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Bye Pam
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Thank you.
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It was the right thing.
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And that is why he is the boss and we are the underlings.
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It's like this: if someone truly wants to be a member of the community, we will tolerate their foibles, in the spirit of fellowship. I know you tolerate mine. But if someone wants to play games or test us for their own (sociopathic) reasons, we cannot tolerate that, as it kills that spirit.
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I had it on ignore.
It posted a genuine reaction to my Grandad's death, so I felt I couldn't rage against it. But it was wrong from the outset. It must have been a troll, surely. I hope so anyway. Someone is getting a lickle twisted laugh from this. |
I support your decision UT.
I like your characterization of plural Pams. I think that's fitting. Whether they were one physical person or more, whether they were intentional multiples or more, it's possible to treat them and their posts, their foibles individually. That was how I coped, dealing rationally with the rational posts, and trying to let the shit slide by without picking it up and flinging it back. Ew, nasty. There were many different effective strategies available to deal with the kerfuffle ignited and fueled by the Pams, this is one, wolf suggested another earlier, Sundae had applied another. This one is fine. Thanks again for your generous gift of the cellar to all of us, and thanks for taking care of it. |
Thanks UT. I posted in the other thread before seeing this one.
The Cellar is a great place and you really push the boundaries of acceptance. Good on you. |
I felt sorry for the Pam's - obviously serious mental issues going on with her. Deep down she can't be a very happy person. That said, she had no business on the Cellar. She just irritated everyone to no benefit - least of all her own.
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OH hell, I have to say it.
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You gave the troll the best troll juice money can buy. :headshake Next time, y'all, just SHUT THE FUCK UP! No more namby pamby love the world posts, no more yelling "attention whore" posts no more no more no more. Jesus H Cripes on a Ritz. If I can stay out of it I'm sure the more perfect of the Dwellars can. How much more obvious could this have been? Of course, last time I pointed out trolldom I got my ass kicked. For being mean. :lol: |
You meanie!
I kick yo ass! |
let me try to explain it another way.
there are several ways to deal effectively with the situation. You, infinite monkey, name one, ignoring it. UT names another, banning. This shows two, not "only one", ways to deal effectively with the situation. |
"if a monster come in heah, I kick HIS ask"
Remember that little girl vid? Gawd I loved that! That's what you reminded me of. :) |
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It takes a VILLAGE to ignore the troll. The ONLY thing that keeps the troll going is the attention. ANY kind of attention. So you feed it and feed it and feed it...for what...HUNDREDS of posts? What about this are you not getting? |
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IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO IGNORE A TROLL.
No, feed it instead. Then WAY later UT gets to ban it. Gee, that was effective. Nope, you like the attention and drama as much as Pammy does. You can always drool on UT later for needing to take action cause no one could shut the hell up and ignore it. Quote:
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^^Troll^^
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One could also fan the flames till it burned itself out.
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I've been wrong before. And I really didn't want to get involved. But, after the fact, I had to say what I've been thinking. |
: peace :
: olive branch : (sorry, couldn't find the pictures, please accept these few words as a down payment on my thousand word balance, thanks in advance.) |
:peace out, dude:
: olives in a martini: ;) |
I am concerned that banning will make her try harder to get back.
Although I don't think that her next post will come from Denmark, the only place in the world that can treat her rare form of pituitary tumor that presents with symptoms of everything except a pituitary tumor. |
At one point, the predecessor to the Cellar went without any administration for a long time. It was then that the community developed the Passive Ignorance Silence Strike, where a troll would be ignored by all regulars. There was no Ignore feature at the time, you know, everyone just "manually" ignored the person's posts.
It was devastatingly effective. The target knew that their posts were being read, but there were no replies. We do have Coventry, "global ignore", and recently Emma's time there was similarly effective. Pams can go there next if they are persistent. I don't think P.I.S.S. can work in our modern day. The Internet is just too damn big; and the Cellar is bigger too. There is a constant stream of spammers, trolls and mentally ill users. |
I'm sort of with infinite monkey on this, i.e. I chose not to make any responses or references to the Pams as that is obviously what they wanted and I felt anything I said would simply encourage them to stay.
I was also rather puzzled by many people's keenness to interact with the Pams whilst declaring them irritating, but each to their own ... Now, where's the martini for those olives? Oh, well, we'll just have to make do with this ...:apickle: ... |
That'll work for me!
How about Whopper martinis? |
And we all have our own distinct intinctive responses to them.
Also, it started, much as it has in the past, with her apparently trying to fit in after retrurning from a ban. So that has a lulling effect. By the time she unleashes the crazy you've already let down your guard :P I think we always have to allow for the possibility (Pam aside, I think, she's a special case) that someone will settle the fuck down and start interacting with us as a human being instead of a troll. It's happened before. It could happen again. Unfortunately (or fortunately) we all have different thresholds that trigger a change in attitude. We all have different levels of tolerance when it comes to personal insults. Things that will draw one dwellar in will baffle another and vice versa. I;d say the current system works reasonably well, and worked well this time. A few days of PP all over the forum and now gone. The opportunity was there, the door was opened, she chose to shit on the floor and was escorted from the building. |
Whopper Malteasers?
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I will admit, I find her slightly fascinating. I don't mean I want her around, but when she is here and is posting, I cannot let go of the essential question, is this person just playing, or is this genuine mental illness?
More than any of the trolls, the roleplayer in me is a little drawn to Pam. |
Effective troll is effective!
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It was OTC, a fringe element side effect of the OWS movement. They're messing with forces they don't understand. :worried:
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What you are all doing here makes the troll dance with glee. I preferred pissing it off.
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She seemed alright to me.
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Appearances can be deceiving. She was probably half left and half right like everybody else.
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Yeah. I eventually came to the conclusion that it is genuine mental illness, one of the manifestations of which is messing with people's heads and playing different characters on message boards.
I did at one point consider that she might not be real at all. had the same feeling last time as well, briefly. Quite spooky. Like conversing with a very sophisticated AI. Y'know, the way bits of your post would be mechanistically fed back within the response and used to launch a different line of conversation. |
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I like Troll Dancing. It's so olde worlde.
Oh, wait. No. That's Morris Dancing. |
And crusty jugglers?
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That anything like a stiff neck?
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To cure that you need a great big bushy beard!
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I think the person playing Pam is seriously ill. I hope that the posts I made projected that thought.
I feel sympathy for the person and hope that some day she will get some help. I don't think this was the place to get it. She's better off banned. |
Thanks, mods. Had to be done.
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Banned people can still read threads, right?
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Thats why im still mum on this topic.
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No, wait. That was foot. Nevermind. |
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