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monster 12-26-2011 11:56 PM

Bad Manners
 
Talking with food in your mouth
Chewing with your mouth open
Elbows on the table during dinner
Pointing
Interrupting a conversation
Talking about money -stock market excluded
Talking about your charity -other than inviting other to a benefit you are hosting or a project you are undertaking
Assuming religious beliefs in conversation
Taking a phone call in the middle of a conversation
Ditto texts
Turning on the TV without checking with other in the room
Ditto changing channel
No eye contact in conversation

and this:


feel free to add :)

sexobon 12-27-2011 12:18 AM

not editing

sexobon 12-27-2011 12:19 AM

when indicated

Griff 12-27-2011 08:15 AM

texting at table and other tech interfacing when in human company

Sundae 12-27-2011 04:05 PM

Pointing I'm not sure about.
If asked where the pharmacy is in the store, I will point as well as direct verbally (if there is a queue I cannot leave my till).
Pointing may mean something different to you.

Rhianne 12-27-2011 04:10 PM

Treating people differently according to their (perceived) social status.

Gravdigr 12-27-2011 04:45 PM

What she said.

I would add: Treating people differently according to their (perceived) intelligence.

And:

Ignoring people.

jimhelm 12-27-2011 04:51 PM

whatever


I deal with bad manners all damn day. Guys walk into my office talking... like they begin before they actually enter the room.... and you can't see if there's someone at my desk, or if I'm on the phone...

And this one fucker.... he always uses my stapler... which I keep to my left... and just leaves it out in the middle of the desk when he's done...

I think I'll go punch him in the kidney right now, unprovoked.

HungLikeJesus 12-27-2011 05:00 PM

I was in the book store yesterday and there was a guy with a big round belly. I had a strong urge to rub his belly for luck, but not everyone has good manners so I wasn't sure how he would react.

jimhelm 12-27-2011 05:06 PM

He might have french kissed you.

Griff 12-27-2011 05:09 PM

freedom kissed

jimhelm 12-27-2011 05:10 PM

lol

regular.joe 12-28-2011 09:31 AM

I consider it quite rude for people to shoot at me just because I'm walking around their country carrying two weapons and around 360 rounds of ammo on my person. Oh, and Jim I'd love to come up and take care of that stapler guy. Is your stapler purple by chance?

infinite monkey 12-28-2011 09:52 AM

Eating while being waited on at the desk.

Eating while walking (unless you're at, like, the county fair...sit down for a second and eat.)

Really, any eating I have to witness or listen to. It's gross.

Spitting on the sidewalk (why do I want to walk through your goo?)

Not holding the door for someone close behind you.

Not participating in the bob and weave of passing someone who is walking the same path as you but in the opposite direction. Oh, yeah, I don't get out of their way when they play that superiority game. They make no move to move, I make no move to move. If we bump, I wait to see their reaction. If it's accusatory, I have words for them. Have some respect and be aware that others live on the planet and in reality are NOT beneath you, not by a long shot.

Leaving Wendy's and turning the impossible left turn, but taking up the left and right lanes to do it, so no one can make a right. This holds for intersections and such, too. Oblivious and stupid? Or rude and uncaring? Both, probably.

monster 12-28-2011 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 783230)
Ignoring people.

Interesting idea, seeing as the most polite way to deal with unpleasant, irritating and rude behaviour is usually to ignore it. :)


The Cellar would be untenable if some people didn't have the ability to ignore others :2cents:

monster 12-28-2011 10:04 AM

Refusal to wait in line/queue -pushing to the front. Especially the people who do this when there is very clearly a line

Being stinky in public. Some people can't help it/have medical problems, I know, but really, it can't be as many as I've encountered over the last few days. Did Santa stop giving out deodorant and soap?

Lola Bunny 12-28-2011 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 783230)

Ignoring people.

Only Gravdigr can fully explain what he means, but to me, I thought he meant someone totally ignoring someone else asking you a question is rude. If someone is not being unpleasant, has irritating and rude behavior, then it's rude to ignore him/her. Well, just my interpretation.

Lola Bunny 12-28-2011 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regular.joe (Post 783321)
I consider it quite rude for people to shoot at me just because I'm walking around their country carrying two weapons and around 360 rounds of ammo on my person. Oh, and Jim I'd love to come up and take care of that stapler guy. Is your stapler purple by chance?

I agree. That is extremely rude. :p:

classicman 12-28-2011 11:40 AM

Salespeople who answer the phone while you are right in front of them interacting on a purchase.
Buh bye. You will NOT get my business.

classicman 12-28-2011 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regular.joe (Post 783321)
Oh, and Jim I'd love to come up and take care of that stapler guy. Is your stapler purple by chance?

I got a few peeps as well ... Is there a group discount?

regular.joe 12-28-2011 11:49 AM

You pay for the gas, I'll take the heat. I can blame it all on PTSD.

Nirvana 12-28-2011 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimhelm (Post 783232)
whatever



And this one fucker.... he always uses my stapler... which I keep to my left... and just leaves it out in the middle of the desk when he's done...

I think I'll go punch him in the kidney right now, unprovoked.

Take all the staples out of that stapler and use it as a desk ornament until "fucker" makes a habit of going elsewhere and hide another stapler for your use. Not as permanent as a kidney punch... ;)

Nirvana 12-28-2011 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 783330)
Refusal to wait in line/queue -pushing to the front. Especially the people who do this when there is very clearly a line

Being stinky in public. Some people can't help it/have medical problems, I know, but really, it can't be as many as I've encountered over the last few days. Did Santa stop giving out deodorant and soap?

I thought you did not shop at Wal Mat? :eyebrow:

infinite monkey 12-28-2011 12:10 PM

Orphaning AND ignoring.

monster 12-28-2011 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirvana (Post 783357)
I thought you did not shop at Wal Mat? :eyebrow:

Why would you think that?

monster 12-28-2011 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 783358)
Orphaning AND ignoring.

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Sundae 12-28-2011 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 783120)
Pointing

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae (Post 783213)
Pointing I'm not sure about.
If asked where the pharmacy is in the store, I will point as well as direct verbally (if there is a queue I cannot leave my till).
Pointing may mean something different to you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 783230)
Ignoring people.

I'm with Grav. It hurts :(
Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 783325)
Eating while walking (unless you're at, like, the county fair...sit down for a second and eat.)

Nanny considered this rude too. It came to me via her and Mum.
I'm less strict about it now, but I do still suffer some discomfort if circumstances require me to eat on the move (including nowhere to sit and/ or time constraints). Our family exception is at the seaside, which I guess has the same flavour as a county fair.

Chips (fries), ice cream, hot dog, donuts in a bag etc.

monster 12-28-2011 02:38 PM

Sorry you feel ignored Sundae. I didn't feel that there was anything to add. Would it not be kind of crazy if everybody replied to every post even when they had nothing to say?

Sundae 12-28-2011 02:40 PM

I like crazy.
Although I am genuinely interested in how pointing can be rude.

monster 12-28-2011 02:43 PM

I was just brought up that it was, and so to me it is. Here's an example

http://www.essortment.com/social-etiquette-36808.html

For future reference, perhaps it would be more polite to ask specifically if further clarification is required, then one would not feel ignored if one did not get an answer to the question one did not actually ask :)

infinite monkey 12-28-2011 02:43 PM

Like "Hey guys my 3 year tormenter/thief/crazy fuckhead may be lurking right outside my house right now and all I have is a big knife but i'll try to kill him before he kills me" being met by "I had a chocolate hamburger for christmas and boy was it great" which is followed by thirteen pages about the fucking chocolate hamburger like "OMG I LOVE YOU FOR LOVING THE CHOCOLATE HAMBURGER YOU ARE SO AMAZING AND I AM PUTTING YOU IN THE HALL OF FAME NOW CAN I FUCK YOU AND WE'RE SO IN LOVE WITH YOU FOR LETTING US ALL KNOW ABOUT THE AMAZING CHOCOLATE HAMBURGER AND DID YOU KNOW YOU CAN MAKE HAMBURGERS FROM DEER MEAT IF YOU ADD PERSTOTINATUSITES, WHICH DEGRADE THE DEER INTO COW AND HERE IS A PICTURE OF A NAIL I FOUND ON THE GROUND IT'S REALLY AMAZING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S FROM 1998 WHICH IS REALLY RARE IN A NAIL..."

That kind of thing.

Except you, monster, you were kind enough to give a crap. :lol:

monster 12-28-2011 02:48 PM

I was? Must be slipping...... as you were.......

infinite monkey 12-28-2011 02:49 PM

I know.

I never worried it would permeate the rest of the place, so all is good, as you are.

Spexxvet 12-28-2011 02:54 PM

85% of all lightbulbs fail when they are sprayed with pepper spray.


You mean like that?

classicman 12-28-2011 03:54 PM

Zactly!

regular.joe 12-28-2011 05:11 PM

We have gone cross threaded.

Spexxvet 12-28-2011 07:00 PM

Quote:

Dr. Egon Spengler: There's something very important I forgot to tell you.
Dr. Peter Venkman: What?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Don't cross the THREADS.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Why?
Dr. Egon Spengler: It would be bad.
Dr. Peter Venkman: I'm fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing. What do you mean, "bad"?
Dr. Egon Spengler: Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
Dr Ray Stantz: Total protonic reversal.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Right. That's bad. Okay. All right. Important safety tip. Thanks, Egon

Aliantha 12-28-2011 08:51 PM

Bad manners is when your child is at a restaurant with you and is being a shithead and you don't either leave or at least stop the child from it's disruptive, inappropriate behaviour.

DucksNuts 12-29-2011 12:34 AM

Or when you are at the grocery store and your baby is crying because its tired/hungry/sick and you really need to get a few things and some old biddy body behind you is huffing and tsking because you cant stop your baby crying.

;)

Gravdigr 12-29-2011 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae (Post 783410)
...Although I am genuinely interested in how pointing can be rude.

Pointing, the child said "Hahahaha, look at that hunchback!"

Gravdigr 12-29-2011 03:18 AM

Pointing...that's a strange name for a child...

Aliantha 12-29-2011 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DucksNuts (Post 783503)
Or when you are at the grocery store and your baby is crying because its tired/hungry/sick and you really need to get a few things and some old biddy body behind you is huffing and tsking because you cant stop your baby crying.

;)

Nah, not just whining. That's not so bad. Most parents wouldn't go out to a place like that with a child who's just going to complain the whole time anyway. I'm talking about parents who take their kids to al la carte restaurants which are meant for adults (imo generally) and let them run around and do kiddy type things which, while they might be cute to the parents, can be seriously dangerous for wait staff, and seriously annoying to other diners. Particularly the ones who were considerate enough to get a baby sitter for their own sproglettes. ;)

sexobon 12-29-2011 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 783120)
... Pointing ...

:mock:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 783230)
...Treating people differently according to their (perceived) intelligence. ...

:wstupid:
Quote:

Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 783325)
...Really, any eating I have to witness or listen to. ...

:corn:

Clodfobble 12-29-2011 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus
I was in the book store yesterday and there was a guy with a big round belly. I had a strong urge to rub his belly for luck, but not everyone has good manners so I wasn't sure how he would react.

When you are pregnant, total strangers actually do come up and do this. It is fucking annoying.

HungLikeJesus 12-29-2011 09:13 AM

That's why you need a taser.

Sundae 12-29-2011 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 783564)
When you are pregnant, total strangers actually do come up and do this. It is fucking annoying.

When work colleagues are pregnant they think you want to touch the distended egg sac and feel it move.

No!
I never caressed you when you worked next to me, why would I want to now?

And then, because you are childless and have definite political views and talk about gender issues and deplore homophobia you are suddenly the unnatural one in the group!

BigV 12-29-2011 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 783570)
That's why you need a taser.

there are safer, more humane ways to induce labor you know.

Aliantha 12-29-2011 05:04 PM

In all the time I've been pregnant, which would be close to 30 months of my life, I don't think a stranger ever touched my belly, and even close friends and family asked first or waited for an invitation.

Maybe I send off a 'don't touch me' vibe irl too.

monster 12-29-2011 09:00 PM

Merkins are more invasive than Brits in this field, I've found. I guess Aussies probably have a different norm too. No-one ever asked to touch my belly in the UK, never mind try to do so without asking.

DucksNuts 12-30-2011 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 783529)
Nah, not just whining. That's not so bad. Most parents wouldn't go out to a place like that with a child who's just going to complain the whole time anyway. I'm talking about parents who take their kids to al la carte restaurants which are meant for adults (imo generally) and let them run around and do kiddy type things which, while they might be cute to the parents, can be seriously dangerous for wait staff, and seriously annoying to other diners. Particularly the ones who were considerate enough to get a baby sitter for their own sproglettes. ;)

I knew what you meant, luvly.

I am waaaaaay too uptight with the kids at restaurants that I didnt take them when they were younger.

Actually, Im pretty strict on them in public as a rule. I dont think other people should have to hear them fighting, bitching, whining or being otherwise annoying.

Im more tolerant of other peoples kids than mine, but I swear squealing kids do my head in. I will walk out rather than put up with a squealing kid.

I pinched Addison under the bicep one day because he thought squealing in public was fun, soon changed that squeal to a squalk and when people looked they didnt know what had happened :) he stopped pretty quickly.

Aliantha 12-30-2011 05:55 AM

Yeah, squealing gives me the shits too. lol

Sundae 12-30-2011 08:28 AM

I can deal with children from four upwards now.
I think I probably could before, but I found them harder to tune out.
Still fret about childer running amok - but now it's omreo worry that they'll come a cropper, rather than keeping my fingers crossed they'll trip up a waiter with a sizzling plate and get what they deserve.

It's the wordless wailing and repetition (usually associated with the Terrible Twos) and the randomn shrieks of those younger that still afflict me. Urgh. SHUT UP!

Mum says she and Dad didn't sit together in Mass for about four years thanks to me and my sister. One of them was always stationed close to the exit in case there was trouble. It was usually with me, squirming and talking and wriggling and crying when I wasn't allowed my own way. I was Godless even then it seems.

But chops to them for not wanting to drown out other people's communion with God.

limey 12-31-2011 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae (Post 783796)
... omreo ...

Keyboard trouble :eyebrow: ?

BigV 12-31-2011 12:30 PM

"more" or "more a"

monster 12-31-2011 02:44 PM

oreo. They might crush them if they trip.

it 01-01-2012 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 783120)
Talking about money -stock market excluded

wow... no talking about money? your not jewish are you...

seriously? price shifts? legal tax loopholes? extra profit sources? ways to save? ways for building credit ratings? heroic stories about how you got the bank manager to do his or her job?

you actually have a social convention against exchanging some of the most useful information any household need in order to make a saving?

i mean, i understand now why so many of my conversations when i lived in canada and the US made people feel uncomfortable, this does explain a lot...

but still seems really really redicules.

wait... so we exchange financial information with each other while avoiding it with others because they behave all uncomfortable... omg we really do have a conspirecy! why didn't i notice that?

DanaC 01-01-2012 07:13 AM

I think it's more contextual than that. Rather than a blanket rule.

Also, I don't know, but I suspect that this maybe slightly different in Britain.

@ Monster: have you noticed any difference in the way money is spoken about?

Griff 01-01-2012 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by traceur (Post 784259)
i mean, i understand now why so many of my conversations when i lived in canada and the US made people feel uncomfortable, this does explain a lot...

Dude, she's a Brit expat.

There are some conversations that do cross lines though, like bragging on screwing the rest of the population by hiding your mother's assets so she could go on the dole, to reference one "conversation" I sat through. There are folks so fascinated by money that it alters there every human interaction because they're always looking for an angle. Good advice is appreciated but a very rare commodity.

Sundae 01-01-2012 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by limey (Post 784081)
Keyboard trouble :eyebrow: ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV (Post 784088)
"more" or "more a"

Well translated there, sir!
I struggled to work it out myself.

it 01-01-2012 08:41 AM

here's a piece of contextual manners which most people here might not be able to relate to, and that is the required piece conversation that has to happen whenever two middle eastern immigrants from different countries interact in a 3rd country.

where are you from? [insert country]
o, and you? [insert country]
o its ok its just politics!
yea, [insert conflict between countries] is all the politician's fault!
ofcourse, its all the politicans! the people want peace!
I am pro peace too! always protested against the wars!
me too! my [insert far away relative] was in the resistence!
yea we're ok its just the politicans!
so... how much is the taxi fair to go downtown?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Griff (Post 784268)
There are folks so fascinated by money that it alters there every human interaction because they're always looking for an angle.

And that's why you don't talk to people in "network sales" or pyramid schemes... Ever. Not an Hello, nothing. If they are occuping the space in front of you in the supermarket and won't move to the side, you grunt loudly with a threatening tone.


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