Army to court martial 'birther' officer
 

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Apparently he is a rather well decorated member of the armed service and not some "off the wall" wingnut. Then again...

I'd say that apparently he is BOTH a rather well decorated member of the armed service AND some "off the wall" wingnut.

Yep, there's nothing mutually exclusive about that.

He should be court martialed or discharged. The smartest thing he should have done is resign his Commission. Now they are going to make an example of him. Fool.

fool, indeed, and racist, too. If Obama were whiter than he black, this wouldn't be an issue.

wow - I didn't see that coming Cloud.

How did you come to that conclusion?

because I believe that it's only because Obama is black that people are making a fuss about it; grasping at any straw they can think of. If he were a white president, no one would still be doing this kind of stuff. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my personal opinion.

Something of a parallel here:

BBC: Jail for Iraq refusal RAF doctor.

gee, what is it with the army doctors? are they all nutcases, or what?

and what happened to the Ft. Hood shooter? Is he still languishing in an iron lung somewhere? (goes off to google)

I certainly respect your opinion. But that is the new mantra of the left-wing nuts, anyone who disagrees with Obama is now called a racist. I think that is a huge mistake and is only stated to stifle anyone who disagrees with his policies.

well, that's a good point. But the extreme obstructionism of these people does not, frankly, make sense to me otherwise.

Pretty broad brush there...

He is in a wheelchair I believe, and in jail just outside of Ft. Hood.

Because they are Constitutional nutcases, not because they are racists. Oh, and they listen to G. Gordon Liddy and Rush on right-wing radio.

if they so believe in the Constitution, why don't they believe in the Supreme Court who enforces it (and who verified Obama's birth certificate and eligibility?)

These people are not expressing discontent with Obama's policies, which would be fine; they are against him, personally, against the evidence. It's like they can't believe that this person of mixed heritage represents the good ol USof A to the world.

(shakes head)

How else would you explain that some people are closed-minded when it comes to Obama's citizenship, which has been resolved enough times to satisfy a moron, but closed minded in the opposite way when it came to McCain's citizenship?

There is no evidence to support that notion.

Because they are morons, not because they are racist. There is no evidence to support that.

Maybe not, but this is the feeling I get from their rhetoric. I'll have to think on this some more, I guess.

There's as much evidence that they're racists as there is that they're morons.

okay; maybe they're just very persistent garden-variety nutcases

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birther

Birtherism doesn't involve disagreeing with Obama or his policies. It is the disbelief that the first black PotUS is legitimate.

He's not the first PotUS with an immigrant parent.

and not the first president to be investigated for not being a natural born citizen either, apparently.

Maybe it's just so incomprehensible to me, that I label these people with the worst thing I can think of. That's probably a mistake on my part.

It is not about racism. The lines are blurred by those who wish to discredit anyone who disagrees with Obama. It is false to make it a race issue.

Prove it.

Like I said, birtherism isn't about disagreeing with Obama. It is about claiming that he's not a legitimate president, based solely on the fact that his father was African.

I don't believe that involves a feeling of racism, that was my only point. I think if his father was from Sweden these people would be making the same claim, regardless of his color. I personally am proud that we have elected a true African American as President. I think it was a huge statement as to who far we have come as a nation. Even if I don't agree with 75% of his policy.

I do not. Maybe I don't have any proof, but I still feel that way. Is that a blonde moment? Dunno, but feel free to blame that, if you want.

Prove it.:zzz:

I never made the claim that they were racist. You support it. The burden is on you. But I know you can't.... :lol:

I will not blame you for anything. Like I said earlier, I respect your opinion. I only said something because that has become a mantra that Left-wing nuts would wish everyone would adopt. I don't support it. People stand and die on their own merits, regardless of color.

You made the claim that they are not racist. Prove it. The burden is on you. But I know you can't.... :lol:

Duh

Fail.

because it was me that made the claim, and Merc called me on it. Maybe it isn't true. Maybe these right wing conspiracy theorist nuts aren't racist.

Maybe.

Conspiracy Theorists know no bounds in race, religion, or whatever. They are everywhere.

well, that's true. It's the target that's suggestive in this case.

That is because it a convenient arguement IMHO. Too convenient...

You serious? Because the dumbasses that believe the Jews are taking control of the world are definitely not anti-Semitic...

There are some racists who using the "birther" as an issue to cover up their racism and there are constitutionalists who would complain if they thought George W. Bush was born in Canada. You can't generalize them all as racist or not racist.

The BS stench in this thread is overpowering!

merc, check the bottom of your shoes, for pete's sake.

Please don't bother on my account. I can tell where BS lives by the smell.

My point exactly. But in reality they can't be generalized at all. Racism is a issue injected by those who seek to stifle the voices of those who disagree with Obama. It is a false notion, IMHO.

It's not false, it's just not all encompassing. That said, I've been meeting more and more people with various gripes about Obama, who when questioned further resort to, because he's a damn nigger. I've been really surprised how prevalent it is. ymmv, as PA has more hate groups than any other state.

Pete and I were talking about the dynamic. She thinks this stuff is going on because the right had eight years of everything going their way and they have not gotten comfortable with getting trampled. I'd push it further to say that the right identifies themselves as the only American voice and considering every other opinion to be from the "other." All opinions to the left of extreme right must originate in old Europe. Obama being a black man just fits too nicely into this otherizing world view. I doubt that Panama John McCain would have been the subject of such nonsense...

I heard (alright, half heard, whilst doing other stuff) a programme on the radio last night about the TEA party movement. Listening to a lot of their rhetoric, they did sound as if they believed that Obama and the 'left' were inherently unAmerican and that the 'the People' were themselves. Like they were living under some kind of dictatorship that hadn't been voted in (because they themselves hadn't voted for him).

That is interesting. I don't give those people the time of day. I too have been meeting more and more people with gripes against Obama whom they voted for and the Dems in Congress. I have never heard a racist remark about it but there is a lot of anger out there and they seem to be growing in numbers.

I walked past a tea baggers rally downtown yesterday at lunch. As a result of having just read this thread, I looked over the crowd pretty closely. I didn't see a single face of any color other than white in that entire crowd of maybe 5 thousand. I had a good vantage point on a hill above the crowd. Not sure what that means, but normally you'll see a mixture of faces in any crowd. Not so here.

This guy probably more exemplifies that crowd.

And, couldn't find it on youtube, but here's a hulu clip:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/90671/the-...ased-by-ghosts

That's interesting, Glatt. There was a t-bag rally in the city park here yesterday, too. If there is one thing you can say about the 4-Corners, its that it is the land of diversity. Sometimes when I go to the laundramat, I'm the only white person in there. Everyone else is Navajo or Hispanic.

But if you looked at the composition of the local t-bag group, it was all white. I know because I was on foot and walked through the middle of the rally. It was bizarre, actually.

1. Just because you 'don't give them the time of day' doesn't mean they aren't there.

2. Maybe you just aren't hearing the racist remarks. Given your willingness to edit out the people who are likely to be making them.

You can't walk around small town America without bumping a nut on someone who says Obama is a socialist, anti-american, the *n* word...blah blah blah. I usually hear these things right before the person spits on the sidewalk or adjusts their overalls, or spills beer on their "mustache rides" t-shirt. Dumbasses.

the thing about Obama is he doesn't play by the old-boy network rules. He doesn't necessarily cater to the press or the lobbyists or the collateral lines of power that have been in place for a long time, and that's pissed a bunch of people off. (Makes me happy though). Whether or not the birthers or teapartyists are racist, well--how do you prove a negative? How do you prove hatred?

I certainly do have the impression that many of these people are motivated by racism. Probably Merc was right to call me on it when I called the original birther guy posted about racist, because it's true, I have no proof of that. nothing in the articles I read mentioned a racist motivation. But just because it's "convenient" to attribute a racial motivation to those opposing our president . . . doesn't mean it's not true, at least partially.

Or they are in such a minority that they really are not a factor. I certainly edit them out, that is true, but if there were really that many their remarks would be all over the internet both in video and quote. So far there has been very few events, other than the one reportedly made at the Capitol, with thousands of video about and no one could catch the supposed comment. Who knows. But it sure has become a convienient dig. To be honest I have only witness 2 such gatherings and it was in passing. Everything else I have watched is on the internet or TV.

Funny how he noticed that and called you on it...true or not. I guess it's not OK to call people racist just because they don't like our president, but it's OK to call certain politicians nazi whores, among a million other silly names meant to cast aspersions on the "other party."

IMHO (the acronym of the week) those two notions don't jibe. Seems self-serving, to me, and I'm highly amused at the dichotomy.

I think he has his own "good ole boy network", it just isn't the traditional one we would associate with that sterotype.

And that is one thing I really liked about some people in the Bush Admin as well, esp Rumsfield and the way he handled the press. But hey I am a bit more hawkish. Not that is was always the correct way to deal with them but I loved it when he handed them their assess in Q&A press meetings.

But they do border on whorish behavior IMHO.

with that "stereotype"? :eyebrow:

I'm not being a spelling nazi (hehehehee) I just find that to be an interesting choice of a word.

:neutral:

It's not the 'whore' part of it that's the problem, merc, it's the 'nazi' part of it.

David Mitchell on nazi comparisons and Godwin's Law:

From http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...hcare-mitchell

*ducks for cover*

Yeah. That caught my attention somewhat as well.

Angry rhetoric protected, but can be disturbing.

It is disturbing, to say the least, to watch the sheep jump on the sheepwagon of anger and hate.