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Jill 05-04-2011 09:27 PM

No House resolution honoring SEAL's bin Laden mission
 
"House Republicans say they have no plans to follow the Senate in passing a resolution honoring the military mission that killed Osama bin Laden.

"The decision by GOP leaders follows new rules they enacted in January scrapping the tradition of congratulatory measures, which they complained clogged up the House floor.

"The Senate on Tuesday passed a resolution, 97-0, commending “the men and women of the United States Armed Forces and the United States intelligence community for the tremendous commitment, perseverance, professionalism and sacrifice they displayed in bringing Osama bin Laden to justice.” The measure commended President Obama and reaffirmed the Senate’s commitment “to disrupting, dismantling and defeating al Qaeda.” It also recognized former President George W. Bush’s efforts after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks."

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/15...h-a-resolution
Gee, what happened to that supposed Republican patriotism, rah-rah USA, Support Our Troops stuff? Where's the flag-waving when it actually counts for something?

Shame on them.

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 09:35 PM

There should be no resolution. There should be no discussion. The public does not need and has no need to know.

If this were the Bush administration they would be accused of jingoism, fear mongering, and political grandstanding. But because this is the Obama administration it is "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", without a whimper of protest from the left. What hypocrisy.....

Shame on you bleeding hearts!

Supporting assassination.

Aliantha 05-04-2011 09:36 PM

Actually, under the circumstances, I'm still trying to figure out what the mission was/is. I think catching Hussein and killing Bin Laden are two different kettles of fish though.

Aliantha 05-04-2011 09:37 PM

There are some assignations you just have to support. :D

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 09:38 PM

True dat!!!!

Aliantha 05-04-2011 09:41 PM

Awww...you fixed your typo. Now I look like a dill. lol

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 730815)
Awww...you fixed your typo. Now I look like a dill. lol

I can't make you look like that! I fucked up the spelling, it was me! not Ali! I am the dill! Forgive her!

feel better?

Jill 05-04-2011 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 730809)

There should be no resolution. There should be no discussion. The public does not need and has no need to know.

The public doesn't need to know what? This doesn't make sense. Care to explain?
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 730809)

If this were the Bush administration they would be accused of jingoism, fear mongering, and political grandstanding. But because this is the Obama administration it is "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!", without a whimper of protest from the left. What hypocrisy.....

If George W. Bush had actually managed to kill Osama bin Laden, not a single person in this country, including those on the left, would have one word to say against a friggin' House Resolution honoring the troops who successfully carried out the mission.

What many of us on the left objected to with Bush, was his FAKE "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" event that was nothing more than a photo op for no reason whatsoever. Nothing was actually accomplished.
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 730809)

Shame on you bleeding hearts!

Supporting assassination.

I don't understand this, either, except that I guess you're just trying to turn the argument around. Though I have to say it was a pretty unsuccessful attempt.

Now, instead of using this as an opportunity to bash liberals, would you mind commenting on the subject of the OP? Do you agree that the House should not pass a Resolution in honor of the Special Forces Team 6 that took out the Most Wanted Man in the world?

Aliantha 05-04-2011 09:50 PM

lol much. :)

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jill (Post 730818)
I don't understand this, either, except that I guess you're just trying to turn the argument around. Though I have to say it was a pretty unsuccessful attempt.

Now, instead of using this as an opportunity to bash liberals, would you mind commenting on the subject of the OP? Do you agree that the House should not pass a Resolution in honor of the Special Forces Team 6 that took out the Most Wanted Man in the world?

Read my lips....
1. No, the public does not need to know a God Damm thing that goes on during these missions. No details, no arm chair quarterbacking bull shit.

2. No, the House has no business ruining these peoples careers by giving them recognition. These guys want to continue to do what they do and don't want to become political pawns in Obama's game for re-election!

3. No, they are not called freaking "Special Forces Team 6"! (People like you make me want to kill kittens!)

Jill 05-04-2011 10:10 PM

You don't know what a Resolution is, do you?

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jill (Post 730830)
You don't know what a Resolution is, do you?

AND you don't know who actually did the mission do you? Fool.

Fair&Balanced 05-04-2011 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 730826)
Read my lips....
1. No, the public does not need to know a God Damm thing that goes on during these missions. No details, no arm chair quarterbacking bull shit.

2. No, the House has no business ruining these peoples careers by giving them recognition. These guys want to continue to do what they do and don't want to become political pawns in Obama's game for re-election!

3. No, they are not called freaking "Special Forces Team 6"! (People like you make me want to kill kittens!)

The Senate Resolution (#159 - passed 97-0)) does not provide details of the mission or name any names or say anything that would ruin any careers. Its a simple recognition of a job well done by all involved.

Get a grip, man.

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:15 PM

Bottom line. Leave them alone. Stop trying to co-opt this event for political gain and for Obama's next election. Most people see through that BS. Note it as historical event. Don't ask questions. And move on about your business. There are new fish to fry.

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730835)
Get a grip, man.

No you get a grip. Leave the issue alone and move on about your business. You have no right or need to know shit. These people do not want or need your political bs.

Fair&Balanced 05-04-2011 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 730836)
Bottom line. Leave them alone. Stop trying to co-opt this event for political gain and for Obama's next election. Most people see through that BS. Note it as historical event. Don't ask questions. And move on about your business. There are new fish to fry.

The best way to note it as an historical event is in form of a resolution in the Congressional Record.

Damn.

monster 05-04-2011 10:19 PM

OK, I know nothing about this business but I've been told I'm a bleeding heart liberal.... and yet it appears I'd be expelled from the bleeding heart business if I said I want the government to get the fuck on with passing bills that help with the current economical situation and stop efffing about with passing bills that are essentially proclamations on done deals....

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730838)
The best way to note it as an historical event is in form of a resolution in the Congressional Record.

Damn.

Oh, yea, just in case someone were to frigging forget. Now you get a grip. That is nothing more than political BS spin. I can name a hundred military milestones that got no such recognition.

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 730840)
OK, I know nothing about this business but I've been told I'm a bleeding heart liberal.... and yet it appears I'd be expelled from the bleeding heart business if I said I want the government to get the fuck on with passing bills that help with the current economical situation and stop efffing about with passing bills that are essentially proclamations on done deals....

:thumb:

Fair&Balanced 05-04-2011 10:21 PM

Wow.

Ten minutes to say "thanks guys" for the historical record is just too much.

ps
At the same time that Committees are doing the work of crafting and developing legislation. Multi-tasking.

monster 05-04-2011 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730844)
Wow.

Ten minutes to say "thanks guys" for the historical record is just too much.

Well you posted as I was posting and I did note that I knew nothing about it....

really? only 10 minutes?

Fair&Balanced 05-04-2011 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by monster (Post 730846)
Well you posted as I was posting and I did note that I knew nothing about it....

really? only 10 minutes?

Its written in advanced, agreed upon in advance, read on the floor, no debate, then voted on.

Jill 05-04-2011 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 730832)

AND you don't know who actually did the mission do you? Fool.

Yes, I do. Just because I use shorthand on the internet, doesn't mean I'm stupid.

The team that carried out this mission were Joint Special Operations Command Navy SEALs, officially called Naval Special Warfare Development Group, but more commonly referred to as SEAL Team Six.

Now, would you like to show us that you know what a Resolution is, and how this particular resolution would:

1. Expose to the public a "God Damm thing that goes on during these missions. . . details [or] arm chair quarterbacking bull shit."

2. [Ruin] these peoples careers by giving them recognition." Prevent them from the ability "to continue to do what they do and [not] become political pawns in Obama's game for re-election!"

I'll even give you a hint. Here's the Resolution:

http://bennet.senate.gov/newsroom/pr...F-02A602F3BB10

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730844)
Wow.

Ten minutes to say "thanks guys" for the historical record is just too much.

ps
At the same time that Committees are doing the work of crafting and developing legislation. Multi-tasking.

That is why political pukes don't understand. Leave them alone. They don't want recognition. They don't get or expect medals. They don't want to meet with Obama. Do any of you understand what the hell clandestine or secret actually means? This action is about to totally fuck these peoples careers and take them away from what they love to do.

monster 05-04-2011 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730847)
Its written in advanced, agreed upon in advance, read on the floor, no debate, then voted on.

So the people writing it in advance etc... what would they be doing otherwise, and how long does all the agreement process take?

monster 05-04-2011 10:27 PM

Is it really, actually going to name them?

Aliantha 05-04-2011 10:28 PM

Merc, was that your old unit? I saw someone mention it somewhere else in one of the other threads. I was just wondering.

I'm assuming that if it was, then you'd be in a position to say what the men in the unit might and might not want. Right?

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jill (Post 730848)
Yes, I do. Just because I use shorthand on the internet, doesn't mean I'm stupid.

The team that carried out this mission were Joint Special Operations Command Navy SEALs, officially called Naval Special Warfare Development Group, but more commonly referred to as SEAL Team Six.

Now, would you like to show us that you know what a Resolution is, and how this particular resolution would:

1. Expose to the public a "God Damm thing that goes on during these missions. . . details [or] arm chair quarterbacking bull shit."

2. [Ruin] these peoples careers by giving them recognition." Prevent them from the ability "to continue to do what they do and [not] become political pawns in Obama's game for re-election!"

I'll even give you a hint. Here's the Resolution:

http://bennet.senate.gov/newsroom/pr...F-02A602F3BB10

I don't give a shit what you think.

You are wrong.

This is BS.

It is going to do nothing more than turn them into political pawns for Obama. These people worked their whole lives for these operations. They don't need this BS.

Oh, and I see you let Google be your friend and you finally got the unit right....:rolleyes:

Fair&Balanced 05-04-2011 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 730850)
So the people writing it in advance etc... what would they be doing otherwise, and how long does all the agreement process take?

I would guess a staff person wrote it. One party leader's staff calls the other party's staff person, they both agree on it and take it to their party caucus lunch . Someone reads it while they eat their Navy Bean Soup so every member can hear it and its a done deal and in the Congressional Record.

monster 05-04-2011 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jill (Post 730848)

I agree that doesn't name anyone we don't already know about

monster 05-04-2011 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730854)
I would guess a staff person wrote it. One party leader's staff calls the other party's staff person, they both agree on it and take it to their party caucus lunch. Someone reads it while they eat their Navy Bean Soup and its a done deal and in the Congressional Record.

yah, waste of time. Guess it's the foreigner in me.

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:33 PM

Yea, all the more reason not to do it.

Fair&Balanced 05-04-2011 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 730856)
yah, waste of time. Guess it's the foreigner in me.

I'll leave that to historians of the future who rely on resolutions printed in the Congressional Record to get a sense of what happened in the past.

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730854)
I would guess a staff person wrote it.

Speaks to most of the BS that comes out of that dysfunctional group of whores.

Jill 05-04-2011 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 730840)

OK, I know nothing about this business but I've been told I'm a bleeding heart liberal.... and yet it appears I'd be expelled from the bleeding heart business if I said I want the government to get the fuck on with passing bills that help with the current economical situation and stop efffing about with passing bills that are essentially proclamations on done deals....

Then you might be interested to know that instead of passing a Resolution recognizing the success of this mission, House Republicans (and 16 anti-choice Democrats) passed H.R. 3, which attempts to redefine rape as it pertains to abortion and effectively raises taxes on women and small businesses by "prevent[ing] women from using “itemized medical deductions, certain tax-advantaged health care accounts or tax credits included in last year’s health care law to pay for abortions or for health insurance plans that cover abortion.” In doing so, the bill forces women and small businesses that provide health insurance that covers abortion to pay more in taxes than they would otherwise. Both economic conservative Grover Norquist and the South Carolina Chamber of Commerce noted that the bill is basically a tax increase."

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/04/house-gop-hr3/

Yay for "real work".
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Originally Posted by monster (Post 730846)

really? only 10 minutes?

Yep, only 10 minutes. That gargantuan nightmare called Medicare Part D was only open to voting for 15 minutes. Well, except that when the Republicans saw that they didn't have the votes and the bill had failed, they held the vote open for 3 hours (at 3AM, no less) while they threatened their members and posted guards at the doors so they couldn't leave the floor.

But they don't have 10 minutes to recognize the brave men who risked their lives to rid us of the Most Wanted terrorist leader on the planet.

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730858)
I'll leave that to historians of the future who rely on resolutions printed in the Congressional Record to get a sense of what happened in the past.

Oh yea, they will get a LOT out of those details now won't they! Not. It is so frigging vague it is laughable. A feel good resolution to make them look like they are doing something important.

monster 05-04-2011 10:36 PM

You Americans sure like your official seals, titles and paperwork. I forgot that. For a moment. I will not ever forget what happened there, I will never look to a congressional record to remind me. I seriously doubt that without such a resolution to record the incident, it will be lost in history, but maybe it will be seen as more important to my grandchildren if that record exists?

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jill (Post 730860)
Then you might be interested to know that instead of passing a Resolution recognizing the success of this mission, House Republicans (and 16 anti-choice Democrats) passed H.R. 3, which attempts to redefine rape as it pertains to abortion and effectively raises taxes on women and small businesses by "prevent[ing] women from using “itemized medical deductions, certain tax-advantaged health care accounts or tax credits included in last year’s health care law to pay for abortions or for health insurance plans that cover abortion.” In doing so, the bill forces women and small businesses that provide health insurance that covers abortion to pay more in taxes than they would otherwise. Both economic conservative Grover Norquist and the South Carolina Chamber of Commerce noted that the bill is basically a tax increase."

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/04/house-gop-hr3/

Yay for "real work". Yep, only 10 minutes. That gargantuan nightmare called Medicare Part D was only open to voting for 15 minutes. Well, except that when the Republicans saw that they didn't have the votes, they held the vote open for 3 hours (at 3AM, no less) while they threatened their members and posted guards so they couldn't leave the floor.

But they don't have 10 minutes to recognize the brave men who risked their lives to rid us of the Most Wanted terrorist leader on the planet.

Well I am sure ST6 would be really interested to know that! Well done!

Fair&Balanced 05-04-2011 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 730861)
Oh yea, they will get a LOT out of those details now won't they! Not. It is so frigging vague it is laughable. A feel good resolution to make them look like they are doing something important.

Can you be more petty?

Its not a matter of details but the highest legislative body in the country saying for the Record, "job well done" to all involved.

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730864)
Can you be more petty?

Can you be more stupid?

monster 05-04-2011 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jill (Post 730860)
Yep, only 10 minutes. .

No time in the background?

monster 05-04-2011 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730858)
I'll leave that to historians of the future who rely on resolutions printed in the Congressional Record to get a sense of what happened in the past.

But that is not the only way history is written (thank FSM)

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730864)
Its not a matter of details but the highest legislative body in the country saying for the Record, "job well done" to all involved.

They don't give a shit.

Fair&Balanced 05-04-2011 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 730867)
But that is not the only way history is written (thank FSM)

It is the only official record of Congress.

monster 05-04-2011 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 730867)
But that is not the only way history is written (thank FSM)

...at least not in most of the world/eras.... although it does lend weight to history being written by the victors

monster 05-04-2011 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730869)
It is the only official record of Congress.

so what? maybe congress needs to be more broad-minded/well-read?

monster 05-04-2011 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730869)
It is the only official record of Congress.

...you're starting to sound a little 1984

Jill 05-04-2011 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 730853)

I don't give a shit what you think.

You are wrong.

This is BS.

It is going to do nothing more than turn them into political pawns for Obama. These people worked their whole lives for these operations. They don't need this BS.

Oh, and I see you let Google be your friend and you finally got the unit right....:rolleyes:

No Google. Not wrong. Not BS. Your hysteria notwithstanding.

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730869)
It is the only official record of Congress.

And no one cares..... NO ONE.

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jill (Post 730873)
No Google. Not wrong. Not BS. Your hysteria notwithstanding.

Ok, you just believe whatever the hell you want to believe. Fool.

Really? I mean really?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jill (Post 730818)
a Resolution in honor of the Special Forces Team 6 that took out the Most Wanted Man in the world?


Big Sarge 05-04-2011 10:43 PM

guys you need to listen to merc. he has been there and done that in real life. he speaks with the heart of a soldier. btw, merc is a retired field grade officer from jsoc. he more than likely personally knows personnel involved in this mission.

no politician took out bin laden. it was the guys on the ground who had the balls to squeeze the trigger. now i will climb down off my soap box and return to harassing the elderly

Fair&Balanced 05-04-2011 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 730871)
so what? maybe congress needs to be more broad-minded/well-read?

Huh?

It is not a matter of what the present Congress reads but as part of a single source of all Congressional actions, every speech, every debate, ever vote for all to read, now and in the future.

monster 05-04-2011 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jill (Post 730860)
Then you might be interested to know that instead of passing a Resolution recognizing the success of this mission, House Republicans (and 16 anti-choice Democrats) passed H.R. 3, which attempts to redefine rape as it pertains to abortion and effectively raises taxes on women and small businesses by "prevent[ing] women from using “itemized medical deductions, certain tax-advantaged health care accounts or tax credits included in last year’s health care law to pay for abortions or for health insurance plans that cover abortion.” In doing so, the bill forces women and small businesses that provide health insurance that covers abortion to pay more in taxes than they would otherwise. Both economic conservative Grover Norquist and the South Carolina Chamber of Commerce noted that the bill is basically a tax increase."

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/04/house-gop-hr3/
.

So are you saying the "legalise rape/ban abortion...." bill would not have passed if the mission recognition had passed?

Jill 05-04-2011 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 730863)

Well I am sure ST6 would be really interested to know that! Well done!

Ah, so your shorthand is ok (ST6), but mine isn't. Getting a clearer picture of you with every post. Keep 'em coming.
Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 730866)

No time in the background?

It's done. I linked to it and you read it. Why shouldn't Congress take a 10 minute vote and pass it?

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 730879)
So are you saying the "legalise rape/ban abortion...." bill would not have passed if the mission recognition had passed?

Polotfriggingtics.......... It was a political move. It had nothing to do with the said intent.

These people are blowing political smoke up your ass....

monster 05-04-2011 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730878)
Huh?

It is not a matter of what the present Congress reads but as part of a single source of all Congressional actions, every speech, every debate, ever vote for all to read, now and in the future.

Well shit, do they never read outside of the manual?

Jill 05-04-2011 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 730879)

So are you saying the "legalise rape...." bill would not have passed if the mission recognition had passed?

::scratches head::

Maybe I shouldn't have come back after all. Why do y'all seem to want to take me on?

No. I was pointing out to a fellow liberal that our wonderful Republican Congress doesn't have 10 minutes to recognize our nation's heroes, but they'll waste whatever time necessary to try to further damage women in this country. I find that disgusting. If that's the "real work" they're doing on my dime, I'd just as soon they go home. YMMV.

Fair&Balanced 05-04-2011 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Sarge (Post 730877)
guys you need to listen to merc. he has been there and done that in real life. he speaks with the heart of a soldier. btw, merc is a retired field grade officer from jsoc. he more than likely personally knows personnel involved in this mission.

no politician took out bin laden. it was the guys on the ground who had the balls to squeeze the trigger. now i will climb down off my soap box and return to harassing the elderly

These kinds of Thanks of Congress resolutions have been a practice since the American Revolution.

And Mercenary was completely clueless when he said it might compromise those guys on the ground.

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jill (Post 730883)
::scratches head::

Maybe I shouldn't have come back after all. Why do y'all seem to want to take me on?

No. I was pointing out to a fellow liberal that our wonderful Republican Congress doesn't have 10 minutes to recognize our nation's heroes, but they'll waste whatever time necessary to try to further damage women in this country. I find that disgusting. YMMV.

They had no intention of honoring said unit! It was a political ploy! The operation was being manipulated by a bunch of politicians for other means!

TheMercenary 05-04-2011 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced (Post 730884)
And Mercenary was completely clueless when he said it might compromise those guys on the ground.

Where did I say they would be "compromised on the ground"?


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