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CaliforniaMama 06-25-2012 11:44 AM

June 25, 2012 - A Penny for your Thoughts
 
http://cellar.org/2012/Penny-Tile-Floor.png


From Floor and Decor.

Here's another image showing it being laid out.

ToastyOhs 06-25-2012 12:02 PM

Find a penny pick it up...

This might take a while.

Sheldonrs 06-25-2012 12:51 PM

It's common cents.

CaliforniaMama 06-26-2012 09:23 AM

Oh, yeah: Thanks classicman.

I couldn't get your original image to copy as an image. It says it's a part of a video.

classicman 06-26-2012 09:33 AM

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no prob.. here ya go.

classicman 06-26-2012 09:34 AM

Hey Kerosene - Does that father in the pic look like anyone you know?

Probably not to you, but I did a double-take when I first saw it on my news feed.

classicman 06-26-2012 09:36 AM

Another fun fact, math nerds please verify....
I read that the cost per sq ft. was $2.58 in pennies.
GO!

Lamplighter 06-26-2012 10:38 AM

The diameter of a US penny is 0.750 inches, so it's area is 0.4415 sq in.
A 1x1 ft square has an area of 144 sq in.

The pattern for maximum packing of US pennies in a 1x1 ft square
is left as a simple mind-exercise for the Reader... :rolleyes:










Mathematics
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Is there a simple equation that can be used to show how many circles of radius (r)
can be packed into the rectangle (l x w), in the optimal way? So that no circles overlap.
(r is less than both l and w).

...And it seems the answer is "we don't really know" :)

BigV 06-26-2012 10:41 AM

I would ask why you insist on packing a square foot of pennies in a shape that is a square? To my mind, a square foot of pennies could be much more reasonably accommodated in a hexagon.

Lamplighter 06-26-2012 10:44 AM

because your parents were honeybees ?

BigV 06-26-2012 10:46 AM

because circles pack well in hexagons

infinite monkey 06-26-2012 10:47 AM

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Maybe he grew up in Hex House.

BigV 06-26-2012 10:49 AM

Oh, bee hive!

infinite monkey 06-26-2012 10:53 AM

Squashing my buzz. :mad:

Perry Winkle 06-26-2012 10:54 AM

I want a DIY guide. How do you seal those down? We have wood laminate floors now, could you do it on top of that?

infinite monkey 06-26-2012 10:58 AM

http://www.interiorholic.com/decorat...r-penny-floor/

Diaphone Jim 06-26-2012 11:17 AM

http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=20604

and I'll raise

http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=23711

classicman 06-26-2012 11:31 AM

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For blueboy in D-Jim's link from 2009 ... better late than never

infinite monkey 06-26-2012 11:33 AM

I have a few wheat pennies. I love wheat pennies and separate them whenever I see one. But not nearly enough for a cool project like that! Then again, you kind of want to see the front and back of wheat pennies.

Lamplighter 06-26-2012 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 817014)
because circles pack well in hexagons

V, I was trying to be facetious... :rolleyes:

I agree a single circle packs very efficiently in a single hexagon.
But unless the floor is a hexagon of exactly the right size for US pennies,
the problem changes to one of optimal packing hexagons.

I assumed a regular shape of a rectangle or square.

Erich's packing center
Packing Equal Copies
Attachment 39268

Unit circles in a square

Attachment 39270

Unit circles in a hexagon
Attachment 39269

So without changing the size and/or shape of the floor to accomodate the US penny,
the optimal packing pattern may more difficult/impossible to find.

classicman 06-26-2012 12:28 PM

You are going to be right against two walls and within the diameter of a penny from the other two. Thats what trim is for.
So back to my original question how many pennies fit in a 12"x12" space?

Lamplighter 06-26-2012 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 817054)
You are going to be right against two walls and within the diameter of a penny from the other two. Thats what trim is for.
So back to my original question how many pennies fit in a 12"x12" space?

Technically, I think you have changed the problem, but...
The simplest pattern to visualize is this:

Attachment 39274

If pennies are 0.75 inches in diameter, this pattern would hold 16 per linear foot.
16 x 16 = 256, or $2.56/sq ft.

But the pattern used in the OP was different, and more efficient.
So if you change the pattern towards a more "optimum" packing,
(or towards maximum number that will fit in a square foot)
the number or cost, obviously, would be higher.

The difficulty in calculating the optimum packing comes in selecting repeating "tiles" that fit the specific area efficiently.
Just as BigV said earlier. Circles fit hexagons very efficiently, but hexagons don't fit squares efficiently at the edges.

classicman 06-26-2012 02:50 PM

so the figure I read was relatively accurate. thanks.
I believe that amount would give one a good idea of the cost to cover their floor
... within a few pennies anyway.

infinite monkey 06-26-2012 03:09 PM

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•Some sources indicate that the amount of pennies, but of course it might vary. One source said it took about $7.50 in pennies per square foot. So that’s quite a lot of pennies, but is still cheaper than making a customized flooring professionally. But of course it depends of the size of your floor, and your penny spacing.
From mah link up thar. Don't know how it's relevant or not relevant 'cause I barely read a damn word any of ya said about cost and pennies per square foot. :lol:

classicman 06-26-2012 03:51 PM

lol - thats what made me post my original question. :p:
I think that number actually refers to the TOTAL cost per sq ft, but was written incorrectly.

kerosene 07-03-2012 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 816985)
Hey Kerosene - Does that father in the pic look like anyone you know?

Probably not to you, but I did a double-take when I first saw it on my news feed.

Hmm...a little like my husband, I suppose lol...I wish he was make me a floor like that!

classicman 07-05-2012 12:58 AM

:)
Actually now that I saw some more pics of him on FB - not as much as I thought. :/


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