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Priorities are important in education.

Wow. Just Wow. That's incredible.

25 years of full-time education ... for this????

Yeah, why DO female tenured and un-tenured professors earn less than their male counterparts? :cool:

Thats BS, Shaw - there ought to be a salary set and thats what it is male, female, black, white, red, green, blue, R, D, I, L ... whatever.

"ought to be" -- but not yet. Don't be complacent--women are still struggling for their rights in this country. We're close, but not yet equal.

Athletics fund education, keeping the alma mater fresh in the minds of alums with money. Without the coaches' salary, there would be no money to pay for the teachers and professors' salaries. Or less money.

Good point about women's rights. We've come a long way, baby, but we have far to go.

Yeah, the sports programs bring in an awful lot of money, no matter how you look at.

Don't imagine for a minute that green bar reflects the salaries of the women's football coaches, either.....

... or the swim coaches :D

'Cause ya already got most of the money, and all the pussy. :lol2:

The U of Michigan swim coach is paid quite well I think

hm I lied. the swim coach gets 90K, the football coach 300K. And I just found out what all my friends who work for the UofM earn too :eek:

You don't think $90,000 a year is well-paid?

for something that isn't football? (cough)

Swimming doesn't bring in the money football does,

Women are making progress in Italy.

Well, it's not more than the professors make. I don't think $90K is huge given the job requirements and expectations. I'm very surprised by the football coach's salary. I think there must be other income in that job.

They reckon there's generally a 17.5% - 20% differential between male and female wages in the UK (in comparable jobs).

If I make it to my dream job (University tenured history professor) I'll earn about £40k - £60k per annum. I'd consider that an excellent wage.

Don't forget the chart is for "Doctoral-Granting Universities", which means the biggies. Most of those have football programs that are in conferences that draw huge crowds, TV revenues, and support from wealthy alumni, that translates into millions of dollars for those schools.
They pay big bucks for coaches that will(might) win, bringing them bowl games and more $upport.

The salaries i fouind were for the University of Michigan. You know, Big 10, second largest statium, largest attendance..... granted they've been on the crappy side recently, but I'd still expect their coach to be taking home more than that.

You're talking about the swimming coach, yes? Only football brings in the big bucks, so I think you'll find football coaches at all the biggies far outstrip any other coaches.

the 300K is the football coach

Oh, ok, I missed that. :o

Sounds like becoming a coach might be better than becoming a pro player, considering the length of time you can reasonably expect to do it.

That's how it works in every university I've ever seen. You have a rank and a step. Every year you move up a step, and you go before a review committee to move up in rank. It doesn't matter who you are, what color, what sex, etc. The salaries are set.

The only exception to this are endowed professorships, where the salary is paid by an outside organizations, or a grant, or is in some other way separate from the general budget. Those are flexible, and can be quite high (the endowed violin professor at USC makes $1m per year, and teaches only 3 students).

My guess, and I don't have any data to back this up, is that there are significantly more endowed positions in fields that generally interest men more than women. The sciences have a very high percentage of endowed positions (funded by industry grants, private / academic partnerships, etc.), and those fields attract more men than women.

It's simplistic to simply look at the final numbers and cry "sexism!" I can tell you from experience that academia bends over backwards avoid any instance or implication of sexism or racism. The committees that control advancement are, if anything, MORE likely to advance a female candidate than a male candidate, given the same level of academic output.

Boy, I was just trying to be funny and act like I didn't notice the big football coach bar. :rolleyes:

I think it's been well established that we don't cotton to humor none 'round here.

:lol:

Er, I mean :mad:

OK, taking a different approach.....

hey! U of Mich only pays their football coach 25% of the average and their other "academic" staff 150% of the average..... but our stadium is still bigger than yours! :lol: ...and Michael Phelps was ours :p

I know of a *FEW* professors in the US$250,000+ range.

Very, very few. Generally, some cashed-up US (often, but not always, Ivy League) college wants to raise its profile in some particular area, and decides to poach an entire research program en bloc from somewhere else.
Back in the early '90s, one US college (I think it might have been Bowling Green) offered four Profs. from the Australian National Uni Philosophy program about $250,000 each provided they all came as a group. (They stayed, mostly for family reasons.)

More recently, the Australian government has brought in "Federation Fellowships" which offer salaries around $250,000 and are used for counter-poaching.

Most tenured academics are on less then $100,000; and at the bottom of the pile there are many non-tenured, contract, or even causal workers on mediocre salaries with no job security. Hours depend on enrollments, and these vary year by year.

Four Aussie Philosophy profs! What a coincidence. Were they all named Bruce?

Hahahahah. very good bruce.

The salaries of college & university professors in the US are so variable, it's almost meaningless to talk about nationwide averages. (Harvard Business School professors make more than Central Middle State University professors? Duh.)


Having said that, some of you may find this breakdown by institution interesting. However, it generally does not include adjunct instructors--those who are hired on a contract-per-course basis. This would bring the averages down significantly. It also doesn't account for pay differences between different disciplines.

Wow, I was shocked from that! soon, I want to be a part of them.

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It seems a touch strange to me that in a university the football coach takes the big money. I realise it's a cultural thing...but it always did strike me as very strange. I don't get why football is so important in an academic institution. I understand why management might end up getting paid more than, say a leading academic...just...but a football coach? Nothing against football coaches, but wtf?

Not to mention their other perks which looking at those numbers may or may not be included. Somehow I don't think the perks that Univ presidents get are included in the gross salaries either. Cars, car allowances, houses fully paid for, etc.

College football is big business here, Dana, probably as much, or more, money involved than the pros.

it just doesn't happen in the UK. AT ALL. there used to be amateur football (soccer) and rugby) but it was phased out. NO-ONE is interested in University students and what they can do with their balls. except Loughborough (Luffbra). The ONLY UK Uni sport televised is the Oxford/Cambridge boat race. it's a different Universe.

(Dana -the Stadium of the University of Michigan would shame any in the premier league)

Merc, academia is pretty hefty in the perks department, at every level, not just at the top.

Standard perks include great health insurance, matching retirement contributions, free or subsidized housing, use of an on-campus faculty gym, free public transportation, travel reimbursement for research trips (i.e. family vacations), a 4-figure book stipend, and the biggie, free college tuition for immediate family members (at most colleges, that's transferable to other institutions as well - my kids can go for free at almost any school in the US).

Many things suck about the academic world. The job perks, however, do not.

And the chicks, Smoov, don't forget the chicks.

Seriously, though, outside US, only a few of those perks apply - generous superannuation, some research travel (the prof only, not the family) and if you want the gym, you pay for it. Books get counted toward pulication points which can mean promotion; we commies have socialised health and semi-socialised tertiary edumacation.

Here are the stadiums, and they fill them 6 or 8 times per season. Now that's just the top 17, of thousands of them. Add the TV viewing and there are millions upon millions of people watching college football.

My dad was a professor and it meant the difference between me going to the college of my choice and going to the local state school.

Your link opens a reply to topic page. Either I am insane or.....

Why is this an either/or statement? :lol2:

hah! now fixie linkie, I wanna see stadia

AND it logs me out!

:smack: fixed it, thanks.:o

Michigan doesn't look like that any more! They're nearing the end of a HUGE building project -lots more boxes and stuff. HUGE. And yet they are still exempt from paying taxes to the city....... mutter mutter (I live maybe three miles from the stadium)

mon, H from Z's said to tell you GO BUCKS!

Not really...

:)

So, my folks both went to UMich (AA), my husband's family is all Ohio State. It makes for fun football-watching experiences. :eyebrow:

My mom is a longtime Browns fan and my dad is a longtime Bengals fan: I feel your pain!

Neither of my parents likes sports. But they still don't get along! ;)

hey Dana (et al in UK and elsewhere) This is how big it is (and also why all British football fans are seen as hooligans.... )