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Cloud 03-22-2010 11:26 AM

Core Values. I has them.
 
So, I've been doing a lot of thinking about my values and goals recently.The exercise is to determine your 5 top "core" values.

After a great deal of thought, here are mine. Try not to make too much fun of me, dear Cellarites. If you know yours, and are willing to share, that's fine, but I completely understand they might be personal, too.

Independence
(health, mobility/strength, financial security, personal security/safety, singledom, control)

Intellectuality
(intellectual curiosity & pursuit, creativity, learning, teaching, intelligence)

Joy
(family love, relationships/friends, nature, dance, spirituality, art/beauty)

Nonconformity
(different drummer, freedom, alternative living, whimsy, FTW)

Serenity
(peace & quiet, low stress/low activity, relaxation, zen)

I think I first ran into this reading "Smart Women Finish Rich" by David Bach, wherein he makes the point that you should spend your money in line with your values. And make goals in line with your values, and actually live your life pursuant to them, etc.

Of course, that's assuming you know what your values are. Your own values--not other people's. I think you really run into trouble if you try to live your live according to other people's values--your parents', your church's, or some other subset of "must/should/ought." That's what happens to people in midlife when they suddenly wake up and go, WTF? This isn't the way I want to live my life!

I also think the process is valuable, trying to identify what is important to you. And it's so very personal: My "freedom" doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as your "freedom."

Anyway: If you are interested,here are some links on the subject.

The art of manliness: Defining your core values

David Bach article

skysidhe 03-22-2010 11:47 AM

We all cherish and value people whose values are in line with our own. For me his isn't about making other peoples values my own it is about sharing like mindedness.

Happiness
Health
Hope
Honesty
Humor

Two more add-ons

security
self-reliance.

I must add two more though because those first five values don't matter much if there isn't any security and self-reliance.

Cloud 03-22-2010 12:59 PM

some things surprised me during this process. I found I had to grope for words that meant what I wanted them to mean. "Singledom," "intellectuality," and the like are maybe made up. I came up with "serenity" finally after using "peace" and a bunch of other stuff.

I was surprised that being single was one of my basic sub-values, and not just a result of them.

classicman 03-22-2010 01:25 PM

Family
Health
Peace
Balance
Security

Cloud 03-22-2010 01:32 PM

it can be hard to separate values from goals. I mean -- health. Is health a value? or a goal? It could be either. Security is a goal, really, a basic need. That's why I bundled good health and financial and personal security into my value of "independence." Although I guess independence could be a goal, too. fardle!

Pico and ME 03-22-2010 02:09 PM

Im stuck in a rut goal/value-wise. Juggling our finances so that we can save and spend at the same time is taking up most of my energy. Ive been working hard at getting our debt down, too. Its an up and down battle. I wish I could break free of it, because it seems almost every decision I make is related to money.

Cloud 03-22-2010 02:41 PM

but do you spend your money in line with your values? This is one real great reason to sit down and figure this out. Maybe you're spending a lot of your money keeping up with someone else's values.

If you're in a rut, maybe take the time to set some of these values down, and come up with your own list.

Pico and ME 03-22-2010 02:48 PM

Quote:

Maybe you're spending a lot of your money keeping up with someone else's values
Nope. Im 48, I stopped living according to someone else's values a long time ago.

Cloud 03-22-2010 03:04 PM

Well, that's good. You say that every decision you make comes down to money. Can you make a plan, then automate some of it? then forget about it? (mostly)

Trilby 03-22-2010 03:50 PM

It is too exhausting to have core values. I have satellite values and vague fears.

Pie 03-22-2010 04:53 PM

Curiosity
Loyalty
Integrity
Novelty
Serenity

Cloud 03-22-2010 05:04 PM

"novelty"? What does that mean to you? Seems odd for a core value that you base your life on. Is it the cult of the new that attracts you?

Pie 03-22-2010 05:12 PM

'Curiosity' and 'Novelty' might be seen as similar.

I once stated to someone that the only reason I bother to stay alive is
1. Duty (to only three people, my husband, my mother and my grandmother)
2. Curiosity (but as a cynical pessimist, it's hard to believe that it'll be worth it)

I've added some element of novelty to that list -- travel to new places, try different things... if I find myself stuck staring at a metaphorical wall for 24 hours a day, I'd opt out in a hurry -- unless (of course) it was contradicted by my admittedly limited sense of loyalty.

I guess you might also call it hedonism.

Cloud 03-22-2010 05:26 PM

curiosity is one of mine, too, but I bundled it into intellectuality. It's kind of hard to come up with the right categories.

Shawnee123 03-22-2010 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 642432)
It is too exhausting to have core values. I have satellite values and vague fears.

Stuff like this is why you are priceless! :)

jinx 03-22-2010 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pie (Post 642443)
...

I once stated to someone that the only reason I bother to stay alive is
1. Duty (to only three people, my husband, my mother and my grandmother)
2. Curiosity (but as a cynical pessimist, it's hard to believe that it'll be worth it)

I've added some element of novelty to that list -- travel to new places, try different things... if I find myself stuck staring at a metaphorical wall for 24 hours a day, I'd opt out in a hurry...

I'm with you on the trying new things/traveling thing.... but offing yourself due to boredom I don't get. I mean, what else ya got going on? It is what it is, it is what you make it, opting out makes no sense to me.

skysidhe 03-22-2010 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 642432)
It is too exhausting to have core values. I have satellite values and vague fears.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 642457)
Stuff like this is why you are priceless! :)

That's what I thought too. It's so angst -y and poetical.


It belongs on a poster. It's too good of material for a bumper sticker.:)

I sobering proclamation. Something we have all felt and I do appreciate getting to the heart(s) of the matter(s).

Thank you for being you Bri.

monster 03-22-2010 08:53 PM

Purple
Beer


that's pretty much it.


Srsly. I'm always busy, I do what I believe I must, what I want to, and what seems right. it feels good. If I know I should do something, I fit it in. Somehow. I don't have time to contemplate the whys and wherefores and I'm glad about that. Navel-gazing is not something that I enjoy. IF I start to reflect it just tells me aI have a gap in my schedule. The only choices that ever seem to require a modicum of thought are what color and what flavor. So those must be my core values. :)

yup, I know I'm lucky.

Cloud 03-22-2010 09:13 PM

purple and beer works for me too

useful, more than enjoyable, perhaps. I'm finding it a useful tool; now I run activities and goals through this filter; i.e., is what I'm spending my time/money for in line with this stuff? helps in prioritizing and decision making

monster 03-22-2010 09:30 PM

like I say, I'm lucky. If it's important, somehow I manage to fit it in. I guess maybe I get a little help by being the one of the ones who sets the dates for most of the stuff my kids do, so I can make sure important things don't clash. How do I decide it's important? It just is. If things clash, we always manage to find a way to get everyone to where they want to be .......perhaps we are blessed by FSM because we usually consume a bowl of pasta before embarking on the evening leisure activities?

Cloud 03-22-2010 09:40 PM

blessed indeed

monster 03-22-2010 10:25 PM

ramen.

Pete Zicato 03-23-2010 03:42 PM

I have apple core values.

You might say my values are the pits.

Flint 03-23-2010 03:52 PM

Slack.

Cloud 03-23-2010 04:19 PM

you can put down assholiness as one of yours. Be honest! I'll try not to judge.

Mad Professor 03-23-2010 04:38 PM

My core values:

1. Treating others with respect
2. Showing love and kindness to my family
3. Helping others where I can
4. Relating to people on a humanistic level
5. A strong belief that we must look after and conserve the planet, it's species and resources

My goals:

1. Take part in environmental and anti-arms trade campaigning
2. Find a loving personal relationship
3. Develop my creativity in music and writing
4. Develop a healthier lifestyle
5. Do more travelling and experience other cultures

Cloud 03-23-2010 05:33 PM

okay, these sound good--thanks Mad Professor. But I wonder if numbers 1, 3, and 4 are actually the same thing; or at least 1 and 4. If you consolidate, you have room for another!

Also, how do goals #3 and 4 relate to your values?

Not trying to be picky here, just to stimulate some thought.

Mad Professor 03-23-2010 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 642665)
okay, these sound good--thanks Mad Professor. But I wonder if numbers 1, 3, and 4 are actually the same thing; or at least 1 and 4. If you consolidate, you have room for another!

Also, how do goals #3 and 4 relate to your values?

Not trying to be picky here, just to stimulate some thought.

yes I suppose treating people with respect is implicitly part of relating to people on a humanistic level, so that does give me one more :)

goals 3 and 4 stem from desires: to express myself creatively, and to feel that I am looking after my body and mind, which would bring me contentment, a supervening goal.

my extra core value would be liberal political thought, if Cloud allows me to have that one ;)

Cloud 03-23-2010 07:20 PM

I'm not your secret keeper, just offering some thoughts for refinement. I had to whittle, rename, and rearrange mine quite a bit. And liberal political thought is implicit in my value "nonconformity"!

monster 03-23-2010 07:39 PM

Laughter.

lumberjim 03-23-2010 08:17 PM

isn't there some sort of quiz I could take to tell me what mine are?

monster 03-23-2010 08:41 PM

Your Wanking Habits Can Reveal Your Destiny

What Color Do You Aspire To Be?

Do You Really Care About The Human Race?

monster 03-23-2010 08:42 PM

There are more if you don't like those....

lumberjim 03-23-2010 08:44 PM

I really like the 2nd one. purple? me? whodathunkit?

skysidhe 03-23-2010 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Zicato (Post 642637)
I have apple core values.

You might say my values are the pits.

heh heh

xoxoxoBruce 03-24-2010 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 642665)
okay, these sound good--thanks Mad Professor. But I wonder if numbers 1, 3, and 4 are actually the same thing; or at least 1 and 4. If you consolidate, you have room for another!...

But you have to be careful... if you state your values too broadly, too all encompassing, they become vague, and make it harder to connect them to specific goals.

skysidhe 03-24-2010 12:43 PM

I have to add integrity but it has to be coupled with a good nature or tolerance which maybe seen as a contradiction.

That debate would be for the philosophy thread.

Cloud 03-24-2010 02:04 PM

well, you have honesty, which could go into integrity, and tolerance fits fine in there, too.

Pie 03-24-2010 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jinx (Post 642459)
I'm with you on the trying new things/traveling thing.... but offing yourself due to boredom I don't get. I mean, what else ya got going on? It is what it is, it is what you make it, opting out makes no sense to me.

"Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something."
Most of the time, it's just not worth it.

Urbane Guerrilla 03-25-2010 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 642413)
some things surprised me during this process. I found I had to grope for words that meant what I wanted them to mean. "Singledom," "intellectuality," and the like are maybe made up. I came up with "serenity" finally after using "peace" and a bunch of other stuff.

I was surprised that being single was one of my basic sub-values, and not just a result of them.

Just on the face of it, I find "singledom" hard to integrate with "family" kind of values. Is there not a conflict here?

Then too, I do have a happy marriage, and value that. It ain't just the regular sex and the warm bed and the predawn snuggles; there's fulfilment in a good partnership. Some people have a very hard time finding a good partner, and others are simply awful partners themselves, incapable of a good marriage and with no business trying it.

Of the Heinleinian-style virtues, competence either makes independence, or is independence. Not sure which, nor sure I should be concerned, when there is the doing of it to be doing.

Urbane Guerrilla 03-25-2010 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 642679)
Laughter.

And cause for it.

jinx 03-25-2010 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pie (Post 642842)
"Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something."
Most of the time, it's just not worth it.

Well now I'm confused - is it boring or is it painful?

Pie 03-25-2010 07:43 PM

It could be both. Right now, it's slightly more interesting than boring.

Interesting + pain > 0
Boring + pain < 0

See?

Cloud 03-26-2010 12:35 PM

Quote:

Just on the face of it, I find "singledom" hard to integrate with "family" kind of values. Is there not a conflict here?
on the face of it, perhaps. But even single people have families, and there's more to "family love" than the love between a husband and wife.

Shawnee123 03-26-2010 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 643312)
on the face of it, perhaps. But even single people have families, and there's more to "family love" than the love between a husband and wife.

:notworthy

Well said.

DanaC 03-26-2010 01:51 PM

Very well said!

I am resolutely single. Doesn't stop me being very family oriented.

Griff 03-27-2010 06:41 AM

I think harmony is my core value.

Aliantha 03-28-2010 10:12 PM

Loyalty, honour, faith, love. With these things I can make my way through life knowing I've done the best I can.

Urbane Guerrilla 03-29-2010 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 643312)
On the face of it, perhaps. But even single people have families, and there's more to "family love" than the love between a husband and wife.

Hmm, then I guess it boils down to whether you reckon you can or should run a family, or not. With, say, the virtues
Quote:

Loyalty, honour, faith, love. With these things I can make my way through life. . .
Ali listed.


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