So, Obama has been president for 8 months, and
 

...my kids aren't in the Hitler Youth, the Caliphate has not been restored, I haven't been forced to live on a collective farm, and Afghanistan hasn't invaded New Jersey.

What's going on, conservatives? I was told that Obama was a Kenyan Arab Nazi Commie Peacefreak who would sell us all out to the ghost of Saddam Hussein (his middle name is even Hussein! HURR HURR!).

Please explain the outright failure of your dire predictions to materialize.

change takes time

No, I'm pretty sure I remember Merc and a few others implying that this would all be pretty much immediate.

I'll settle for any concrete steps that can be demonstrated to lead to the Caliphate, for example, or the communization of America.

Come on, we know he is a superhero!

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/p...amaComics1.jpg

http://sendables.jibjab.com/originals/hes_barack_obama

No, he's a supervillian. I know this, because the conservatards have told me so on many occasions.

So where's the DOOM?

Whoa!

You/re saying he is not a super-hero?

But he did the super-hero fist jab with spiderman!

http://teaching.zachwhalen.net/comic...-obama-001.jpg

Oh wait...now I remember, a FOX anchor person raised the question of if it was a "terrorist fist jab"....villainous!

Roger wow long time no see - It was nice while it lasted.

"Having read the posts over there from the last two days, I can see no further point in talking to the Cellar Dwellars. They have nothing but disdain for us, even though we've done nothing they haven't, so to hell with the hypocrites. Ignore 'em, troll'em, do whatever the hell you like, as far as I'm concerned. I have no further use for them whatsoever." -TGRR

What turned you around on this opinion, my friend?

When I troll a board, I like to stick around and follow through all the fights I've picked until I actually win everybody over, and, no matter how hard they don't want to, they come to love me. And then, 3.5 years later, I'm still there, and I can laugh about it with them.

Kind of like standing up in a church and yelling "God is a ni66er fa66ot!!!1" and then talking your way out of it.

Maybe this will pull you out of single-digit replies.

Don't worry: I'm just sticking my head in the door...now: I'm gone...
 

"So, Obama has been president for 8 months, and..."

He's still a mediocre man with mediocre ideas.

you're just saying that cuz he's black.

His being a nigger has nothin' to do with nothin'... ;)

I'se pretty sure there was a two headed calf born over Lancaster way ...

But he has lots of Czars

Hush, wackoman. You'll just encourage him.

;)

Hush, wackoman. You'll just encourage him.
 

HA!

Czar-bellied Sneetches with Czars upon thars?

So...nobody has an answer?

How very disappointing. Can it be that the conservatards were full of shit from the get-go?

Say it ain't so.

Okay. I can take a hint.

...apparently not.

conservatives, liberals: two sides of the same worthless coin...
 

"Can it be that the conservatards were full of shit from the get-go?"


Yep: just like the lefties...

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"So...nobody has an answer?" to "explain the outright failure of your dire predictions to materialize?"


The reason no one answered is embedded in two things.

First: most sensible folks (and an ever-decreasing number of those there are!) recognize the conservative and liberal ideologies, as religions (and religions they are!), are useless. That is: the sensible are off figuring out how to navigate around, under, and through, the shit foisted up by both parties/cults.

Second: Obama is a mediocre man with mediocre ideas. The sensible ignore alarmism and marketing/propaganda 'cause the jigaboo will do nothing that hasn't already been done, that is, consolidate power for the 'nobles' on both sides of the aisle and leech off the citizenry.

Now, do sumthin' 'bout it... ;)

Nice.

Also, I like how "conservative" or "liberal" doesn't even describe either party's ideologies.

So, Obama's has been president for 8 months, and...

He's already a better president, and accomplished more positive change than George W. Bush did in 8 years.


He's ended the Iraq war and he's pulling troops out. He's reversed Bush's insane policy on stem-cell research, he took drastic steps to save the economy that was spiraling out of control toward another great depression, etc.

So far he's a better president than Bush, his father, Carter, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, or Johnson.

Defending the President

Constructive criticism is a positive part of democracy, but Destructive criticism for the sake of attack, and often void of logic, is pure politics. The latter is the majority of criticism President Obama has faced in recent months.


Critics have attacked President Obama relentlessly since he hit the 100 day mark. Why? Do they really think 100 days is a measure of success? Do they understand the way Presidential orders and Congressional bills work? Do they know there’s an entire administration of people who work 15 hour days running our nation, a responsibility most of these critics can’t even imagine? Do they even have any concept of how government works? A president doesn’t just create a new law, sign it into effect, and bingo that’s it. There are steps to ensure the democratic way and these steps take time. It took Bush at least nine months to destroy the success of the Clinton years. It’s going to take a lot longer to fix eight years of destructive and neglectful governing. Give Obama a chance.


Those who do understand the way our government works and still attack the president are just out to get him. They are not going to give him a chance and they never intended to. It won’t matter what he does; they’ll find something ridiculous to say, even if it doesn’t make much sense, i.e. radio and FOX news.


What I wonder is how many of these “critics” have someone (even just one single person) examining everything they do in their lives? Probably not many of them. It’s really easy to sit back and pick on someone from afar. It’s also easy to criticize someone for a job they’ll never know anything about. It’s also too easy to examine someone else while failing to look at yourself.


The following is a short list of the Obama administration’s recent accomplishments (from WhiteHouse.gov) There are many more, but this is a work in progress.

ECONOMY
Progress

• The President signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

• The President announced the "Making Home Affordable" home refinancing plan.
• The President launched a $15 billion plan to boost lending to small businesses.
• The President and Secretary Geithner announced the details of the Financial Stability Plan.
• President Obama played a lead role in G-20 Summit that produced a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis.
• The President signed the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act which gives the federal government more tools to investigate and prosecute fraud, from lending to the financial system, and creates a bipartisan Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission to investigate the financial practices that brought us to this point.
• The President signed the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act, expanding on the Making Home Affordable Program to help millions of Americans avoid preventable foreclosures, providing $2.2 billion to help combat homelessness , and helping to stabilize the housing market for everybody.

• The President signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act to protect Americans from unfair and deceptive credit card practices.

DEFENSE
Progress

• Renewed dialogue with NATO and other allies and partners on strategic issues.

• Announced a plan to responsibly end the war in Iraq.
• Developed a comprehensive new strategy on Afghanistan and Pakistan and authorized deployment of more than 21,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan.
• Announced creation of a Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record for members of the U.S. Armed Forces to improve quality of medical care.

DISABILITY
Progress


The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act included a number of provisions of particular concern to people with disabilities.

• The Act included $500 million to help the Social Security Administration reduce its backlog in processing disability applications.
• The Act supplied $12.2 billion in funding to the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA);
• The Act also provided $87 billion to states to bolster their Medicaid programs during the downturn; and,
• The Act provided over $500 million in funding for vocational rehabilitation services to help with job training, education and placement.

CIVIL RIGHTS
Progress

• The President signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, restoring basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers.

EDUCATION
Progress
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act invested heavily in education both as a way to provide jobs now and lay the foundation for long-term prosperity.

• The Act includes $5 billion for early learning programs, including Head Start, Early Head Start, child care, and programs for children with special needs.
• The Act also provides $77 billion for reforms to strengthen elementary and secondary education, including $48.6 billion to stabilize state education budgets (of which $8.8 billion may be used for other government services) and to encourage states to:

• • Make improvements in teacher effectiveness and ensure that all schools have highly-qualified teachers;
  • Make progress toward college and career-ready standards and rigorous assessments that will improve both teaching and learning;
  • Improve achievement in low-performing schools, through intensive support and effective interventions; and
  • Gather information to improve student learning, teacher performance, and college and career readiness through enhanced data systems.

• The Act provides $5 billion in competitive funds to spur innovation and chart ambitious reform to close the achievement gap.
• The Act includes over $30 billion to address college affordability and improve access to higher education.

ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT
"So we have a choice to make. We can remain one of the world's leading importers of foreign oil, or we can make the investments that would allow us to become the world's leading exporter of renewable energy. We can let climate change continue to go unchecked, or we can help stop it. We can let the jobs of tomorrow be created abroad, or we can create those jobs right here in America and lay the foundation for lasting prosperity."
-President Obama, March 19, 2009
Progress

• The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act included more than $60 billion in clean energy investments that will jump-start our economy and build the clean energy jobs of tomorrow:

• • $11 billion for a bigger, better, and smarter grid that will move renewable energy from the rural places it is produced to the cities where it is mostly used, as well as for 40 million smart meters to be deployed in American homes.
  • $5 billion for low-income home weatherization projects.
  • $4.5 billion to green federal buildings and cut our energy bill, saving taxpayers billions of dollars.
  • $6.3 billion for state and local renewable energy and energy efficiency efforts.
  • $600 million in green job training programs – $100 million to expand line worker training programs and $500 million for green workforce training.
  • $2 billion in competitive grants to develop the next generation of batteries to store energy.

• Increasing, for the first time in more than a decade, the fuel economy standards for Model Year 2011 for cars and trucks so they will get better mileage, saving drivers money and spurring companies to develop more innovative products.

• The President issued a memorandum to the Department of Energy to implement more aggressive efficiency standards for common household appliances, like dishwashers and refrigerators. Through this step, over the next three decades, we’ll save twice the amount of energy produced by all the coal-fired power plants in America in any given year.
• Supporting the first steps of a legally-binding treaty to reduce mercury emissions worldwide.
• On Earth Day 2009, the President unveiled a program to develop the renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. These regulations will enable, for the first time ever, the nation to tap into our ocean’s vast sustainable resources to generate clean energy in an environmentally sound and safe manner.

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY
Progress

• The President signed an Executive Order on government contracting to fight waste and abuse.
• The President launched Recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, an unprecedented step to provide transparency and accountability through technology.
• The President wrote to the congressional leadership calling on them to pass statutory Pay-As-You-Go rules so that any new non-emergency tax cut or entitlement expansion offset in the budget.
• The President signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system.

FOREIGN POLICY
Progress

• Ordered the closure of the prison at Guantanamo Bay and a review of our detention and interrogation policy, and prohibited the use of torture.

• Appointed Special Envoys for Climate Change, Southwest Asia, the Middle East, Sudan, and a Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan.

• Announced a plan to responsibly end the War in Iraq.
• Announced a new strategy for Pakistan and Afghanistan.
• Announced a strategy to address the international nuclear threat.
• Agreed to negotiation of a new Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty with Russia.
• Established a new "U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue".
• Announced new policy steps towards Cuba.

HEALTH CARE

"I suffer no illusions that this will be an easy process. It will be hard. But I also know that nearly a century after Teddy Roosevelt first called for reform, the cost of our health care has weighed down our economy and the conscience of our nation long enough. So let there be no doubt: health care reform cannot wait, it must not wait, and it will not wait another year."
– President Barack Obama, February 24, 2009
Progress

• The President signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act on February 4, 2009, which provides quality health care to 11 million kids – 4 million who were previously uninsured.
• The President’s American Recovery and Reinvestment Act protects health coverage for 7 million Americans who lose their jobs through a 65 percent COBRA subsidy to make coverage affordable.
• The Recovery Act also invests $19 billion in computerized medical records that will help to reduce costs and improve quality while ensuring patients’ privacy.
• The Recovery Act also provides:

• • $1 billion for prevention and wellness to improve America’s health and help to reduce health care costs;
  • $1.1 billion for research to give doctors tools to make the best treatment decisions for their patients by providing objective information on the relative benefits of treatments; and
  • $500 million for health workforce to help train the next generation of doctors and nurses.

TAXES
Progress
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act included a broad range of tax cuts aimed at making the tax code more fair and supporting the middle class:

• 95% of all working families will receive a tax cut
• 70% of the tax benefits goes to the middle 60% of American workers
• 2 million families will be lifted out of poverty by the tax cuts in the Recovery Act
• More than $150 billion in tax cuts will help low-income and vulnerable households during the economic recovery
• About 1 Million jobs will be created or saved by these tax cuts alone

how odd...thread gone...thread back...*shrug*
 

"I like how "conservative" or "liberal" doesn't even describe either party's ideologies'

Placeholders are placeholders. I didn't choose 'em.

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"...he's a better president than Bush, his father, Carter, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, or Johnson."

And warm shit is better than cold shit. Both are still shit when served on a platter and named 'steak'.

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"Destructive criticism for the sake of attack, and often void of logic, is pure politics."

No, that's the blood- and cum-stained event called 'civilization'.

I wasn't critiquing your choice of words, just making an observation.

"just making an observation"
 

Me too...no offense taken or intended... ;)

Wow links from obama-truth.blogspot.com and whitehouse.gov that are defending the president - What wonderful unbiased information - Thanks radar.

:lol2:

regarding post #'s 25 and 26
 

It's premature to crow about these accomplishments.

For one: many (perhaps all) fall into the camp of 'upcoming', as in 'the results of this or that are upcoming'.

Signing, proposing, implementing: these sound good but none speak to the actual end points, which could be deplorable.

For another: it's a mistake to assume that everyone is in favor of any or all of the listed accomplishments.

Bottom line: the lists of #'s 25 and 26 aren't 'proof' of anything.

These steps are still steps forward, instead of the previous slipping and sliding into hell, oblivion, and unending poverty and chaos.

So yes, it's all relative: I pick relative sanity over relative hell.

When you can't deny the facts, attack the source? Typical.

;)
 

"These steps are still steps forward, instead of the previous slipping and sliding into hell, oblivion, and unending poverty and chaos."

It's a matter of perspective. For me, and only me, the prices quoted by left or right are too high.

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"So yes, it's all relative: I pick relative sanity over relative hell."

Again: a matter of perspective. As I see it, sanity isn't a commodity, and, hell for some is home for others...

*shrug*

So, henry, what do you propose? You've made it clear you think neither party is competent. If you could choose how it should work, within the realms of reality (no, you do NOT get to be king) :rolleyes: what would you choose? How would it work? What is the best outcome, the worst?

Yeah, you're right.

Anyway, on to Henry's post: Why should we improve things, vis-a-vis the two party system? Things are plenty funny the way things are now.

I propose nothing
 

I have no plan to save the world, the country, or you.

Look at my signature line. It says everything and anything you want to know about what I propose.

Things are what they are. I have no interest in revolution.

I do what I always do: navigate under, around, and though what 'is'.

Repubs, Dems, Commies, Libs, Cons, Libertarians, Socialists, Anarchists, Greens, Christians, Atheists, and on and on...as religions: they all lack.

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"What is the best outcome, the worst?"

For me: the best outcome is my continuing to live unmolested by anyone who believes he or she owns me in part or as a whole. The worst outcome: prison (but even there, I'm still my own).

Sorry, Shawnee: I can't give you a formula when, for me, none exists.

This ain't gonna be your century. Just saying.

@ henry:

Well then why do you have any form of opinion about the mediocre president, or the shortcomings of our system?

(I'm not saying you're not entitled to your opinion) but you can't in one breath say that the end results could be deplorable, and outline the reasons why and in the next breath profess all of it means nothing to you and even go so far as to say it's irrelevant to everyone. If it means nothing, why post about it?

Henry, you have to remember that most people still believe the US Government exists.

"Why should we improve things, vis-a-vis the two party system?"


Do as you like.

Support who and what you like, as you see fit.

My only concern is that I should be 'made' to ‘pay’ for those things and persons.

How you discharge your resources, time, 'self' is entirely your business.

I claim the same for myself.

And yet: this isn't enough, is it?

I am told I must pony up in support of whatever parasitical system is in place.

No.

The only war that matters is the one that's been in place since before the first proto-human fell out of the trees, that being: the war between the individual and everyone else.

*shrug*

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(((Gentle reader, ignore this little exchange. T responded to S, not me, rendering my comments idiotic. My own fault for cramming everything into one post. Apologies.)))

"This ain't gonna be your century. Just saying."


I can live with that.

Can you?

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"you can't in one breath say that the end results could be deplorable"


I mean deplorable for all of you who invest yourselves.

Sorry for the confusion.

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"it's irrelevant to everyone"


Only to me.

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"If it means nothing, why post about it?"


It's just conversation and debate...why does it have to mean anything?

most people still believe the US Government exists
 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Radar - I attacked nothing, I just noted where the sources used to support your OPINION were from.

hehehehe

That's the stupidest thing you've said: but your buddies find it funny so maybe I'm missing something.

It wouldn't be as funny if they didn't make you give them little green paper rectangles.


Oh, yes.

Shit, I wouldn't have it any other way. It's ALL about the cheap laughs, Henry. Laugh until your guts bleed. Laugh until the people around you get nervous. Laugh until they slam the door shut and discuss your long term treatment options with your loved ones. Laugh until you just can't stop screaming.

I apologize if I have offended you on some weird religious level, but the fact is that the "government" is a social fiction. So is "America". So is the "money" you humans worship. Neither one is real, but humans run around dying for both, each and every day.

It would be sad, if it wasn't so funny.

Laugh until your guts bleed
 

I prefer to 'do'.

They are not mutually exclusive concepts. I think the miscommunication here is that you wish to help the humans, and I do not. Humans are best left to their own devices, as they tend to kill anyone who tries to help them (Jesus, Gandhi, MLK, etc).

So while we both agree that action is desirable, I prefer to increase the general level of laughs. Well, I mean laughs for me.

After all, LMNO's Dictum always applies: The imposition of order creates a corresponding and greater level of disorder.

"...you wish to help the humans..."

HA!

Where did you get that idea?

There are folks whom I love (a small number)...for them: everything.

There are folks who are strangers (most folks)...for them: certain things, as I choose, depending on circumstance.

There are folks who are my enemies (a small number)...for them: nothing, or, the knife.

You claim to hate humanity. A waste of a valuable resource...

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"Humans are best left to their own devices"

Yep.

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"...action is desirable..."

My action for myself and for those whom I choose to involve myself with.

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"I prefer to increase the general level of laughs"

As you like...as you will.

Hate is a renewable resource.

Hate is a renewable resource
 

HA!

And still far too precious to spew all over the place like so much jizz.

Hate is cold...it focuses and hones. It's a tool. It has its uses, but never as a catch-all.

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"the "government" is a social fiction. So is "America". So is the "money" you humans worship."

Indeed! Fictions...great, and sometimes useful, fictions.

If you recognize this then the fictions become tools. if you can't recognize this: then you are the tool (multiple meaning there...HA!).

Perhaps for humans. Me, I'm like Jesus, only hateful and bitter.

Balls.


Only for hoodwinking pesky humans.

I can have it both ways.

I can have it both ways.
 

No, you can't.

Self-possession is not a spectrum. You own 'you', or, you're owned.

There's no middle ground.

And: insofar as I can tell, you're as human as me...get used to it. ;)

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But: please, TGRR, do as you will and like...think as you will and like.

Makes no difference to me... ;)

@ henry: oh I is all about the coffee and frolicks!

Balls. Humans these days are indistinguishable from bad 1980s sitcoms.

In MY fucking day, we KNEW how to swear, drink, get the clap, rock n roll, and wake up in a crab-infested whorehouse with no clothes, money, or even memory, crusted in our own filth with a needle still in our arm and the electric buzz of acid still running up and down our spines, with hairy ass chlamydia bacillia the size of fucking PANCAKES oozing out of our arses and chewing holes in the linoleum.

These kids? HAH! They puke and they think they partied. Shit, we puked BEFORE we partied, just to limber up!

THESE MONKEYS DO NOT NOW, NOR WILL YOU EVER, UNDERSTAND THE LOST HIGHWAY!

grumble, grumble, fucking kids, grumble

You really didnt....swear, drink, get the clap, rock n roll, and wake up in a crab-infested whorehouse with no clothes, money, or even memory, crusted in our own filth with a needle still in our arm and the electric buzz of acid still running up and down our spines, with hairy ass chlamydia bacillia the size of fucking PANCAKES oozing out of our arses and chewing holes in the linoleum.....while listening to...

THESE MONKEYS?

http://www.elharo.com/blog/images/monkees.jpg

Tell me it aint so.

Damn dude, at least I was a deadhead.

Fuck no. I've always been a Rolling Stones kinda guy.

I've just noticed how much that one Monkee on the left looks like a skinny Jack Black.


They should totally make a modern Monkees movie. Clockwise from the top: Edward Norton, Matthew McConaughy, Toby Maguire, Jack Black.