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Griff 08-02-2011 06:04 AM

Untreated
 
Big question for the day: How many of our institutions are the result of untreated mental illness? I think religion is the easy one to see, but how about the paranoia that feeds various government interventions, or the destruction that justifies them? Something to ponder on my way to work.

JBKlyde 08-02-2011 06:15 AM

There are 3 possible reasons for mental (("illnesses")) DISABILITIES.

A. You are being punished by GOD.
B. You have a legitimate gift and don't know how to use it.
C. Sickness has bestowed you and you are truly ill.

BigV 08-02-2011 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JBKlyde (Post 747949)
There are 3 possible reasons for mental (("illnesses")) DISABILITIES.

A. You are being punished by GOD.
B. You have a legitimate gift and don't know how to use it.
C. Sickness has bestowed you and you are truly ill.

"...and the first two don't count."

Been waiting a long time for that cliche to truthfully apply. Thanks JBKlyde!

JBKlyde 08-02-2011 11:30 AM

I'm not really sure what your thanking me for but one of my "demands" to the judge was that we get together on thanksgiving.

wolf 08-02-2011 11:40 AM

America's Got Talent

Half could use a good loading dose of Prozac, the other half, Haldol.

Pico and ME 08-02-2011 11:43 AM

:biglaugha

infinite monkey 08-02-2011 11:47 AM

Wow, I'm so lost. Judge? Thanksgiving, you and BigV? America's Got Talent?

DanaC 08-02-2011 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 748046)
Wow, I'm so lost. Judge? Thanksgiving, you and BigV? America's Got Talent?

Confused? You will be...

infinite monkey 08-02-2011 12:39 PM

Did everyone lose their ever-lovin' minds while I slept?

It's not just here, other places I've heard people talking gibberish. I wonder if something has happened to me that I'm not processing what I hear correctly.

So, why (and when) will I be confused? :confused:

DanaC 08-02-2011 12:41 PM

I misquoted...

should have been

Confused? You won't be ... (after this week's episode of...Soap).

jimhelm 08-02-2011 12:42 PM

Don't worry.... there's a Bunny.

infinite monkey 08-02-2011 12:42 PM

Quote:

I misquoted...

should have been

Confused? You won't be ... (after this week's episode of...Soap).
"On a very special Blossom"

:lol:

infinite monkey 08-02-2011 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimhelm (Post 748062)
Don't worry.... there's a Bunny.

Exactly!

Undertoad 08-02-2011 01:56 PM

Quote:

How many of our institutions are the result of untreated mental illness?
:lol: cellar dot org :lol:

DanaC 08-02-2011 02:46 PM

lol

Spexxvet 08-02-2011 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griff (Post 747945)
How many of our institutions are the collection points for those with untreated mental illness?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 748079)
:lol: cellar dot org :lol:

FTFY ;):)

Pico and ME 08-02-2011 08:47 PM

You guys are joking.
Cuz, the Cellar is the sanest place I know.
Really.
Except for the arch conservatives, of course.

Griff 08-03-2011 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 748079)
:lol: cellar dot org :lol:

:) So we do reap some benefits!

Urbane Guerrilla 08-05-2011 11:05 PM

Religion's origin has very little if anything to do with off-kilter mentation -- and very much to do with helping humans live in their societies without savaging each other, keeping a leash on greed, and other desiderata.

This is not to say some jackholes aren't going to try gaming any system around -- one example being the just-convicted, still-in-denial Warren Jeffs. Who is likely to be ill-treated in prison, possibly fatally, since murderers think they are better than child molesters. Ahem. Somebody back in the Bronze Age was probably gaming the system in Baal-worship too.

The great difference between religion and superstition is what you do with it. Superstitions are magical thinking; you don't have to do magical thinking to be religious. For some of you this distinction will be either subtle or outright baffling. All I can say to that is I've been trying to pay attention.

Religion works with an instinct among humans -- an instinct to be part of something greater than one's own limited self. This can be found in other societal endeavors too. We are not leopards, solitary, seeking others like ourselves only to mate with them and reproduce. We want, need and use more extensive social contact than that. An anthropomorphized capital-G God is imagined as a sort of super Man, endued with all the virtues, the bulk of which improve our social interactions, making these benevolent rather than predatory.

But who can limn the leopards' God?

So, back to the root of the thing: we want and need a road to social cohesiveness, lest our group or society fail in survival-promoting cooperation and amity. Look at just how many religious precepts are about being nice to people. In the fundamentals, that's damn near all of them. Morality is survival behavior -- often very closely reasoned survival behavior. Look how few root precepts are about cutting people off from benevolent consideration. Almost always, these are more political than religious. Even the ones that seem at first glance entirely religous -- well, once you start digging, you find them to be political somehow.

The be-nice and play-fair commandments are however not always of themselves convenient to actually practice. A sociopathic personality is defined by an inability to practice these, with the severely sociopathic being unable to do it at all, either with narcissistic thinking or with resentment at others for being existent enough to occasionally inconvenience. Those of us who can be socialized enough to follow the civilization-rules find these people a mighty inconvenience out of proportion to their small numbers.

The religious civilization-rules for how to treat your fellow man take on a great deal of importance when simply getting up and going far away isn't a good option, and when killing off the guy who makes you mad is bound to get you talked about. The importance attached to these things is so great that they must be made something sacred -- not to be transgressed no matter what. Elevating such principles to the level of holiness is an excellent psychological mechanism for keeping the good social ideas in place and in force.

Even those with an allergy to the sacred benefit infinitely therefrom, and for their entire lives. And it's smoothly enough done that the atheistic, who imagine themselves so sophisticated and rational, don't even notice it at work. Practically everyone else is thinking so as to make these sacred ideals work -- and so is the atheist for that matter, if he has even a lick of sense.

Even if religion were not yet invented, it would have to be invented in the end -- not mere majoritarian consensus, but keeping the best ideas beyond any political influence or fashion, or momentary passion.

Atheism is the thinking of the naïf. I won't indulge in it. It isn't satisfactory.

Urbane Guerrilla 08-05-2011 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pico and ME (Post 748136)
You guys are joking.
Cuz, the Cellar is the sanest place I know.
Really.
Except for the arch conservatives, of course.

Being arch is what makes us fun.

We're smarter than you are too. We have values, and know why. If you have any values recognizable as values, I'd like you to list them, and let's test them for worth.

Pico and ME 08-05-2011 11:10 PM

Ha. You bit.

Urbane Guerrilla 08-05-2011 11:27 PM

Got your leg!


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