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Flint 05-06-2011 02:08 PM

Sonic CC Machines
 
The card scanners at Sonic prompt:

"Do you know your PIN?"

What if you answered no???

Griff 05-06-2011 02:11 PM

Lower risk of heart disease?

infinite monkey 05-06-2011 02:20 PM

What the fuck are you talking about? The hedgehog????? :confused:

Ibby 05-06-2011 02:33 PM

The drive-up fast-food joint I reckon.

Gravdigr 05-06-2011 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by infinite monkey (Post 731560)
What the fuck are you talking about? The hedgehog????? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Ibram (Post 731566)
The drive-up fast-food joint I reckon.

:yesnod:

infinite monkey 05-06-2011 03:02 PM

OH, and CC is credit card.

:facepalm:

We had a Sonic for like a year, then it just *poof* went out of business. I never did eat there.

Undertoad 05-06-2011 03:16 PM

If you park close enough to the menu thingie to run your card, then the person who comes to give you food can't reach your window.

Gravdigr 05-06-2011 04:00 PM

And it's more like a not-so-fast food joint.

BigV 05-06-2011 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 731552)
The card scanners at Sonic prompt:

"Do you know your PIN?"

What if you answered no???

then the transaction is processed as a credit transaction, instead of a debit transaction.

zippyt 05-06-2011 04:31 PM

then the transaction is processed as a credit transaction, instead of a debit transaction.

and they come out Fingerprint you , Draw Blood , snip hair and Photograph you for Identity purposes

Flint 05-06-2011 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 731552)
The card scanners at Sonic prompt:

"Do you know your PIN?"

What if you answered no???

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Originally Posted by BigV (Post 731621)
then the transaction is processed as a credit transaction, instead of a debit transaction.

It is the wording/intent of the question that confuses me. If I don't know the PIN of the card I am running, then it isn't my card. It must be a stolen card. Running it as credit, without (I assume) even bothering to a check photo ID... how is that right? It appears that they are encouraging people to make fraudulent purchases.

If you don't know the PIN, they should call the police.

Pico and ME 05-06-2011 04:49 PM

It should probably ask, then, "Do you remember your PIN?"

BigV 05-06-2011 05:16 PM

I have made numerous transactions with my plastic that did not require a signature or a PIN.

It is easy to make fraudulent purchases in this way.

I don't see the wording of this prompt as encouraging people to make fraudulent purchases. I see it as the first step in a decision tree of the payment processing system to determine how to process the payment. the wording could be different--in fact, when I bought groceries at the store this morning, the first prompt I saw was (words to the effect of): Credit / Debit? This is the same question essentially. I think the wording of the Sonic initial prompt was chosen for two reasons. 1 -- it is more conversational than credit/debit. and 2 -- it does seem to bias the transaction toward PIN/debit usage. Otherwise, if they're able to process it as a credit without a signature, why wouldn't they? and just skip the whole extra debit/pin trouble. I think they DON'T do this for two reasons. I think they would want to use the least expensive transaction model, and I think this is the debit transaction, and I think they'd want to make your shopping experience at Sonic as easy and uncomplicated as possible, therefore why bother you with a signature if they don't have to.

my $0.02.

ZenGum 05-06-2011 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by zippyt (Post 731638)
then the transaction is processed as a credit transaction, instead of a debit transaction.

and they come out Fingerprint you , Draw Blood , snip hair and Photograph you for Identity purposes, wrap you in a body bag, and bury you at sea. Photos will not be published.

Tell the full story, Zip.

Flint 05-06-2011 07:06 PM

I maintain that it would be vanishingly unlikely for someone to not know the PIN of the card they are carrying, without this indicating a deeper problem. The wording of the question is "do you know" your PIN. I don't understand what scenario that is designed to address.

Someone buying a hamburger with a stolen card...? With a card they "borrowed" from someone without asking...?

Aliantha 05-06-2011 07:10 PM

My husband never remembers his PIN number for his CC so he always has to sign. Things are probably different over there though.

ZenGum 05-06-2011 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 731699)
I maintain that it would be vanishingly unlikely for someone to not know the PIN of the card they are carrying, without this indicating a deeper problem. The wording of the question is "do you know" your PIN. I don't uderstand what scenario that is designed to address.

Someone buying a hamburger with a stolen card...? With a card they "borrowed" from someone without asking...?

Let me rephrase the question.

"Like, dude, if you are on a late night munchie mission because you are, like, stoned off your arse and are too baked to remember your pin number, claim to be, like, "tired" now. We will sort out the money thing for you."

I have worked nights in a convenience store.

monster 05-06-2011 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 731699)
I maintain that it would be vanishingly unlikely for someone to not know the PIN of the card they are carrying, without this indicating a deeper problem. The wording of the question is "do you know" your PIN. I don't understand what scenario that is designed to address.

Someone buying a hamburger with a stolen card...? With a card they "borrowed" from someone without asking...?

I only know the pin of my debit card. Not for any of my credit cards. I never use them with the pin, I see no need to remember a pin for them. I sign or swipe and go.

penis spam 05-06-2011 08:19 PM

Sonic is mean. When I drive there, I can never read the menu. I am blind but they don't care

monster 05-06-2011 08:24 PM

use the braille one. It's usually on the waiter's face.

monster 05-06-2011 08:25 PM

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Beest 05-06-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gravdigr (Post 731620)
And it's more like a not-so-fast food joint.

I read an article that this is all the new thing, walk in burger joints that take 6-8 minutes to provide a 'higher quality' custom made burger.

Five Guys

Pico and ME 05-06-2011 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 731701)
My husband never remembers his PIN number for his CC so he always has to sign. Things are probably different over there though.

I try not to use my card as a debit, so on those rare instances when its my only choice, I sometimes have a difficult time remembering my PIN.

Nirvana 05-06-2011 09:29 PM

I have never used a pin number for any of my cards.

BigV 05-07-2011 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Beest (Post 731731)
I read an article that this is all the new thing, walk in burger joints that take 6-8 minutes to provide a 'higher quality' custom made burger.

Five Guys

Hey, I had dinner there Thursday night. It was an OUTSTANDING hamburger, I actually thanked the crew for such a delicious meal after I was done. HIGHLY recommended.

Clodfobble 05-07-2011 09:17 AM

I have cards that can be used as either credit or debit. I do not ever use them as debit, so I don't know my PIN.

Gravdigr 05-08-2011 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 731699)
Someone buying a hamburger with a stolen card...? With a card they "borrowed" from someone without asking...?

What? Thieves gotta eat.

morethanpretty 05-08-2011 06:28 AM

Used to as Sonic when you chose "no" (because i was too lazy to type in my pin and for a few years I didn't know it), then it would just go straight through as debit. Now when you choose "no" you have to put in my zip code instead. Same thing at gas stations when you use credit. So, at least they are verifying your identity in someway. I guess if a person knows the area of a city you live it could be easier to guess your zip. Not for me though since I don't live at my billing address...


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