3339319924.html

Ibby 10-15-2012 04:29 PM

For fifty bucks, you bet i'm an expert - or will be one really quick!
(answer: no, none of that's possible, sorry mate. cheers, though. hope it works out. say hi to the cia for me)

orthodoc 10-15-2012 05:03 PM

Remarkably organized delusional system. As you say, very sad. You don't usually see this degree of coherence, preserved logic, and organization with schizophrenia. It's possible, though. Very sad.

jimhelm 10-15-2012 05:26 PM

pics or GTFO

ZenGum 10-15-2012 06:19 PM

:tinfoil:

Aliantha 10-15-2012 06:41 PM

I'm sure it's a joke. I don't buy that someone really wants to ask those questions. Someone just got bored (or possibly drunk with mates) and decided to see if there are any REAL crack pots out there. ;)

JBKlyde 10-15-2012 07:02 PM

I'm doing a study at usf in which case they are taking me off of "ONE" not sure which of my meds to study the withdraw symptoms. Every time I have gone off my meds to test for myself If I have "some sort of gift" vs some delususinal problem I have ended either in the hopital or jail.. so none the less I have learned my lesson the hard way... however there are times when I can see "this persons" concerns come to light. For instance I had a "vision" once where I heard "Barck Obama" say to me "The Children" and then on the left side of my forhead I heard and felt what seemed to be a "check out counter" BLEEP. It's a fun yet scarry illness..

jimhelm 10-15-2012 07:17 PM

that's the kind of thing I'd like to hear more about JBK. fun illness? fun/funny in retrospect? or while it's going on?

Clodfobble 10-15-2012 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBKlyde
I'm doing a study at usf in which case they are taking me off of "ONE" not sure which of my meds to study the withdraw symptoms. Every time I have gone off my meds to test for myself If I have "some sort of gift" vs some delususinal problem I have ended either in the hopital or jail..

Are you inpatient for the duration of this study? Because that sounds like a very dangerous study to participate in, if you already know what is probably going to happen to you...

ZenGum 10-15-2012 07:19 PM

Yeah, I'm wondering about the ethics and safety of that research.

BigV 10-15-2012 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 834316)
Compelling but ultimately sad. I wish I could help this person. :thepain:

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cpg/3339319924.html

Craigslist has "gigs" of type "computer"?! That is completely awesome! Thanks Undertoad!

ZenGum 10-16-2012 12:11 AM

What are the odds the ad was posted by a CIA front organisation as a means of identifying - prior to eliminating - every one in the country with knowledge of the new brain-chipping plan, or the knowledge to speak out about it?

... 'cause, like, you know, the is a secret government agency whose job is to create ridiculous conspiracy theories so that when people hear the true conspiracy facts they dismiss them as paranoia.


Have you any idea how hard it is to hang wine-corks from a tinfoil hat?

orthodoc 10-16-2012 12:44 AM

They're actually trying to identify Aussies who're wise to their new scheme ... :runaway:

Ibby 10-16-2012 02:31 AM

for posterity's sake i'm gonna quote the post here so it doesnt disappear when craigslist takes the post down...
Quote:

I am looking for someone who is an expert on brain/computer interface chips and micro-electrodes. Must have a background in neuroscience and be aware of the latest cutting edge research and applications of these devices. I am asking to spend one hour with you for coffee while I ask you a number of questions about this field. You should know things like:

Where in the body would these have to be placed in order to have full control over a human and all their neurons and vision and hearing?
Could there be some way they can evade detection from a CT scan or MRI? If so, how?
What type of surgical procedure would be required to put these into a person's body or take them out? Is it something that can be done through the nose or ears with minimal invasive incisions?
Could a set of electrodes placed to connect with the aural nerve discern content of a person's thought by "hearing" the short phrases we say to ourselves in our inner dialogue?
How far advanced is the CIA's use of this technology likely to be given the applications of these devices that are not covert and known publicly?

I will ask you these questions along with a number of other questions in a one hour chat over coffee. I will pay you $50 for the hour.

It would help also if you can read a brain MRI film, or know somebody who can.

Must be able to think creatively and extrapolate what is known about how these devices can work, to what their capabilities might be in 5 years (or 5 years worth of advanced behind the scenes closed-door research.)

Please briefly answer parts of the above questions to demonstrate your knowledge of these devices before we meet.

Spexxvet 10-16-2012 08:13 AM

Isn't Jeffery Dahmer dead?

Gravdigr 10-16-2012 11:38 AM

You could fuck with that guy soooooo bad....

Meet up and tell him all the things he doesn't want to hear.

xoxoxoBruce 10-16-2012 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet (Post 834386)
Isn't Jeffery Dahmer dead?

No, no, no, no, He's outside looking in. :haha:

JBKlyde 10-16-2012 02:53 PM

well it's the "Boley Program" who refered me to the study and it's my original doctor who put me on the meds who is conducting the study.. if I start going nuts I will go back on the meds.. not quite sure if it's smart to take me off the meds but I am willing with all the safe guards in place..

Undertoad 10-16-2012 04:01 PM

The docs are getting smarter and smarter at this sort of thing. Someday they will have it completely figured out. Stay strong JB.

Trilby 10-17-2012 10:56 AM

I firmly believe that one day they will cure alcoholism and alcoholics will be able to drink like normal people. Same deal with schizophrenia. They'll be able to identify the thing that makes it happen and zap it dead.

infinite monkey 10-17-2012 11:02 AM

They don't cure nothing.
Same diseases been hanging out
since l was a kid, man.
What's the last shit a doctor cured? Polio.
You know how long ago polio was?
That's like the first season of Lucy.
Shit, Fred had an Afro with finger waves!
Have you ever met anybody with polio?

The same diseases been hanging out
since l was a kid:
AlDS, sickle cell, tuberculosis, cancer,
Jerry's kids still limping around.

They ain't curing it,
'cause there ain't no money in the cure.
The money's in the medicine.
That's how you get paid, on the comeback.
That's how a drug dealer makes his money,
on the comeback.


--Chris Rock

Trilby 10-17-2012 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 834645)
They don't cure nothing.
Same diseases been hanging out
since l was a kid, man.
What's the last shit a doctor cured? Polio.
You know how long ago polio was?
That's like the first season of Lucy.
Shit, Fred had an Afro with finger waves!
Have you ever met anybody with polio?

The same diseases been hanging out
since l was a kid:
AlDS, sickle cell, tuberculosis, cancer,
Jerry's kids still limping around.

They ain't curing it,
'cause there ain't no money in the cure.
The money's in the medicine.
That's how you get paid, on the comeback.
That's how a drug dealer makes his money,
on the comeback.


--Chris Rock

I agree 100% . But there ARE people who ARE good who ARE trying. the fact that they're being discredited and repressed doesn't mean someday rainbows won't come flying out someone's ass and something will get cured.

glatt 10-17-2012 01:14 PM

The most interesting and hopeful thing I've heard of lately (maybe I heard it here on the Cellar) is the doctors who had discovered how to culture cancer cells from a person with cancer.

The hope is that once this technique becomes perfected and widely available, they can get a sample from a tumor, grow more of it, so there are a hundred petri dishes full of this cancer, and then apply various chemo to the different dishes to see which kind of chemo is most effective for that particular tumor. Then the jump straight to that particular chemo, rather than just guessing and wasting time.

You read about these studies and the reporters all make it sound like its a huge breakthrough that will change everything, but they use words like "may," and "could," "promising," and "hope" but I was really encouraged when I read this news because it seems like a whole new approach. I hope it's implemented widely soon.

orthodoc 10-17-2012 03:52 PM

Smallpox. 1980 (last naturallly-occurring case was 1977). Eradicated after a multi-national effort overseen by the WHO.

Polio, on the other hand, has NOT been eradicated, contrary to what Genius Chris Rock says. The WHO has been trying hard to achieve that, but there are pockets of it left, particularly in northern Nigeria. The population there checked out anti-vaccination sites on the internet and decided the CIA is trying to sterilize them all through vaccination programs. Yes, the CIA used a phony vaccination program in its efforts to locate Bin Laden. The moron who dreamed that scheme up should have to personally care for children dying of polio.

Some diseases, like cholera, won't ever be eradicated because there's a huge natural reservoir where the bug can live forever (seawater, essentially).

And then there are the multifactorial diseases that are related to environment, diet, lifestyle, genetics, and who knows what else, and no, they haven't all been eradicated. Not for want of trying.

Sure, big pharma's in it for the money. But 'they', the 'they' who are honestly trying to find cures and relieve suffering, deserve a major apology from Rock.
What an asshole. An ignorant one at that.

JBKlyde 10-17-2012 06:44 PM

small pox.. that got cured didn't it...

orthodoc 10-17-2012 06:49 PM

Yes, it did - eradicated, that is to say. Hopefully the first of many, but it's not as easy as Chris Rock thinks.

infinite monkey 10-17-2012 07:21 PM

Yeah, um...that was a routine from 1999. And it was a comedy routine, with a point that time (note strides made in aids treatment in 13 years.)

Tough room. :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by orthodoc (Post 834673)
Smallpox. 1980 (last naturallly-occurring case was 1977). Eradicated after a multi-national effort overseen by the WHO.

Polio, on the other hand, has NOT been eradicated, contrary to what Genius Chris Rock says. The WHO has been trying hard to achieve that, but there are pockets of it left, particularly in northern Nigeria. The population there checked out anti-vaccination sites on the internet and decided the CIA is trying to sterilize them all through vaccination programs. Yes, the CIA used a phony vaccination program in its efforts to locate Bin Laden. The moron who dreamed that scheme up should have to personally care for children dying of polio.

Some diseases, like cholera, won't ever be eradicated because there's a huge natural reservoir where the bug can live forever (seawater, essentially).

And then there are the multifactorial diseases that are related to environment, diet, lifestyle, genetics, and who knows what else, and no, they haven't all been eradicated. Not for want of trying.

Sure, big pharma's in it for the money. But 'they', the 'they' who are honestly trying to find cures and relieve suffering, deserve a major apology from Rock.
What an asshole. An ignorant one at that.


orthodoc 10-17-2012 07:35 PM

I know it was a comedy routine, thought about giving him a pass on it, but if you read the whole thing it's just one big insult to people who don't deserve it. The folks who're really trying, not pharma. And then he didn't bother (or his writers didn't bother) to check facts ... :right:

yeah, tough room ;)

infinite monkey 10-17-2012 07:45 PM

We'll be here all week, folks. Try the hemlock. :)

Trilby 10-18-2012 07:31 AM

I know a lot of good people who are TRYING. And a lot of good people tried then died and no one acknowledged their work - like Linus Pauling. Yes, there is good work out there. Yes, it IS being suppressed or discredited.

You make your picks and you takes your chances. Everybody has to be their own advocate and when you're sick, it's damn hard to do.

infinite monkey 10-18-2012 08:06 AM

Absolutely. We've been witness to strides they are making in treating TBI, for example.

Big Sarge 10-18-2012 04:47 PM

i wish they would make more advances in ptsd. all the va seems to want to do is give you additional meds.

ZenGum 10-18-2012 06:57 PM

And they're not even very good at that. :right:

Big Sarge 10-18-2012 11:04 PM

you are so right! i had to pay over $400 out of pocket because they can't mail them on schedule

BigV 10-18-2012 11:07 PM

Of course he's right--he's a Doctor!

Clodfobble 10-18-2012 11:16 PM

You know what they call the guy who graduated last in his class in medical school?




"Doctor."


FYI, its a bad idea to tell that joke in a doctor's office. Just sayin'.

Trilby 10-19-2012 06:18 AM

I tell every undecided kind-hearted compassionate kid I see that the jobs future is gonna be in PTSD counselling. I told this wonderful LPN to get the hell out of the nursing home, get her mental health tech degree (2 years) and go counsel vets. That's the job that's going to be needed. PTSD, substance abuse and general counseling for vets.

It's also a bad idea to tell a doctor that you are an RN. I NEVER tell them that but when I go to the doc/hosp. with my mom (which is happening more and more often) my dad always tells the doc and I cringe b/c I don't want the doc getting all hostile and defensive. I don't know why he does it - he's never been proud of anything I've ever done anyway. It's a weird sort of reverse torture.

ZenGum 10-19-2012 06:57 AM

Quote:

That's the job that's going to be needed.
needed, yes, but funded?

Trilby 10-19-2012 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 834887)
needed, yes, but funded?

They're going to have to out of complete embarrassment; not compassion and caring. So many suicides, substance abusers, wife-beaters/murders, they'll have to do something. THEY put those people there for ten years...they're going to have to do it.

Big Sarge 10-21-2012 01:02 AM

PTSD is a major issue for us. In fact we had a suicide standown that required all soldiers in my Brigade to attend briefings and take assessments. It is so sad that my unit has been home for 2 years and our suicides are increasing. It seems to be the multiple deployments in a non-linear war coupled with soldiers returning home to no jobs and so many divorces. BTW, do you realize the average soldier has more combat time than most WW II vets? Of course I'm not taking anything away from those vets because I truly believe they saved the world from horrible oppression.

I guess I ramble.......

limey 10-21-2012 05:31 AM

No you don't, Sarge
You make good, but sad, points.

Sent by thought transference.

Griff 10-21-2012 08:12 AM

I've been thinking about this in comparison to my Uncle's Vietnam experience. He and his buddies returned to a country where blowing off steam seemed a little more possible. Street / track racing, drinking, and fighting in rural / suburban America provided necessary if inappropriate outlets that are far more scrutinized today in our hyper-security state. They got next to no services from the VA, which I hope doesn't happen again, but we always have more money for starting wars than cleaning up after them. I hope our next President keeps that in mind, hopefully Romney's bellicosity is for style more than substance as described here.

infinite monkey 10-21-2012 10:52 AM

Our veteran"s benefits office is like a different separate part of our office. I was pleased to hear the ideas of a candidate for a new vp (we were invited to hear him talk about his experience and ideas) to extend it into a veteran's services office that has all kinds of resources for veterans. From something as simple as a place for them to hang out, use the computers, talk to each other...to counseling services and advocacy. I would really like to see that need met.


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