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footfootfoot 12-17-2010 01:32 PM

How Green Is Your Pencil?
 
Nifty?

http://www.re-nest.com/uimages/re-ne...perpencil2.jpg
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The P&P Office Waste Paper Professor turns paper into pencils when you add the lead, glue, and power. It also includes a pencil sharpener on the side. Designed by Chinese natives Chengzhu Ruan, Yuanyuan Liu, Xinwei Yuan and Chao Chen, this innovation has gained a lot of intrigue. What do you think?
http://www.re-nest.com/re-nest/hot-o...pencils-134924

By lead they mean graphite, but then China, who knows?

glatt 12-17-2010 01:38 PM

Why do they call it pencil "lead" anyway? I find it hard to believe that lead was ever used. Lead has been used in paint to make paint whiter, but I don't think lead makes a dark pigment at all. You would want a dark color coming from a pencil.

footfootfoot 12-17-2010 01:48 PM

They did use lead and other soft metals at one time. I did some silver and gold point in school.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverpoint

xoxoxoBruce 12-17-2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 700603)
Why do they call it pencil "lead" anyway? I find it hard to believe that lead was ever used. Lead has been used in paint to make paint whiter, but I don't think lead makes a dark pigment at all. You would want a dark color coming from a pencil.

You obviously haven't handled much lead, or lead oxide. Find an old fishing sinker or some shotgun shot, and you can write the great American novel.

HungLikeJesus 12-18-2010 10:05 AM

And why is "lead" spelled just like "lead"?

Griff 12-18-2010 10:13 AM

... because lead makes a nice leader.

glatt 12-18-2010 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 700610)
You obviously haven't handled much lead, or lead oxide. Find an old fishing sinker or some shotgun shot, and you can write the great American novel.

Interesting. This goes against my experience. I have handled plenty of lead, and it was all kind of dirty, but shiny just underneath.

footfootfoot 12-18-2010 12:16 PM

And the shininess oxides rapidly, so it would make the line dark rather quickly. See the wiki link for 'splanation.

Griff 12-18-2010 02:34 PM

Having recently removed the lead from my pencil, I'm feeling greener already.

xoxoxoBruce 12-18-2010 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 700738)
Interesting. This goes against my experience. I have handled plenty of lead, and it was all kind of dirty, but shiny just underneath.

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot (Post 700751)
And the shininess oxides rapidly, so it would make the line dark rather quickly. See the wiki link for 'splanation.

Take a pot of melted lead, the surface is all gray and crappy looking from the oxide. Now skim that oxide with a ladle, ooh, it's all shiny looking. But by the time you get the ladle all the way across the pot, and dump the oxide, the surface has gone gray again. It happens less quickly to solid lead, of course, but it won't be shiny very long.

Now if you write with lead oxide, the line won't be black like graphite, but gray. Strangely, if you write with it in Canada it won't be gray, but grey. :haha:

glatt 12-21-2010 11:46 AM

So with all this talk, I figured I'd look into the pencil and lead relationship.

According to wikipedia (I know, I know) graphite has been used in pencils since somewhere in the 1500's and 1600's.

Wikipedia claims that actual lead was never used in pencils, but there is no citation for that.

There is a mention of lead styluses being used on papyrus, but there is also no citation given for that.

But the interesting thing is that Wikipedia says that when graphite was discovered in the 1500's, the primitive chemists back then thought it was a form of lead. So they called graphite "lead." That's why pencils are said to have lead. It's simple ignorance passed down over the centuries.

footfootfoot 12-21-2010 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 701196)
It's simple ignorance passed down over the centuries.

Well, it's not the first time that has happened.;)

HungLikeJesus 12-21-2010 01:17 PM

Just ask the Indians.

Sundae 12-21-2010 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 701220)
Just ask the Indians.

I ask them whether they'll deliver curry within a three mile radius.
I usually like the answer.

xoxoxoBruce 12-22-2010 12:53 AM

Not those Indians, but you're proving his point.

TheMercenary 12-22-2010 07:15 AM

This could be a stage skit... :)

wolf 12-22-2010 10:06 AM

My preferred pencils are reusable. As an acknowledged geek, I'm a big mechanical pencil fan, so I just have to go out and buy a container of HB leads from time to time.

HungLikeJesus 12-22-2010 12:28 PM

There are some good mechanical pencil blogs and websites, like:
http://davesmechanicalpencils.blogspot.com/

busterb 12-22-2010 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 700776)
Having recently removed the lead from my pencil, I'm feeling greener already.

Hell. I haven't had any lead in my pencil for years.:smack:

MaggieL 01-03-2011 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf (Post 701371)
My preferred pencils are reusable. As an acknowledged geek, I'm a big mechanical pencil fan, so I just have to go out and buy a container of HB leads from time to time.

I was a geek mechanical pencil fan (Pentel 0.5mm preferred) back when I used coding forms before punching the cards...t'was easier to color inside the lines that way. Those days are over. My usual writing instrument these days is a tactical-finish Space Pen. When I need to write, which isn't often.

Surviving the coding-pad habit is the fact that I use "engineer's calculation pads" (mostly plain front, green gridded back) in the pad binder I carry into meetings to make it look like I'm doing something besides websurfing on my Android phone.

The green grid makes it easier to align my doodles.

I still have some flowcharting templates, too.

Hi guys. How y'all been? :-)

footfootfoot 01-03-2011 01:01 PM

Holy cats! there's a name you don't see every day. How's it going MaggieL?

Undertoad 01-03-2011 01:16 PM

Hey Mags, I spotted you posting at the Times-Herald!


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