Casey Anthony Trial
 

Because Brianna and I need a place to discuss it.

I'm finding both the legal maneuvering and the forensic testimony fascinating.

Of course, I am experts in both of these things because I watch Law and Order, CSI, and Bones.

What I do wonder is if there is anything on the duct tape that would indicate either drowning (presence of chlorine, anyone?), which is the defense's theory, or anything to show presence of chloroform, or human biological products (vomit, spit, whatever) that prove that the duct tape was over the mouth or nose of a living child.

My own theory of the case is that Casey wanted to party and that she got into the habit of drugging Caylee and leaving her somewhere (including in the trunk of the car) while she did so. Given the Orlando heat, decomposition could have been accelerated, and I would even suspect that she left the trash bag in the car in hopes that the stench would be traced to that rather than toting around a dead child.

I found the "daddy molested me and forced me not to report that my baby drowned accidentally" competely freakish.

Even the baddest of ex-cops would report an accidental drowning, and know that nobody would be charged in such an instance.

Oh, and Casey lies.

Like a cheap rug.

That is an interesting theory re: Casey drugged Caylee so she could party. And, giving major props to your credentials (TeeVee and otherwise) I think that wanting to party is just too...normal and banal a reason for Casey to do anything. 99.9% of kids her age want to party. Casey's pathology goes so much deeper IMHO. And I'm looking at Cindy here. That woman has major, major issues.

I assume you've seen Caylee's bedroom? I mean, come ON. I love my kids, too, but they never, ever had shit the way Caylee had shit. The entire home was a Barbie Dream Castle and Casey hadn't been pulling in a paycheck for what, two years? She pretended to go to work at Universal for TWO years???? That, my friend, is dedication to a lie. I don't think I could fake anything for two years. She got up, dressed, pretended to go to work...and had zero money? How'd she do that? How did she pay to party? What did Cindy and George think she was doing with her (nonexsistant) paychecks? She certainly couldn't have been buying all that shit for Caylee.

And did Cindy and Geo. know what the defense was going to do - say Geo. molested Casey? I find that hard to swallow - that they would be okay with that and Geo. has denied it.

Casey is a spooky psychopath but Cindy is right there behind her. And we still don't know who Caylee's father was. I heard 7 men have been tested. Does Casey know who the father is and just can't say?

And it looks like Cindy and George would've taken care of and loved Caylee in the event that Casey just up and walked out of her life and ran away. I mean, if Casey really wanted to be shed of the little girl, she could've just left. What was keeping her there in Cindy's home? Casey could've shacked up with any number of willing men...sugar daddied her way out. She would've known Caylee would be well taken care of. Why not just leave? Coz she wanted to hurt Cindy. She has major hatred for Cindy. George is just a pawn in this entire game. It's between Casey and her mom.

Time for the Wood chipper again ,
Feet first this time

I just had Doctor Drew on as background while I was searching and he said something really interesting about Zanny the Nanny that hadn't occurred to me, but is close to something that I'd been guessing about ... that Casey was drugging the kid, stashing her somewhere, and going to party.

It's maybe not Zanny. It's Xanny.

Xanax.

How 'bout that shit ...

I'll pass on the wood chipper, my man. Maybe you could say "head last" or something?

I was hoping for a more peaceful exit, you know quietly in my sleep, like Grandpa, not all hysterical and shrieking like the passengers in his car.

j/k have to agree; it couldn't be slow enough for that broad.

You've been reading James Joyce again haven't you? You must have a little Irish in you.

In addition to the whiskey, yes, I do. Come by it natural-like.

Ha, ha, ha,.... they should have tazzed the MoFo's. :lol:

http://www.billoreilly.com/video?cha...97882370772693

Wow - great catch! Zanny the Nanny= Xanny the Nanny!

This case is getting weirder by the minute.

What are your thoughts here? Borderline or full blown psychopath?

Sociopath. I can find things to like about borderlines.

People are objects to her.

Imagine how she'd treat them if they wore lipstick?

yeah, I get the feeling that Casey thinks the only real person, the only reality, is Casey.

Her lawyer was threatened with contempt today. Judge Perry no likey her attorney.

ETA: Like Casey's tatt? She got a tatt during the time Caylee was missing - Bella Vita. Beautiful Life.

According to testimony from the tattoo artist, Casey was cheerful, happy, bought pizza for everyone in the tattoo shop, and told the tattoo artist all about her daughter, promising to bring her by to meet the guy.

One eesy-weensy problem ... Caylee was already dead, according to the Defense's crazy accidental drowning, Grampa hid the body theory.

And as a little aside ... wrapping the body in her favorite Winnie-the-Pooh blanket is consistent with a family (usually parent) killing rather than a stranger killing. According to Law and Order and CSI, anyway.

Yeah, I remember reading that in a book by an FBI profiler

re favorite blanket--

why wouldn't a stranger use a favorite blanket? wouldn't the most readily available blankets be the favorite ones? assuming the wrapping happens where the kid sleeps.

keep in mind, I've seen enough Law and Order and CSI to fill the time between the end of dinner and bedtime about twice.

Sometimes, it's the way it is wrapped, or the fact it is wrapped at all. Haphazrd wrapping in a blanket versus wrapping in a comforting way, one is "who gives a shit?" and the other is pretending to yourself that you are not a bad mom.

And then there is the ever practical trash bag. I think you can read a little into how people consider their victims by the way they treat the remains.

Just what I've read.

Now Cindy is saying she did the searches for chloroform and some trauma/injuries searches on the home computer - even though her time card from work says she was at work during those times.

She says she "came home early," - ch'yeah.

I'm pretty sure Cindy perjured herself in a misguided attempt to save her daughter's life. Otherwise something would have been said about this earlier in the evolution of the case.

And such a bizarrely weak story, too ... "I searched for chlorophyll because I wondered why my little Yorkie might be sleepy."

Yeah. It's a puppy. That's what they do in between bursts of frantic energy.

Chlorophyll totally relates to searches on how to make chloroform and kill people with household objects and break necks. In between visits to facebook and myspace, which mom didn't use at all.

Fool.

I don't think Casey will get the death penalty.

I mean, she is a cute, petite, big-breasted chicka.

cf Amanda Knox. It's like she got hit with Casey's shit hammer, AK is so obviously not guilty.

I don't think AK is guilty, either.

but Casey sooooooo is.

The last cutie-pie to be put to death was Karla Faye Tucker and she was in Texas, ffs, AND "W" was gov. so, she was purty much out of luck there.

Really?
I have no problem with Foxy Knoxy's conviction.
Things about her testomony were seriously screwy.

I have to admit, I just have a "gut" feeling that Knoxy is not guilty.

That feeling, and the obvious bumbling of the Italian police/detectives.

You can see it on her face. She's innocent.

No real surprise ... Casey isn't testifying.

Jose Baez, though, has to be the dumbest attorney on the face of the Earth ... he spent most of this morning have Lee, Cindy, and George testify that it was pretty common practice in the family to wrap their pets in plastic with a favorite blanket or toy, tape up the bag and bury them.

Rather than making a broad suggestion that one of the other family members did this with Caylee, he pretty much walked into his own trap, showing that from the time she was a toddler, this is how Casey knows that a beloved pet is to be interred.

And kudos to Jeff Ashton, the prosecutor ... "Mrs. Anthony, your buried your pets, correct? You never threw any of them into a swamp, did you?"

And the Defense just rested.

Some dumbass in the gallery shot a bird at the Prosecutor.

The judge is wacking his peepee.

6 days in jail, $400 fine, about $220 in court costs, 6 months worth of installments.

Heh. I haven't been following this trial closely, but I just Googled this trial and "contempt of court" to see details on this incident, and see that it's at least the 4th instance of contempt of court in this one trial. What a 3 ring circus.

Two of the contempt citations occurred during jury selection, I think ...

I am so freakin' wrapped up in this thing that I signed up for Twitter so I could get the Verdict notification.

Seriously.

So wolf, do you think she is going to get off?

Any bets on how long this jury is going to deliberate? I am betting at least 2 or 3 weeks because nothing seems cut and dry.

convention wisdom, according to In Session is quick jury return is likely for a guilty verdict. Vinnie Politan, one of their commentators, is predicting 13 hours.

I'm thinking around 5.

And I think she's guilty ... both initial impression and presentation of the evidence.

So, this is what happened? Prosecution presented facts that show Casey killed her daughter. Why she did it. And why it was premeditated.

Defense tried to claim this was due to sexual molestation as a child. Provided no evidence for those claims. So the judge said that defense could not be considered.

Defense's only hope is to have created doubt in the prosecution's logic. But no smoking gun facts were presented.

Doing everything I can to avoid this trial (just like OJ Simpson's), is that the entire relevant 6 weeks of testimony?

There were a lot more words involved, but pretty much.

The jury is deliberating, Judge Perry just sent them back to the hotel for the night, they start again 0830 tomorrow.

The closing arguments were pretty well done ... lots of facts on the Prosecution's side, a lot of attempts at eliciting emotion on the Defense's.

Rut row, not a speedy resolution.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/...h-verdict.html

I spent yesterday with a woman who lives on Orlando. She is totally Casey Anthonyed out. Her children went to the school that's down the street from the body dump site. She (and apparently most of the people that she knows) are all of the opinion that Casey killed the kid and would prefer that she have a long life of suffering in prison rather than the death penalty.

She told a story about being in the Publix one day and seeing some folks she thought she knew, but she couldn't figure out from where ... she finally realized they were George and Cindy Anthony.

The verdict is in ... at 2:15!

WTF???????????????????????????????
Casey Anthony found not guilty of first degree murder.

I'm not the jury, I didn't even watch the trial. I'm not even her, so I don't know if justice was done or not...but I don't think anyone was expecting this outcome.

Here's what MIGHT have happened on any of the charges:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/05...ds-her-guilty/

well that was a let down.

OJ?

Well, we don't know, do we?

I don't know. Some of y'all might.

That verdict to me sounds like a travesty of justice.
But I have to be as sanguine as Infi and say I wasn't there and I wasn't on the Jury.

Still.
Wow.
Maybe I'll even bury the dead kid I have now I know it's safe.

(too soon?)

Never too soon for dark humor.

I just hate how everyone "knows" all about whether people are guilty or not. Certainly I believe there is some educated guessing going on; some people have really followed this case.

But, even with OJ, though every part of my being thought he was guilty too, I couldn't come out and shout "that guilty motherfucker deserved to DIE." I couldn't be sure he was the monster he seemed to be.

Because I just don't know. So the loudmouthing you know will result from certain factions of people, ready with pitchforks, will get on my nerves. Not to say no one is allowed to those opinions either...a lot of people know more about it than I do.

But say, just for a second, that she really wasn't (by the letter of the law and as shown by her defense) guilty? This is why we have courtrooms, right?

FTFY

;)

On one hand I think everyone is evil and on the other hand I think no one is ever guilty.

:lol:

Prosecution presented facts of how and why.
Defense presented excuses and diversions.
Another murderer goes free - IMO.

and yeh - zippy's wood chipper would probably get a LOT of use if it were up to me. Thankfully, it isn't.

No offense, but that's not a particularly surprising opinion from you. In fact, it's expected.

Did you get to see most of the trial? I thought it would be slam dunk and she would be found guilty and I never ended up watching even daily recaps.

Now I wish I had!

It just seems so odd to me.
A dead child, a mother lying and partying for a whole month after her death, not even contacting the authorities.

I don't give much credance to the smell of decomposition, that's opinion.
But if a parent does not report either the accidental death (which her defence suggested) or kidnapping of a child, surely they should be answerable in law?

I'm not saying she should be put to death.
I'm saying if she walks away with time served there are questions to be answered.

search for "Casey" on openbook. A lot of people care a lot.

What is openbook?

eta: I searched it but it isn't doing anything.

Offended by your opinion? Hardly.
I watched a good bit. Enough in my mind to see that this is what happens with the system as is. Guilty people go free.

Can someone explain to me the benefit of the 5th amendment? Obviously I understand what it does, but why is it a good thing? Why shouldn't we be able to make people take the stand and give answers to questions they don't want to answer?

@ c: So, it's good that you can't wish everyone into the cornfield, right, and that we have a legal system...otherwise you'd go broke buying pitchforks and rope.

But do tell, what is better than "as is"?

No, don't tell. Stop it.

Moi?

OK, I'll shut up 'cause YOU said so. ;)

As to the case: she didn't even get child abuse charges. Just the misleading the cops or whatever.

Though we all know there are all kinds of child abuse (some of it so sly that it slips right under almost everyone's radar) I do not know: were there allegations of any former abuse or neglect in which Casey was implicated?

I'll take the 5th. :)

@ IM - You are reading into my comment as usual regarding "as is"

I'll drink a fifth!

Sigh, I wasn't reading anything into anything. You said that "as is" the system lets murderers go free. Seems to me you think things should change.

Maybe getting rid of the 5th amendment? Or chucking the whole constitution, because we know better (not reading into what you said, reading into what Clod said.) I can do some reading into action. But it's a serious question if you, or you, could look beyond your initial reaction to most things I say and realize that.

I'm kind of the dumb man's genius.

But I don't need to get my ass kicked again for your sake, so I'll let this soon to be circular maddening argument go. ;)

Bzzzzzzzzzttt therein lies the problem.

The system is designed so that guilty people go free in exchange for the innocent being prosecuted (as much as possible) - IMO.

Oh and just for fun - the polls are starting ...

Was Justice Served in the Casey Anthony Trial?
No - Casey clearly killed Caylee and has gotten away with it.
80.12%

Yes - The prosecution didn't prove that Casey committed the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.
19.88%