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Undertoad 12-04-2002 11:03 AM

12/4/2002: Sheep poetry
 
http://cellar.org/2002/sheeppoetry.jpg

Shown here is poet Valerie Laws. She is writing.

Well sorta. What she's doing is painting words on the backs of 15 sheep. After she's done, she'll climb to the top of a platform to see what poems the sheep create by milling around.

No, it's art. It's called the "Quantum Sheep project", had a $4000 (L2000) grant given to it by charity.

The ananova story

But apparently this picture is of a trial run or something, because the actual project is supposed to take place later. I'm not sure why they have to wait, or why it would cost money to paint words on the back of sheep and look at them from a platform. Frankly I think I could do it cheaper through technology, having taken a course on random number generation, but there is something interesting about having the process be organic.

And that's what the artist says too: "I feel this is an exciting project in which the landscape of the countryside connects with the inhabitants and creates organic poetry."

Hubris Boy 12-04-2002 11:35 AM

Ogg not understand.
Head hurt.
Why art woman paint on sheep?
Why? Why?
Griff will know.
We ask him now.
Feel better later.
Good. Good.

elSicomoro 12-04-2002 11:44 AM

Time for some cow meat on bread, eh? Or rather, mutton. :)

Griff 12-04-2002 11:57 AM

No offense intended Ogg, however, your simple mind may not comprehend this. Its too big. You see, its funded, it is significant. UT would have people develop art on their own time/dime, appalling. I did a similar quantum experiment with chickens. "from step get Oklahoma verdi time many" Random? Pay attention! I think not. Embrace it Ogg, you will FEEL better, other peoples art will give meaning to all your huntin' and gatherin'.

BubbleSculptor 12-04-2002 12:14 PM

Copy Cat
 
I just saw on CNN about a week ago a story on a guy who was doing black-and-white photography of words painted on cows.

Here's the link:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/Northeast....ap/index.html

I'm not sure if the lady copied him, or if he copied her....

elSicomoro 12-04-2002 12:18 PM

Okay, here's what I would now like to do for my next poem...a living breathing art project.

--First, I need some sort of grant...NEA, Penn, Villanova, Pew Charitable Trust, whatever...

--Second, I'm going to need 37 Cellar Dwellars. Each of you will be painted with a word. The grant will help to pay you a fee for your time and the mess you will endure.

--Third, I will gather all of you at LOVE Park (15th and JFK Blvd., across from City Hall).

--Fourth, I will play a moshable song (something by System of a Down or Ministry) and you will be forced to mosh in a cordoned-off area. The music will then stop at a random point to be decided by me.

--Wherever you're all standing in the end, that is what the poem will be.

These are the 37 words that will be used:

Duck
Chasing
Tampon
Pixy Stix
Fiend
Crucify
Peanuts
Butterscotch
Crawling
Lifting
Vagina
Lilies
Bowling
Turquoise
Matador
Is
Ain't
Try
Teach
Pilgrimage
Incubus
Stutter
Pornography
Sleeping
Chasing
Writhe
Rose
Liberty
Pencil
Telephone
Jerky
Hanger
Vengence
Discombobulated
Vegetable
Subsist
Diarrhea

Anyone willing to donate themselves or money, kindly contact me by PM.

wolf 12-04-2002 01:46 PM

I might help you here, but on two conditions...
 
1. I won't get nekked for your art. If you wish to get nekked for your art that's fine. I will try to keep the pointing and laughing to a minimum.

2. I wanna be "discombobulated".

Tobiasly 12-04-2002 05:27 PM

Re: 12/4/2002: Sheep poetry
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Undertoad
there is something interesting about having the process be organic
But they can simulate all that shit now. Simply get a sheep to wear one o' them motion-capture suits, then create dozens of CGI sheep. You'd have to program in their basic thought process and whatnot, but I bet it'd be a rather believable simulation.

warch 12-04-2002 06:29 PM

Well now. I will only participate in the cellar piece if I get to be naked, er... artistically nude, and imprinted as "bowling". The aesthetic randomness will have interpretive layers because, of course, my identity as "bowling" will effect my quality of movement. For instance I imagine I will want to spend much time in relation to, responding to, and in concert with the dynamics of "butterscotch". See, people *will* pay top dollar for this much fun. Virtual will not do. Ok, I'd be in as "vengance" too. I could tap into some unexplored emotional territory, but then "bowling" better watch out. Why look! I have a grant application right here...

Cam 12-04-2002 06:39 PM

I'm claiming "subsist" as my word right now. I would have went with "discombobulated" but sadly wolf already claimed that one.

Undertoad 12-04-2002 06:49 PM

I'm Sleeping.

Tobiasly 12-04-2002 06:55 PM

C'mon, you slackers. Someone has to be Diarrhea.

elSicomoro 12-04-2002 06:57 PM

For the record, I would like to state that I made no mention of nudity. :)

Griff has "matador."

Griff 12-04-2002 07:22 PM

Bushmills
 
Then you've agreed to my er... stipend?

elSicomoro 12-04-2002 07:27 PM

Shhh! Not in front of everybody else damnit!

Beletseri 12-05-2002 07:49 AM

I'm Is

That Guy 12-05-2002 10:23 AM

Few know this, but "Hey you, get off my Cloud" by the Stones was actually an old Scottish folk-tune, "Hey, McCloud, get off my Ewe!"

arz 12-05-2002 11:42 AM

OK, I'll take "diarrhea" but I am staying as close to wolf's "discombobulated" as I can during the mosh.

warch 12-05-2002 11:44 AM

Quote:

I'm Is
An E's mine.

Skunks 12-05-2002 12:11 PM

Is 'pornography' taken? I want it.

elSicomoro 12-05-2002 01:43 PM

Skunks, the word is yours.

Arz, hmmm...we'll see. (Side note to self: Tell wolf to keep running away from Arz.)

arz 12-05-2002 03:39 PM

Now, now...

I just think "discombobulated diarrhea" is not only amusing alliteration but also poetry on its own, and if we're all moshing together we'd be "poetry in motion."

:D

wolf 12-05-2002 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by arz
I just think "discombobulated diarrhea" is not only amusing alliteration but also poetry on its own, and if we're all moshing together we'd be "poetry in motion."


Technically, I think that would be poetry OF motion.

jeni 12-05-2002 04:46 PM

i think this sheep poetry idea is about the stupidest thing i have ever seen.

just commenting.

That Guy 12-05-2002 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by arz
Now, now...

I just think "discombobulated diarrhea" is not only amusing alliteration but also poetry on its own, and if we're all moshing together we'd be "poetry in motion."

:D

More like "poopetry in motion."

perth 12-05-2002 05:46 PM

please oh please can i have pixy stix?

~james

elSicomoro 12-05-2002 06:01 PM

Done.

Okay, so that everyone is squared away, here are the words that are left:

Duck
Chasing
Tampon
Fiend
Crucify
Peanuts
Butterscotch
Crawling
Lifting
Vagina
Lilies
Turquoise
Ain't
Try
Teach
Pilgrimage
Incubus
Stutter
Chasing
Writhe
Rose
Liberty
Pencil
Telephone
Jerky
Hanger
Vengence
Vegetable

wolf 12-05-2002 06:13 PM

I think you're going to have a hard time getting a taker for "tampon" ;)

One thing that might assist in making your art more "organic" in the medical sense ... (and it will reduce your budget significantly) would be to get a bunch o' bums ... uhhhh, I mean persons who are residentially and reality challenged who have issues with substance abuse and give them a buck each to mill around aimlessly.

You get used to the smell after the first couple minutes of exposure. Promise.

Strange as it may seem, the actions of Cellar Dwellars are nowhere near as random.

slang 12-05-2002 06:46 PM

<h4>Sycamore</h4>
All of you guys are going to downtown Philli.....and will be dancing around with words on your backs?

Yer gonna need some security from the natives ;) I can help you out with that. Does anyone faint at the sight of an AK-47?

I'll paint my face blue and wear a clear plastic suit, no one will fuck with us.

russotto 12-05-2002 07:19 PM

Well, I suppose I could take Liberty, but what fun would that be?

Set me up with Incubus!

wolf 12-05-2002 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slang


I'll paint my face blue and wear a clear plastic suit, no one will fuck with us.

I will pay good money to see that (probably in the course of posting your bail).

slang 12-05-2002 07:35 PM

No bail was required last time, I just had to surrender my weapon and chat softly with a nice calm man. His face was blue too.

slang 12-05-2002 07:42 PM

I'd also like to request 3 words.


Try....Teach(ing)....Vengence. Can I pay extra for all three?

I can be your "poetic" badguy.

Undertoad 12-05-2002 08:31 PM

Whoa... PAY for a WORD! I think we've found a funding scheme, here! Syc, will it be ruined by evil monetary commerce? (or improved?)

MaggieL 12-05-2002 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slang
I'd also like to request 3 words.

"Do" or "do not". There is no "try".

Or "spoon".

MaggieL 12-05-2002 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slang
[b]
I'll paint my face blue ...[b]
Ooooh! The Woad Warrior!!

wolf 12-05-2002 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Undertoad
Whoa... PAY for a WORD! I think we've found a funding scheme, here! Syc, will it be ruined by evil monetary commerce? (or improved?)
NO NO NO!!!

We don't want this to be a self-funded or patronage art project!!!!

What we need here is a grant from the National Endowment for the Arts!!

(Has anyone been saving buckets of urine? We'll need them for the grant application. By the time we get around to the actual project, there can always be a claim of change of artistic vision, and we won't use 'em. But the'll be essential for the application process. We might want to search attics for some religious iconography as well ...)

wolf 12-05-2002 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slang
[BI'll paint my face blue and wear a clear plastic suit, no one will fuck with us. [/b]
(*speaking in a very soft, even, calming tone of voice*)

Slang, the little blue pill is very important. You forgot that one again, didn't you?

elSicomoro 12-05-2002 09:58 PM

And the thread goes out of control, like the bulls in Pampalona.

Bad Slang! You do NOT get three words! Nor will there be any payments for words! Damnit, we're going to milk this sonofabitch for all it's worth. Here's a list of possible donors:

--NEA
--Drexel University (have you folks with Comcast cable in the Philadelphia area watched DUTV--Channel 55? Talk about some crazy shit!)
--University of Pennsylvania
--The Walter Annenburg/CPB Project
--Pew Charitable Trusts
--Big Ed (You're damned right I'm gonna hit Big Ed up for some dough...he's an attorney.)
--WYBE (Channel 35...maybe they'll show it on the station)
--Will Smith (He likes to invest in the hometown)

The security offer is nice and all, but I dunno slang...you strolling around with an AK-47 in Center City may be a bit off-putting to some folk. :)

jeni 12-06-2002 01:04 AM

Quote:

I think you're going to have a hard time getting a taker for "tampon"
it's mine, dammit.

Cam 12-06-2002 01:15 AM

Thank God somebody claimed it, I was worried I'd have to do it in a drunken state. :)

Griff 12-06-2002 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sycamore
The security offer is nice and all, but I dunno slang...you strolling around with an AK-47 in Center City may be a bit off-putting to some folk. :)
I believe Brian wants to bring a helicopter gunship, so slang could use that platform and remain out of sight.

That Guy 12-06-2002 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wolf
Strange as it may seem, the actions of Cellar Dwellars are nowhere near as random.
The sheep didn't get to pick what words they wanted to wear, so their actions are probably more random. Now if you teach a sheep to read organic poetry, then you have an art project worthy of my $.02.

slang 12-06-2002 10:21 AM

Quote:

you strolling around with an AK-47 in Center City may be a bit off-putting to some folk.

It has never bothered anyone before. What the hell did I get a Pa "firearms permit" for anyway?

The goal isn't to spook anyone anyway, I'll just hang out in the chopper with Brian. If I need to, I'll repell down a rope and blast off some "protective fire" for you guys.


How's that sound? :)

wolf 12-06-2002 12:54 PM

strangely comforting, given that I'll be moshing and unable to correctly assess threats and cover myself.

warch 12-06-2002 01:23 PM

Well, I still think you'll need a word...dangling from the rope overhead all blue and armed... how about "Jerky"? It has so many lovely layers of meaning.

slang 12-06-2002 01:34 PM

<h4>Warch</h4>
How about " Jerky hanger" ;)

warch 12-06-2002 02:53 PM

Syc has been pretty clear, if not downright touchy about individual participant word amounts! However, with Brian in the chopper you could maybe work out a little something- a jerky hanger or perhaps hanger jerky. (Homer voice) ummm, jerky.

elSicomoro 12-06-2002 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by warch
Syc has been pretty clear, if not downright touchy about individual participant word amounts!
Why don't you pipe down peanut gallery and fetch me that latte!

elSicomoro 12-06-2002 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slang
The goal isn't to spook anyone anyway, I'll just hang out in the chopper with Brian. If I need to, I'll repell down a rope and blast off some "protective fire" for you guys.


How's that sound? :)

Better. :) Remember, these are city folks...for some of them, it's an all-too familiar sound...for others, they'd shit all over themselves at the sound.

wolf 12-06-2002 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sycamore


Better. :) Remember, these are city folks...for some of them, it's an all-too familiar sound...for others, they'd shit all over themselves at the sound.

All right!! The inclusion of random feces explosions guarantees NEA grant status.

you will need a blow up of a mass card of an obscure saint, however (St. Dymphna, perhaps?), to place on the ground in your mosh pit.

slang 12-06-2002 08:12 PM

(glad I'm going to be in the chopper)

elSicomoro 12-06-2002 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wolf
you will need a blow up of a mass card of an obscure saint, however (St. Dymphna, perhaps?), to place on the ground in your mosh pit.
Oooh! Good idea wolf, but it can't be some obscure one...it has to be one that could get the Catholic church nice and riled up...and it has to be one that's well-known.

Why, St. Katharine Drexel...of course! That's brilliant!

BrianR 12-07-2002 11:27 AM

How did I get in this? Much less into a helicopter gunship?

My pilots license does not allow me to fly helicopters.
I can fly a C-130 "Spooky" gun platform though. Multi-engine operations aren't too hard to fudge, kinda like IFR operations (for which I am also not licensed)

Brian

slang 12-07-2002 11:37 AM

:( Thanks Brian, now I'm going to have to repel out of a balloon or some tall building

wolf 12-07-2002 01:20 PM

can it at least be a scary-looking black balloon? I don't think slang is a pastel rainbow kind o' guy ...

Torrere 12-08-2002 07:29 PM

Being on the other side of the country, I will most likely be unable to attend the event. Nonetheless, I demand "Turquoise".

You should definitely use pastel colors. Give slang a peach-and-apricot balloon. It will constrast nicely with the blue face.

Cam 12-08-2002 07:49 PM

Oh come on Torrere, how about a road trip. There is nothing better than the open road, a large selection of music, and thousands of miles between you and your destination.

MaggieL 12-08-2002 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BrianR

My pilots license does not allow me to fly helicopters.
I can fly a C-130 "Spooky" gun platform though. Multi-engine operations aren't too hard to fudge, kinda like IFR operations (for which I am also not licensed)

Oh? How much turbine time do you have? Do you know how to start one?

A herkybird has four... so you won't be too stressed if you lose one, I guess. :-)

<i>There's a story about the military pilot calling for a priority landing, because his single-engine jet fighter was running "a bit peaked". ATC told the fighter jock that he was number two, behind a B-52 that had one engine shut down. "Ah", the fighter pilot remarked, " The dreaded Seven-Engine approach".</i>

elSicomoro 12-08-2002 09:39 PM

Yeah Torrere...what Cam said. Plus, we'll hit all the bars on South Street, get sloppy drunk, make asses of ourselves, and eat cheesesteaks. :)


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