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monster 09-04-2011 06:23 PM

American Grammar Help, please...
 
XYZ Synchronized Swim Team

are proud to present



OR



XYZ Synchronized Swim Team

is proud to present

footfootfoot 09-04-2011 06:24 PM

is this country a group is singular

monster 09-04-2011 06:38 PM

thanks, that's what I thought, wanted to make sure ..it's treated as a plural in Brit English.

Clodfobble 09-04-2011 06:56 PM

Officially, it can be either depending on the intent. But in common usage, people would expect "is" for a swim team.

monster 09-04-2011 07:03 PM

thanks, common usage is what i need :)

Pico and ME 09-04-2011 07:27 PM

If it was the XYZ Synchronized Swimmers, then 'are' would be appropriate...

BigV 09-04-2011 11:32 PM

When I listen to the sports news on the BBC, I find it a little jarring to hear the team's name used as a plural. "Arsenal are..." etc.

DanaC 09-05-2011 03:29 AM

'is' can also be used but it depends on context.

ZenGum 09-05-2011 06:24 AM

I find it particularly jarring when a team with a plural countable-noun name (say, the Denver Broncos) are playing a team with an uncountable noun name (Miami Heat).

"Miami Heat is in the lead, but the Broncos are closing fast..." Ugh.

monster 09-05-2011 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV (Post 754492)
When I listen to the sports news on the BBC, I find it a little jarring to hear the team's name used as a plural. "Arsenal are..." etc.

That's only because you don't know how to speak proper.

glatt 09-05-2011 06:55 AM

Zen, how do you know about the Miami Heat? Do they really get coverage in Australia? Or is their name just a joke there?

footfootfoot 09-05-2011 07:28 AM

It's a dry heat

xyz synchronized swimmerS makes it plural. TeamS would also be plural.

BigV 09-05-2011 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 754510)
I find it particularly jarring when a team with a plural countable-noun name (say, the Denver Broncos) are playing a team with an uncountable noun name (Miami Heat).

"Miami Heat is in the lead, but the Broncos are closing fast..." Ugh.

This is what I'm talking about. CLANG!!

BigV 09-05-2011 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 754515)
That's only because you don't know how to speak proper.

So stipulated.

Griff 09-05-2011 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 754510)
I find it particularly jarring when a team with a plural countable-noun name (say, the Denver Broncos) are playing a team with an uncountable noun name (Miami Heat).

"Miami Heat is in the lead, but the Broncos are closing fast..." Ugh.

Especially jarring is one playing Football Americano and the other basketball. :)

ZenGum 09-05-2011 08:05 PM

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thank you, Big V, I'm glad someone noticed my deliberate error. ;) Just put there for illustration purposes, of course.

Griff: That would be pretty jarring, wouldn't it. I guess the bulls Vs Heat would be more fair!

Glatt: you Yankee cultural imperialist dogs (no, wait, is it pigs?) have flooded the planet with your commercialist culture to saturation point - and the rest of us race to slurp it up like a hi-powered sewage pump draining a septic tank at a rock festival. :D

Just off the top of my head: Lebron James just moved from (I think) Chicago to Miami, ticking off quite a few fans along the way, but wasn't able to clinch the championship. Was that right?

Do I win a big mac?


ETA: Should that be "Yankee cultural imperialist dogs has flooded ..."?

ZenGum 09-05-2011 09:27 PM

Our study guide offers the following:

Quote:

Some nouns which are grammatically singular may be followed by a plural verb form. These are often called collective nouns. Collective nouns take a singular verb when the noun is referring to the groups as a unit; they take a plural verb when the noun is referring to individuals within the group.

The English football team was beaten by Italy.
The English football team were arguing amongst themselves.

DanaC 09-06-2011 06:11 AM

It also depends whether you are referring to them as an object (The English football team) or using the team name 'England'.

So, you'd say 'The English football team is due to arrive at the airport in half an hour', but 'England are due to arrive at the airport in half an hour'.

Spexxvet 09-06-2011 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 754607)
Just off the top of my head: Lebron James just moved from (I think) Chicago to Miami, ticking off quite a few fans along the way, but wasn't able to clinch the championship. Was that right?

Do I win a big mac?

He moved from Cleveland, so you only win a little mac.;)

Big Sarge 09-07-2011 06:35 AM

i wish the brits would learn to speak english in their school system. it would help their children learn to function in the world society. perhaps we could arrange a language program where rural mississippians would serve as tutors.


'y'all come back again; you here?"

Undertoad 09-10-2011 10:08 AM

It turns out the American accent is closer to what English speakers spoke in the 1700s.

DanaC 09-10-2011 04:40 PM

It's closer to some regions in the 1700s. It's significantly further away from what would have been spoken in most of the North

Undertoad 09-10-2011 10:03 PM

How long until we merge again?

Clodfobble 09-10-2011 10:42 PM

I think what's supposed to happen is we have sex with all of them, and then their species dies out?


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