Gravity Control by Laser
 

Hi everybody. My name is Mohammad Mansouryar & I like the idea of the faster-than-light travels. When I look at the night stars, I ask myself would we see someday that we could travel to those star systems & their galaxies?
There is no way that mankind could go those places with the limitations regarding the speed of light. Fortunately, there are physically meaningful methods to solve that problem. I mean two classes of solutions for the Einstein’s gravitational field equations in the general relativity theory, called the traversable wormholes and warp drives. Such solutions (especially wormholes) do allow one to make a shortcut in the fabric of spacetime to reduce the needed time of passing a distance between two remote points. Those are famous notions in sci-fi literature (movies/books …) and you can find many data on them as the text, image and video throughout the internet.

The basic obstacle with them, is the required energy; they need negative energy! As far as I know, there are two main approaches to generate the negative energy density in the literature. The Casimir effect and the squeezed vacuum effect. The Casimir effect is pretty well-known, but it is confined in the walls and cavities, while we need a remarkable amount of the negative energy in free space to engineer them rather easily.
Recently, I’ve released a preprint which I think that deserves to be considered as a solution candidate, or at least part of the solution. I believe we need to focus on the concept of transporting the targeted (negative) energy localized in space, to another region of the space. That seems appropriate with the squeezed vacuum caused by the laser beams. One tool for that goal might be the soliton theory. A soliton is a self-reinforcing solitary wave (a wave packet or pulse) that maintains its shape while it travels at constant speed.
An interesting feature about my paper is that its category is quantum physics (mostly because of the quantum vacuum energy implications), the framework is about the laser beams, most of the references are from nonlinear topics, and it tries to deal with a need in the gravity! So as you see, it’s quite dependent on various branches of physics and math. In my opinion, it could be verified in a proper lab by present technology and with ordinary cost.
I hope the scientific activities could help all to have more peace and a better life. As an example, I am Iranian and I applied five papers from an Israeli author, Boris A. Malomed et al, and found them useful for my work. I believe these affairs could help different nations to understand each other better and respect each other more. Not to mention if this “physics of distance reduction” would be realized, there would be no definite sense for the words like: nations, borders, and countries!
Good luck,
Source: http://www.gravitycontrol.org/blog/2...trol-by-laser/
P.S: Anyway, I thought it's a good idea to let you know the problem of necessity to the exotic matter for FTL travels has been moved one step forward toward its solution. I hope all the star trek science fans would find this interesting. Also, I hope a common wise of people would cause this innovation to be used in a good manner. :morncoff:

Welcome to the Cellar, mansouryar. :D
We don't ordinarily allow links in the first post but I'm making an exception, after checking them for spam, they seem integral with the subject matter.

The IP address checks out from Iran. Welcome mansouryar.

Welcome Mohammad Mansouryar, that is an impressive first post. Not sure why you chose us but, and I think I speak for all the dwellars, well some of the dwellars, ok actually I speak for squirell nutkin and myself ;) , we are honored. I will volunteer to try out the travel when my kids have grown up.

On an unrelated note:

I'm secretly in love with an Iranian woman. I guess I was secretly in love with an Iranian woman.

here is a link to a pdf of a q&a with Mansouryar. With illustrations of what he is talking about.
http://cllr.me/WMV

OK, I thought I was smart, but now after reading Mansouryars writings, well...let's just say I'm humbled.

Being able to understand only the basic concept, which has been touted in science fiction and comic books for years, I'll leave the determination of whether it's feasible, or bullshit, to experts.

xoxoxoBruce, Undertoad, footfootfoot, spudcon, :thankyou:
Thank you so much for the warm welcome. Well, I had found this forum at months ago while googling some interesting words and then I bookmarked here to deal with it at a right time later, but that affair took so much time. Since here seemed a good website to me, I decided to bring up my concerns with you members.
Based on my experiences, I don't think we can have a technical discussion on the related physics; so I think it would be cool to hear your opinions on the social ramifications of this technology instead. I mean the one I've devoted my life for that: Creating a Traversable Wormhole!

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That's cool! :thumb: Let me confess this for the first time: One great motivation for me to work on this research, was the love of a woman! In my dreams at the age of 16, I would kidnapped (or impressed) her (by this thing) to become my bride … :hugnkiss: as you know this has been the main reason for nearly all the great events in the history of mankind … :rolleyes:

Society isn't ready for an accomplishment of that magnitude. The ramifications far exceed those of the development of even something like the internet which governments already have difficulty regulating. It would be like using fractal patterns instead circular spherical boundaries for the holes in your plates.

I expect that nation states would commandeer such a project early in its development and that the private sector wouldn't realize any benefit until long after it became possible to do ... if ever.

I suspect you're right about nation states seizing control of that technology. Of course there would be a worm hole race... guaranteed Israel would steal it first, and the Russians would claim to have done it in the '50s. :haha:

I think you need to partner with the guys at google and wikipedia who are the most egalitarian of the big companies. Certainly don't want mainstream companies getting involved.

But seriously, I think a Cellar think tank considering this idea would be great. Let's leave aside the issue of government control or people not being ready and think about how life would be different if it were fait accompli.

Those damn Russkies are going to get a worm-hole gap on us!

A Red under your bed. :eek:

My guitarist's wife (soon to be ex) has an unlimited supply of negative energy.

I think society could handle FTL travel just fine. The sooner we discover other livable planets, the sooner we find the aliens that are similar to us and then we can take their money.

Hopefully they will have solved a lot of the messy problems we have here.

I think society would handle FLT but States are not going to be great supporters of uncontrolled use of it. Consider where we are with space travel since the go go sixties... :tinfoil:

sexobon, xoxoxoBruce, footfootfoot, ZenGum, Undertoad, Griff,
Thanks a lot for your comments. I want to know what can be done to make most good effects & least bad effects out of it …
It sounds sadly true …
If that could be realized, the definition of "nation" needs to be reconsidered IMHO. If people can reach to each other in blink of an eye, how can one define a border, country, … ?
The question is: Would be any big corporation interested/able to work on such a subject that could cause extreme military consequences to its locating country? Maybe secretly, however that requires a high courage … :right:
I hope we could contact to an intelligent alien civilization by this mechanism at last; but on the earth, any country could have another country's resources: gas, oil, water, gold, money …! :yelgreedy
I'm not an anarchist, but I believe those damn governments have suppressed many innovations to become public during the past years. The present space technology is pathetic, compared to what potentially that would be able to become … :mad:

A friend of mine pointed out to me that most of the technology we rely on daily are "hand-me-downs" from the military. Things like GPS, night vision, various optics, electronics, etc. are all born in the military.

That may be changing somewhat, as super large corporations are now much stronger, economically, than the government, but on the other hand, most of those corps are in some way related to the military.

I think one of the key things to think about is "What is at the destination?" FTL travel in and of itself may be cool, but after a while "driving around the parking lot" will lose its appeal. Where will one go, what will be there and why would one go back?

Another question I have is what effects will the experience of FTL have on a person's perceptions of reality? How will it change someone's sense of time and of their place in the universe. How will it change someone's sense of "self" or their concept of their spatial relationship.

I know from my own experiences of flying in small aircraft and hot air balloons, that my sense of time passing, my sense of my location and relationship to moving through the area I live changed greatly. Not just from acquiring a new vantage point, but being able to traverse distance at a different pace.

Similar to doing a long distance bike ride, covering a hundred or so miles over ten hours and then getting in a car and driving back over the same route alters your perception of the distance covered. One thing is the faster you move the less you experience of any individual spot; the less you see, smell, hear, etc. You lose detail but gain a better sense of totality. I expect with FTL travel you'd lose so much detail that you'd be approaching complete loss of detail, if there were a true inverse relationship between loss of detail and acquisition of totality (the total picture: Seeing the forest for the trees) then what an FTL traveler would perceive would be perhaps paradigm changing and life altering. Perhaps even putting it on a par with a Kensho experience.

3Foot, it would probably be like an actor moving from their dressing room to the stage.

Need a fence.

http://cellar.org/2010/wormhole.gif

Imagine anchoring one end of a wormhole in Jupiter's atmosphere, allowing us to quickly and cheaply "harvest" abundant hydrogen. No more burning fossil fuels on Earth. How about a factory in Venus' orbit, able to use solar energy and able to dispose of toxic waste in a way that won't ruin our planet, using a wormhole to get its product to market. Wormholes could even be used intra-earth. Want to go to Australia, to hook up with Zengum? You go to the "wormport" and getting to Australia would be instantaneous.

Not if Homeland Security has a say in it. :haha:

Viva Las Vegas!

What terms were you Googling that brought you to this site? This is a continued point of curiosity (what draws individuals to a community).

At least to me, the main goal of FTL is colonizing other earth-like planets & spheres in other stellar systems & galaxies, in addition to finding alien civilizations. Regarding the cosmic distances in the universe, the only solution is going FTL and as long as the mentioned goals would not be reached, its appeal would not be lost, at least to me.
Similar to breaking the sound barrier, one would be able to watch the past events, if he could exceed the light speed, then adjust a strong telescope to a targeted point; it just seemed to me a significant effect.
We are not completely strange with such affairs. For now, you can have access to anyone's info (i.e., text, voice, picture & video) on the earth almost immediately, provided both would have the related cell phones (devices) and numbers. The next step is access to physical existence of each other. We'd used to that IMHO.
There are billions of galaxies in the known universe; each of them having millions or billions of stars, and it is expected there must be a couple of planets rotating around each star, forming a stellar system, like our own Milky Way galaxy & solar system. Now multiply these numbers to find a huge number of the planets we'd have to verify for being worthy of living or contacting their residents. This technology shall make us busy for a long long time! :rotflol:
You're totally right. It can solve the energy crisis. Imagine anchoring one end of a wormhole in a deep point of the earth, so you can extract the internal heat of the earth and use it in a geothermal power plant. To make it more economical, you can avoid installing new complexes. Just take out the facilities of a fossil/nuclear plant from the building, then install the new facilities in the same building and start having green geothermal energy!
Also, almost any public vehicle would not be necessary. The planes, ships, trailers, trains, metros, … anything but a personal car to go out the vacation with the family in the weekend. Replace all of them with the new transporting system! We need to move on as fast as we can:

That's really awesome. I was invited to a scientific conference in the USA about 3 years ago, but the US embassy officer in Turkey didn't issue me a visa because I couldn't prove him I will come back Iran after finishing that conference. We Iranians have plenty of visa problems to travel abroad, so this is a personal motivation for me to make all the people who control others' travels … jobless! :nadkick:

If there is a wormhole technology at work, what does the "Homeland" mean? How would the DHS guys want to stop that? :eyebrow:

I don't remember exactly, there were a few unusual words. The website is online for a long time, has a good number of members, has a suitable Google rank, … so I saved its name & address …

Whoa, just because we can get from here to Mars in a jiffy, doesn't mean we can all start singing Kumbaya and buying each other Cokes. I know damn well if this technology were to become a reality, nation states would closely control it's use for their own benefit. Running down to Home Depot for a wormhole is not in the cards.

That sounds lovely, but just taking carbon out of the earth has caused a world of hurt, that wasn't predicted for a very long time. How do we know what the consequences of moving the heat from the earth's core to the atmosphere are going to be? Will it cause excess cooling of the core, and shrinkage causing massive earthquakes, tsunamis, super volcanoes and prairie dog suicides?

Mass access to teleportation would be cool, but at the same time it would suck. Those remote exotic locations would lose their charm if they were easy to get to and millions of people around the world decided they wanted to go there. I can picture the peak of Mount Everest having a Planet Hollywood on it with an oxygen bar.

The only way you would be able to find a place where you could get away from it all would be if you chose a barren inhospitable location, like the middle of a flat desert in Nevada.

Things like the "suburbs" and "country" would cease to have meaning if you can instantaneously commute from anywhere. Population density would become evenly distributed instead of being centered around cities. Put another way, there would no longer be rural areas, it would all be one big suburb.

What is the speed of dark?

Parking at the Teleporter Terminal would still be a drag.

Q.orange

I don't know. How fast do Mexicans and Muslims run when the xenophobic ultra-patriots try to run them out of their beloved country?

I don't think we'd be welcome in other populated parts of the universe.

I had hoped someone in here would tell me how to prevent that scenario? I believe we need this technology mostly for the environmental reasons and there is no guarantee that the nation states would allow applying it at any time ever.
It is only a possibility and needs separate studies. I mean there would be an extreme access to sun rays at the earth or other planets of the solar system, windy regions at various heights, and also geothermal points by means of this technology. The right choice is up to other aspects of the story.
Thus, we need to think about the ways of keeping the privacy in such a world. There are millions of cell phones, air planes, telescopes, … but people can still have a privacy. There must be a solution …
What happened to Indians when the white people discovered the America? It would depend on which side is stronger and more violent … ! :o

It has to get into as many hands as possible in the shortest possible time-frame, so it is assumed to be humanities' birthright. If we can manipulate time and space, that shouldn't be a problem.

In Larry Niven's Known Space setting, Earth has teleportation pods all over. In the beginning of Ringworld, the main character celebrates his birthday by having a party in every time zone, extending the day as long as he can.

Which is why you need the guys from Google and Wikipedia on board.

Doesn't help the moonshiners.

That's correct, but when this idea comes to practical details, the situation gets disappointing … BTW, we'd be able to manipulate only space, NOT time.

Wikipedia is far from such affairs, but I've contacted Google already, not any reply yet. They don't pay attention if there wouldn't be any news wave of the mainstream media, a Nobel prize or something like these … about this subject.

They're not interested in what you dream of doing, they are interested in what you've done, they can make a buck on.

I might need them to do something, if I can do it by myself, I wouldn't need them anymore. Thanks for the tips anyway.

Mansouryar, I hope you'll post in other Cellar forums. I think a lot of us would be interested in learning more about you.

I will post if I have time and something to say, but I think devoting time to this wormhole stuff would be more useful for me & others, than commenting on the matters that I don't know about them, as good as this one.
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This page contains some links to interesting articles. I suggest reading them; however those are rather old, but consider the progress in this field is unfortunately slow:
http://www.earthtech.org/press/index.html
For example, this article is informative IMO:
http://www.earthtech.org/press/2004....ation_week.pdf

Reading this story made my day:
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Breaking the Law of Gravity
By Charles Platt
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6...ravity_pr.html
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Don't care to its publishing date, it's really well-written & straightforward. I wish all the science journalists would have written this style.

So you're only here to promote your wormhole.
That first link has 17 stories, which one are you suggesting? The second describes research in 2004, what was the result?
Not interested in science fiction from 1986.

If I like a subject, I am not shy to refuse commenting on it. Also, can you name any other idea having wider range of applications than wormhole/spacewarp? After nuking Japan, the world has lived under the shadow of a technology which people have not had enough time to analyze it before realize it. This wormhole technology could have much greater impacts than the nuclear technology and therefore we'd better review all aspects about it before the governments could launch another miserable race by that.
A forum thread is just one step, it deserves that thinkers to write books about it IMHO.
All of them. Sadly, the newest of them backs to 2004; however the related progress is slow and I guess main achievements have not been published for the public.
That is not sci-fi; I suggest to read all of that. I just enjoyed it and wanted to share my pleasure with others.

Just FYI: A summary of a good book:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1101.1063
Progress in revolutionary propulsion physics; Authors: Marc G. Millis; (Submitted on 5 Jan 2011)
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And another related paper by the same author:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1101.1066
Energy, incessant obsolescence, and the first interstellar missions