Baby murder with a cinderblock "Caution"
 

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WTF is wrong with people? How long should this guy be allowed to continue to breathe?
Maybe we need Zippy & his wood chipper...

Let's cut more from the education budget and FFS let's not teach sex ed in school. Stoopid is working! NOT!

You can drop a baby off at a safe place, no questions asked. :(

I watched Slingblade last night ("Some people call it a slingblade, I call it a kaiser blade.") and this horrible story reminded me of some elements in the film.

Fuck.

The effect that money (or the lack thereof) has on some people is disturbing.

I would have gladly taken that child and raised it as my own.

What's the betting he refused to wear a condom as it's not natural.
What's the betting they did not even consider termination as it's evil.

I guess at least there wasn't any torture involved.
I won't go into details - I'm sure you've all read cases.

The truth is, some humans have no humanity.

That town is pretty small and rather rural IIRC.
Not a lot of edumacated peeps livin there. IMO.

jus sayin.

There's also the relative youth of the parents to consider. The part of the brain that allows us to properly understand the ramifications of our actions (moral context, but deeper and more personalised) along with the more refined impulse control of an adult, usually isn't fully formed until late teens, and in some cases very early 20s.

Not excusing the lad for what he's done. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if he hasn't fully developed that part of his brain yet.

I hope he doesn't get the chance - treat him like he treated his child.

And that would help the situation how?

lol - That situation is beyond help by his doing.
Nothing that is done will bring the child back.

Just rid the planet of this waste. Think of the oxygen.

He would no longer be able to poison the planet with his stupid?

I agree: Find somebody just about seven feet tall, right around three hundred pounds, give that big sumbitch a cinder block, and point him in the direction of Mr. Fitzpatrick.

The town is not rural. It is a commuter town for NYC workers. The girl was 28 - a full adult. This is only a typical murder. Why is it even being discussed other than it appeals to people most attached to their emotions. No hard, constructive, informative, or useful facts have been provided.

Meanwhile, fundamental economic issues affecting everyone in the Cellar go completely undiscussed. But that would not tingle hype.

Another story of two ‘low lifes’. People who refuse to take responsibility for their lives. Something more common from American citizens and rarely seen in immigrants? At least that question has an abiding value. That news report is not worthy of The Cellar.

I didn't know how old the girl was, I only knew the age of the lad.

In what way do fundamental economic questions affecting everyone in the Cellar 'go undiscussed'? That's blatantly untrue.

If you wish to discuss economic questions start a fucking thread about it. There's plenty of room, we're not running out of space. This thread is about the horrible, sordid murder of a child by its parents. Don;t think that's of any interest or believe its not fit for Cellar discussion? Well then fuck off out of the thread and don't participate. What do you do for an encore, snatch the daily rag from commuters and insist they read a broadsheet?

And that is only news to those whose ethics are so low as to think it is even news worthy. Big naked breasts on a Fleet Street rag are equally newsworthy.

Besides, myths were added to the story. They were only kids? It is a rural backwater town? Well tw slept there. Washington also may have. Both are just as newsworthy.

Please. Has the Cellar dropped so low as to give any credence to emotion and gossip? Was she crying? Why don't we know since that too must be important! Show me big tits from Fleet Street. Just as newsworthy.

well shit back to Weiner's wiener then!

This is a forum not a newspaper.

Thank FSM that it IS news worthy. There are not a lot of people out there who would kill a child as casually as one might swat a mosquito. When some subhuman miscreant actually does such a thing, it's news. And Dana is right. Since when did every post on the Cellar have to lead to some intellectually uplifting discussion?

And since when did a discussion with tommyboy ever lead to that.

@tw - Don't like the thread little man - DON'T POST.

Facts ...
It has a population of about 11,000 - Not exactly a large place.
Its a small town near Scranton. Again - pretty rural compared to a city like Philly.
more here

I agree it is newsworthy in the appalling nature of the act, but I also agree with TW to some degree in that its newsworthiness is largely due to the sensationalism of the act.

Making it much more newsworthy than the millions of children in the US going to bed hungry every night or the fact that a mature and responsible couple cannot adopt and give a loving home to a child in some states if they happen to be the same sex. Issues that if they were discussed more in larger political arenas than the Cellar could result in meaningful actions that would improve the lives of children.

You must be thinking of a different Lake Ariel. I've been there. It's next to Honesdale and Hawley, which are both small towns, and it's smaller than each. It's a tiny village that's sprawled out. It's pretty rural. It's a good 2.5 hours from NYC, so that would be 5 hours of commuting time. Nobody there commutes daily to NYC.

But you are right. This is an emotional story of no real importance to any dwellar's lives.

This is an emotional story with no more importance to any dwellar's lives than many of the other stories we discuss.

ORLY?

Well, only if Republican lawmakers would base public policy decisions on what might be best for the children rather than invoking or attempting to impose their religious beliefs on the broader public (add) or slash and burn budget cutting.

Or maybe you think proposing to cut the WIC (women, infant, children) supplemental food program by nearly $1 billion will not impact the lives of hundreds of thousands of children.

Or deciding that it's more important to line the pockets of the already rich than for a young couple to feel that they can earn enough to support two children.

Or demanding to defund Planned Parenthood which educates young women on family planning issues.

Sorry F&B - I misread your post. I thought you were referring to larger discussions IN THE CELLAR having some impact. Haven't had my coffee yet.

To stay a little more on topic -

As a father, I just cannot fathom even the slightest thought of killing one of my children, let alone in the manner it was done.

No problem.

I generally avoid the discussions that IMO are more sensational than substantive; just a personal choice and no reflection on others.

Me neither, but to be honest, when they were newborns, it was different. Especially the first one. I hadn't fully "bonded" with the baby yet, and it was crying all the time. I understood the motivation behind infanticide then.

That's why some cultures eat their young. ;)

They lived in Highland Lake NJ - long a suburb of NYC. He buried the body west in PA. Now even that region has become a suburb of NYC (as a NY Times article some years ago discussed - people do commute that far). Wayne and Pike counties (in PA) were two of the three fastest growing counties in PA at one point this past decade. Even those counties have become bedroom communities to NYC and its inner suburbs.

Those are not rural backwater towns as a poorly informed naysayer would have us believe. The article has no redeeming or useful value. Is only gossip. But is hyperbolic nonsense that any wackoman would think important.

It's another murder no different than what happened in Harlem, Brooklyn, or Kensington. Had he read the article rather than, as usual, jump to conclusions; Highland Lake is an NYC suburb.

A meaningful discussion to, for example, address the lives of children would have, well, he ignored similar murders occurring inside Philly and NYC. And did nothing to discuss the larger issue – the lives of 20% of the children living in poverty. And the attacks on social programs designed to avert these problems. Facts not relevant to his agenda of sensational while ignoring substantive. Noting his trend was so accurate as to inspire him to waste bandwidth with more insults. Expected from one hyped by the sensational.

Shall we call the Whaaaaambulance for you, tommyboy?

I see nothing but your opinion here. Got anything credible to back up you claims?
The family I have that lives about 5 miles from there would disagree with you.
I've cited, how bout you? nope nothing yet.

Oh and your insults, although poorly veiled, are nothing but the same. At least I am man enough to say it to you directly. Maybe when you grow up, you will too. One can only hope.
Oh sorry, actually you tried that once during your last meltdown when you called a posters wife, a woman you had never seen nor met a "gonorrhea dripping whore." Yes, I still remember and as long as you trot out your hypocritical bullshit I will continue to remind you.

Grow up.

Well, I don;t know about anybody else, but I'd really rather you didn't. Or that you did so in private. Frankly I am sick of it keep coming up.

I'm sick of it too, but I will stand up for myself and point out the double standard each and every time he starts it, especially since no one else will.

No one asked him to come in here and start the same shit again.

Let it be known - There will be no free pass anymore, period.

I guess you dont practice what you preach.

http://cellar.org/showpost.php?p=738469&postcount=15

yeh. :eyebrow:

There was a free pass???? When? Where? Dang, I missed it - must have been in Nothingland or something. :eek:

Oh Sam darling - there have been many.

There are thousands of unwanted kids in the foster system who need you to raise them as their own right this very minute. Oh, or was that just meaningless self-righteousness you were spilling out?

tens of thousands, but who's counting?

Stop it.
I have absolutely nothing against you, but this eye-for-an-eye bullshit does not match my opinion of you as an intelligent person. I would not let the 4-5 year olds in my class get away with it. You are an adult and I have no way to influence your posting except to ask you politely to stop and think.

Your politics aren't mine. But then neither are TW's. Or Merc's.
So this is not political.
If you are a good man, swallow it. Raking it up over and over is a sly bitch trick. I've done it myself, and always felt ashamed after.

Let someone else be wrong.

There is currently 130,000 children waiting for adopting in the United States. How many will you take?