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Dieting...
I thought there was a thread for this, but I can't seem to find it so I'm starting a new one.
I have gained 50ish pounds in the last year and I need to seriously think about losing it. My doctor confirmed it for me. Yes I need to exercise, but I don't really have the money for a gym membership, and no access to a free one. Heavy exercise outside in Texas is not a great idea for me with my asthma, and it doesn't get dark soon enough (I need to go to bed early b/c of work). I can do light exercise, but that will probably be it for a while. So my main focus on weight loss will have to be diet. Now I have tried to go the generic, eat more fruit/veggies/low fats ect route...but I'm really not disciplined enough yet to stick to something so open to interpretation. I've heard really good things about both HCG and Weight Watchers, but am still skeptical...anyone have any thoughts on these? Maybe an alternative? I have a pretty hectic lifestyle and am not very self disciplined yet, so I need baby steps and simple diet plans. I should also mention that one change I've decided to make already is to temporarily suspend my use of birth control pills since those can cause you to gain/keep you from losing. So I'm hoping that may help but I'm not sure if some of the other drugs I'm on have the same side effect...maybe I should look into that. |
Upon further scrutiny....HCG just does not look very safe or reliable.
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Has anyone used Alli? The side effects sound pretty awful.
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Maybe Jim can give you some tips. He's had massive weight loss lately.
I think the big thing is to cut out all fats other than what's found naturally in the foods you eat, and limit the amount of dairy and simple carbs. Lots of green veges, high fibre cereals and grains and lean meat and fish. That being said, I'm a fatty too. lol I know what I'm supposed to do, but I just don't do it. I have to get serious though. Doc told me so. |
Ugh...I know I know. Creeps up over the winter, then I'm depressed half the spring.
I think BigV tried Alli, mtp. So many of the supplements, if you follow the guidelines that come with the supplement, you don't really need the supplement. They are the common-sense things that seem to take forever that really make a difference. For example: chromium picolinate 1)Take 400 mcg of chromium picolinate daily with meals, preferably before working out. Alternatively, you may take a pure chromium supplement every day with meals before exercise. Taking chromium with orange juice or other foods rich in vitamin C helps your body absorb the chromium. 2) Increase your chances for losing weight with chromium picolinate by incorporating 30- to 60-second rest periods between exercises during your workouts. 3) Increase the intensity of your aerobic exercise periodically for up to a minute during your workouts. These occasional "sprints" have been shown to burn much more fat than "steady state" exercising. Chromium picolinate is thought to enhance this effect. 4) Train with weights at least twice a week when using chromium picolinate. Chromium's effect on metabolism is stronger when the supplement is coupled with strength training. 5) Increase the amount of broccoli, green beans, whole grains, peanut butter, plums, tree nuts and potatoes that you eat during the week to safely and naturally increase your body's supply of chromium. |
Yup to that.
Pretty much every wight loss product ad includes the disclaimer "... in conjunction with a calorie-controlled diet and regular exercise". Could it be that it is these two things which cause weight loss, and the special product mostly lightens your wallet? In seriousness, try the diet and exercise before you get into special weight loss products, pills, foods etc. Cheaper, and fewer side effects. Disclaimer: I have never attempted to lose weight. |
Try not to want this quickly, mpt, otherwise you will only be frustrated.
Slowly start the No/Yes diet. Figure out the things you want out of your diet and slowly stop eating them - its like quitting smoking, it takes time. Then slowly add in the good high fiber and veggie stuff. Adding in more activity is important. You cant take walks outside at all? Cuz a daily walk really helps in more ways than one. How 'bout an exorcize video? |
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What i would recommend is that you take the time to plan your meals each day, eat 4 or 5 small meals (less than 300 calories) per day, get enough sleep, and exercise. Drink water, not diet coke, and avoid caffeine ....also, it's a good idea to take one day per week off of your diet. For one thing, it gives you something to look forward to, so that you don't feel deprived, and it shocks your system out of starvation mode. it really is that simple. |
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I didn't go through a divorce per se, but an ex did kick me out of his apartment. In the month that I was trying to figure out living/job arrangements and dealing with heartache, I went from 115 to 95. Mostly because I was surviving on not much more than coffee and cigarettes.
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Sheryl gets it...:D
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Pooka had success with the HCG thing, but that isn't cheap either iirc. Daily walk. If it's too hot outside, go into the malls. Take a buddy you don't get enough time to chat to. Or some really good music you don't get enough time to listen to. Main problem with exercise plans is they are just so boring......
Look on craiglist or somewhere for a free/cheap eliptical. Don't drink shitloads of beer. that's my main downfall. |
grumble grumble stupid beer grumble grumble
It's not FAIR! I like beer! |
I have an elliptical but no where for it here. I can take walks in late evening, just nothing to heavy. Unfortunately it'll soon be 90F even at 8pm. Drinking is not a big issue here, and I've already switched to mostly water. Sometimes I need coffee though.
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Do you have stairs in your house? You'd be amazed at how much exercise is involved in walking fast/running up and down the staircase four or five times in a row. Intermittently drop a few 'laps' into your day and it can make quite a difference.
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I have heard the HCG can be very successful from others as well. I would have a hard time with it, because I wouldn't really know how to maintain after I lost all the weight. But a lot of people do it.
Really, it is all about getting the right amount of fuel (calories.) Not too much and not too little. When you add exercise to it, you get to have more fuel. |
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Dating/living with him was a big factor in the weight gain I think. I drank a lot more alcohol, started drinking sodas again (I had not been drinking them for a few years), and was always eating out ect. Living with my sis should cut down on all of that. I am still sick a lot though. I've been going on regular walks with my dog since I got her, so I get light exercise, but alas I have no stairs. The problem with cutting down on calories, is the hunger, I just don't deal with it well. I'm like my dad, I get extremely cranky, shaky and weak. Thats why I was thinking of using something like HCG that is supposed to help with that. The warnings are just kinda scary, ya know? My sis in law tried it, but then again she does all the fad diets whether she really needs to or not. Baring using an aid like that, I at least need a tool to help me plan my meals at least. I am not a very organized person. I mean, I try now, but I can't ever make up my mind and end up spending way too much money and time at the store. I think I can maintain after I lose it, I've never been even close to being this heavy in my life. |
I deal with the hunger by getting beest to chop up a whole shitload of celery for me to munch on when I need a snack. It needs to be beest because then I feel guilty if I want to snack and don't eat that when he went to the effort and it's all there and waiting....
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Its at my mom and dad's, they're supposedly using it. No there is nowhere outside for it, and I can't really exercise heavily outside in the heat anyway.
I don't have someone to chop up celery for me so I'm SOL on that. |
If hunger is the problem, (rather than just the craving for tastes), there are things you can easily do to combat that. Eating wholemeal bread, or oat-based foods gives a slow release energy and makes you feel fuller for longer than if you had the same calorific values from other foods. That's why they make good breakfasts and suppers. It's worth doing a little research on what foods will make you feel fuller and which will last longer.
Also, have you tried miso soup? It's bizarrely filling for such a thin, drink-like soup. It's available (I assume over there as well as here) in instant soup sachets, so easy enough to carry a couple of sachets with you for a mid-aft snack (for instance). Another good trick, if you're feeling hungry, is to try drinking a decent size glass of water or fruit juice, fairly fast. Then leave it 10 minutes and see if you still feel as hungry. Jim's advice (think was Jim) about smaller meals but more often is excellent. It will train your body to accept smaller food quantities and also retrain your brain on the 'full/hungry' signals. Only stopping eating when you feel full is one of the easiest habits to fall into ad the ones most likely to lead to eventual weight gain. If you wait til you actually feel full, then you are pushing your stomach's limits every time. Much better to have a smaller meal and accept a less than completely full feeling at the end of it. Chances are if you wait 15 minutes you'll feel full. It just takes that amount of time for it all to register. |
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The thing about feeling hungry is, unless you have one of a few rare conditions where your chemical hunger signals are truly screwed up (and you'd know it if you did,) your body's hunger signals are generated not by quantity of food, but by quantity of nutrients. You can trick it in the short-term with high quantities of glucose, or just simply high quantities of everything, because when your stomach is too physically full it does release chemicals that override the chemicals from your brain... but you will soon return to being hungry because your body knows it hasn't gotten what it needs yet. I know eating healthy food sucks. But if you were eating mostly veggies, I swear to you that you would not be as hungry, because your body would be getting everything it needed and would quit nagging you. I hate meal-planning with a passion as well. You need to do like Dani said, keep yourself stocked with one or two healthy snacks and don't allow yourself to deviate from them. That way you're not tempted at every turn. Packets of miso are a great idea, although you want to watch the salt and fat content, choose a high-quality brand. Apples with peanut butter are another really filling, and really healthy snack. Just buy a whole bag of apples and eat one whenever you're hungry. |
Getting wholegrain rather than white bread and rice is also a biggie. Same with pasta. Most white flour has been processed in such a way as to strip most of the nutrients from it. It's one of the things that allows for longer product storage (makes it unpalatable for weavils for one thing ;p). So, as Clod says, you can physically fill up on it by making your stomach override the brain, but you'll quickly feel hungry again. You won't find that nearly as much if you stick to the less processed wholegrain/brown varieties of cereal and grain foods (aside from the benefits of natural dietary fibre).
I'm trying to eat healthier at the moment. I can't say I am entirely successful thus far. I haven't quite managed to remove the sweets and biscuits and cakes from my diet...but I find if I make myself have fruit as a snack the first time I want something sweet, I can stave off the dangerous stuff til later, and therefore end up eating far less of it. |
The key to controlling hunger is balance. Every snack or meal should be composed of a good lean protein, a good (high fiber/low-glycemic) carbohydrate, and a good fat (almonds, olive oil). And you should try to eat every 4 hours or so. This will eliminate a lot of cravings and the low blood sugar crazy/shaky attacks.
This is basically the Zone Diet and I SWEAR by it. It does take a lot of effort to get into and maintain, but it is totally worth it. Everything is improved by it...your health and mental outlook especially. |
I did something along those lines a few years ago. Probably not as well worked out as that, but very similar. It did make a hell of a difference. But I eventually slipped back into my usual eating habits (famine and feast).
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Me too Dana, but for me all it took was getting married. It was easy to maintain when I lived alone...I turned it into my religion. I really did feel great and I never looked better. Now, I cant say that. (I hate having to cook for other people...grumble, grumble)
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Small meals throughout the day just ain't gonna happen. Not at work, which I've been pulling 10hr shifts at (thats the most I'm gonna do). I haven't even been taking lunch breaks we've been so busy. Can't eat and talk on the phone, and if I do try it anyway it has to be shoveled in as fast as possible...I'd rather just skip.
Hunger and cravings are both awful, I can crave something for weeks until I finally give in. If I drink more water than I already do, I'd be Niagara Falls, I'm constantly thirsty. I know all the "right" ways to eat ect ect. My issue is, is that I need a plan. I'm too scattered and indecisive to make my own. Plus if I make my own I'll want to sneak in all of these cheats that will just add up. I need something tells me "this is what you can eat and how much of it and THATS IT!" I can maintain my weight well most of the time, its losing it that is an issue. I do want to lose quickly, if I gained 50lbs in less than a year, than I need to lose it in less than a year. I'm not sure how much of a role my thyroid played, but I never had hypothyroidism. The HCG diet is tempting, I'm just worried about the possible dangers especially with my thyroid issue. I might call my endocrinologist on Monday and see what he recommends, he does deal with diabetics too and with my dad being diabetic (but in denial) then it might not be a bad idea for me to start eating like one. |
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I ate breakfast and lunch today, although they weren't great. |
I'll talk about the diet later when I have more time. As for exercise, I've got plenty of exercise dvds that I can send copies for you. ;) I'll get into more of what kinds of exercise later. Just something for you to think about. Yeah, I understand the TX heat. That is why I jog at 6 or 6:30 in the morning. :p:
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I've been avoiding this thread from the sheer guilt of being off the wagon diet-wise.
I've been on Alli - it does keep you honest. It's just so expensive over here. Yes, the side effects are hideous, but I never encountered them - I stuck to a low fat diet, small meals and got on really well. DON'T COME OFF BIRTH CONTROL! The weight gain is negligible compared to factorslike fat intake and exercise. I've been down to 122 lbs (very skinny on my 5'8" frame) on contraception. Giving up alcohol would have a far greater effect on your health all round. I'm with Dani on the Slim-Fast shakes. Missing meals does NOT help you lose weight, until you have pared your calorie intake down to the level of a ballet dancer (ie one apple and a handful of beansprouts a day). I know. I've tried every diet known to man, and made up a few of my own. I've lost and gained enough weight to make a couple of other people by now. This does not make me successful, it just means I know a lot about weightloss. It's my mental approach to dieting that makes me gain it back every time, not the way I've lost it. To do it healthily, it's not a bad idea to join a club. Just be aware it can cost a lot of money and many of them are really quite patronising. An intelligent woman might be better off doing it online. And re exercise - LOTS you can do in your house! I lack the drive, personally. But second hand exercise DVDs, stairs, like Dani says, or even just dancing or jogging on the spot. Toning exercises also burn calories and have a noticeable effect very quickly. Yoga too - you need very little space for that and it can make you a real hardbody if you get into it. Good luck MTP. You're very beautiful. If you feel you need to do this, it can only improve your appearance, because you will be happier inside. |
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And no, I'm not dragging myself out of bed any earlier to exercise...I don't like the dark as it is and early morning is the scariest. |
Mpt....you have really boxed yourself in when it comes to solutions, you know that right?
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Not sure that's completely fair, Pico.
Many people offered me diet advice over the years, and very little suited me/ my lifestyle. MTP is asking for help BECAUSE she doesn't fit the standard diet lifestyle. The tips that fit helped me enormously, but that was not a large percentage. For example I was advised not to spend 30 mins on an exercise bike every day, but to go out on a real bike. I did not have one. I could not afford one. I lived in London - not an ideal environment for cyclists, especially not those with confidence issues. The exercise bike sessions did make a significant impact on my weight loss. On the other hand I was advised if I couldn't stomach breakfast, to have a chilled can of meal replacement or a pint of skimmed milk. Both worked wonders and stopped me having a high fat lunch. Horses for courses. |
I know. I'm just trying to get her out of it. I suffer from the same thing. I have so many "I cants'" in my way that I stifle myself from doing anything...until I start overcoming them.
Changing dietary habits for the better is really hard to do. Sorry if I was harsh mpt....:o |
I kinda agree with Pico. It isn't going to happen without some unpleasantness and effort. If getting slim were easy, there would be no fatties.
You have to make time to exercise and make it work and you have to make time to put more thought into your diet. So it's dark outside if you get up early -work out inside..... You gotta stop saying no can do, that won't work.... and start looking for ways to make it work. |
The fact that I'm even trying to diet/exercise more/lose weight is kinda a big step in of itself. I usually don't try, I just deal with being me. No, I'm not getting up at 3am to exercise in the dark, I cannot do any more than walk anyway, I have a fucked up knee and the doc said "no running." Thats the doctor's orders. I need access to an elliptical, but I don't. So light walking it is. I CAN do that.
I CAN diet, but I cannot make my own plan. Its not just about time, its about talent, and planning meals is something I sorely lack talent for. Add in trying to make them healthy? Not gonna happen. If I could do that, I wouldn't be asking for diet plans now would I? I'm not you. If you've used a specific diet plan that helped you out, then please comment. If you're gonna analyze my attitude about it, you can comment all you want to, but you're wrong. |
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ETA - the Zone can be really intimidating because it divides portions into blocks, like the way weight watchers does points, sort of. Just KISS and only pay attention to the food choices. If you have the time, though, you can really learn a lot about how what you eat affects your insulin levels, metabolism and moods. Its a great education. |
Thanks Pico. Its goin on the list.
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Sorry if I came off as a bit snappy monsta (I made your name gansta like you) and pico. I re-read it and that was probably more harsh sounding than I meant.
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Exercise? More :doit: .
Had to be said. Move along. Serious point. Avoid "Diet" cola drinks with artificial sweeteners. That shit screws with your brain's hunger control centre, and sabotages your body's ability to feel full. Question: don't you get meal breaks at work? 10 hours straight? Even in Japan the maximum without a break is 6, and in Orrrstra-ya it is 5. |
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MPT - no problem, hon. |
Blah, I'm always late to a thread. :rolleyes: Well, most of what I wanted to say has already been said. :p: Now, as for exercising, I was offering you exercise DVDs. If it's tough for you to go outside, then do it inside. I do that all the time. I'm not sure what would be good for a messed up knee though. You know, if you want to do something about your weight and health, you just gotta get down and do it. I know how you feel though. I hated exercising. Heck, I still have to MAKE myself exercise. Let me come back with a list of what I have and you ask your doctor what you can do with that knee of yours. As for diet, heck, I definitely know what you mean. I have so self-control nor discipline. Do you know what I eat when I'm serious about losing weight? A quasi Atkins. I said quasi cuz it's not true Atkins, but I say I'm on Atkins so I'd restrict my diet. I cut all junk food -- candy, cookies, chips, etc. No fast food, no bread, pasta, rice, etc. I eat lean chicken, beef, pork with lots of salad! Here's the cheat: I eat spring roll and all sorts of rolls. Do you know what a Vietnamese spring roll is? Look it up so I won't have to type too much. :p: Okay, I'm gonna write more later cuz I'm getting lazy now. :neutral::p::blush:
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Artificial sweeteners ---> :greenface
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MTP: If you don't mind letting us know your schedule, I think someone would be able to give more realistic suggestions to your needs. Nothing specific, just a general idea so we would know when you're busy and when you can make time to exercise and how you could incorporate the diet into your hectic lifestyle. You just sound busy to me. Work and school is hectic. :p: If you've already figured a way that may work for you already, then nevermind. :p:
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a) meal replacement type drink in cup-with-a-lid (or miso soup in insulated cup) on your desk, sip regularly b) cut up apple (what other fruit/ vegetable appeals to you in this way? Carrot? Banana? Grapes ...) in box to be nibbled when possible. If you get a break (surely you should get a couple in a ten hour shift?) then try to make sure you do eat (something sensible) at that point, even if you don't want to. It is true that not eating for ten hours is going to drive you straight to the fast-food joint on your way home ... |
OK MTP... I don't recommend HCG unless you are hardcore about it and it doesn't sound like you would be able to dedicate yourself as needed. I lost 55lbs and have kept 50lbs of it off... I haven't dieted since November. I still feel like I could stand to lose another 40 lbs or so, but I am going to do it without a diet. I contemplated doing another round, but I loss muscle as well as fat and HAIR (which freaked me out). The main reason however, is I decided I don’t want my daughter to see me dieting anymore. I do not want her to develop food issues.
I took a fitness class this semester at our area community college which requires me to work out for 1hr and 20 mins twice a week. I knew if there was a grade involved I would stick with it. I am a binger and haven’t been great about controlling my intake, but I have to give myself some credit for at least balancing it with physical exertion. I am making an effort to only have carbs that are low glycemic, high fiber etc. I literally ridded the house of any white sugar, flour etc. I do not buy processed foods… not even yogurt or flour… I make my own. I try to eat 60% raw at every meal… including breakfast. If I do not think I will have time to eat I bring a protein shake with me into which I add berries, mint, and spinach. Or as Limey suggests I bring veggies and fruit chopped up to snack on. Raw food is the original fast food. Don’t get me wrong I pig out from time to time, but not in my home… which helps me limit that behavior. I am trying to pick my P90X up again… if you would like to make a copy PM me or Flint. Here is my favorite workout… it requires no gym and it will kick your ass. CIRCUIT TRAINING INSTRUCTIONS Complete the following calisthenics in the order written and with LITTLE or NO REST in between laps / exercises. • 3 Laps • Push-ups (exercise 1) • 2 Laps • Crunches (exercise 2) • 2 Laps • Squats (exercise 3) • 2 Laps • Cross Crunches (exercise 4) • 2 Laps • Lunges (exercise 5) • 2 Laps • Push-ups (exercise 1 again) • 2 Laps • Crunches (exercise 2 again) • 2 Laps • Squats (exercise 3 again) • 2 Laps • Cross Crunches (exercise 4 again) • 2 Laps • Lunges (exercise 5 again) • 3 Laps |
You do 20 reps of each exercise... sorry I didn't mention above
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Track or ? |
Hmm, schedule. OK I'll try.
work: M, W, Th, F, Sat, Sun times: 6am till whenever class: T and Th times: 10-11:15am, drive to other campus, 1-2:15pm I also have Dr. appointments and Orthodontist appointments a lot of weeks. I am supposed to get breaks, I could take them, but if I did, then we would have no one competent working. Well, maybe 1 other competent person. I just feel guilty for doing it, and I'm so busy anyway I forget. Unless I have to pee which is sometimes 1x an hour. Only 2 classes, but I have A LOT to catch up on. I am supposed to start physical therapy for my hip but I have not called them back. It does hurt a lot, I went on an extra long walk today and I'm already sore. Diet concerns: thyroid issue, sensitivity to hunger and cravings, emotional/binge eater, family get togethers, braces Diet goals: improve nutrition, lose weight Exercise concerns: bum knee (so no jogging/running), painful hip, painful back, asthma, heat/sun sensitivity, no available gym, don't want to exercise in front of BIL (whom I live with)....but then again, maybe I should make him and sis exercise with me.... Exercise goals: toning, weight loss Upcoming concerns: Surgery to remove thyroid - May 17 Florida trip - June 18th - 26 Need deviated septum fixed, hopefully this year, another surgery |
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