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Cloud 07-23-2009 07:35 PM

Dreadful news
 
It's a slippery slope between reading/watching the news in order to stay reasonably informed about current events and rubbernecking. I must admit I'm attracted to the dreadful. Like the woman who had a baby in a portapotty and just dumped it there while she went back to her BBQ (a few weeks ago) to the lady who hit a guy in her car, and parked the car in her garage--with the guy still alive stuck in the windshield for days until he died (that one gave me nightmares).

And this one about the recent rape of a 9 year old girl in Phoenix by a group of boys. This kind of stuff makes me FURIOUS! Cultural validity to rape does not make it right!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/23/...ult/index.html

Quote:

The victim and the boys charged are all from refugee families that have come to the United States from the war-torn West African nation of Liberia, police said.

the girl's 23-year-old sister, who said she was baby-sitting the girl at the time of the alleged attack.

The sister, who was not identified by name by the station, expressed mixed feelings about her sister's attack. "I came to her and said it's not good for you to be following guys because you are still little," the sister told KTVK. She also said that she wanted the suspects to be released from jail because "we are the same people."

"When she comes back I'm going to tell her don't ever do that again because all of us, we are the same family, we are from the same place. Now she is just bringing confusion among us. Now the other people, they don't want to see her," the sister told KTVK.

Tony Weedor, a Liberian who fled civil war with his family and now lives in the Denver, Colorado, area, told CNN that cultural aspects are deep in the case. In Liberia rape was not against the law until 2006, he said.

"The family [believes they] have been shamed by her, not a crime, but the name of the family has been degraded and news will get back to Liberia. And they're more concerned about that than the crime . . .
I hope those people are taught a lesson.

sugarpop 07-23-2009 09:47 PM

Damn. Some parts of the world are still so backward in their beliefs.

I thought that thing about the man in the windshield was just an episode of CSI! that really happened? :shock:

Crimson Ghost 07-23-2009 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 583569)
Damn. Some parts of the world are still so backward in their beliefs.

I thought that thing about the man in the windshield was just an episode of CSI! that really happened? :shock:


Well, yes and no.

Cloud 07-23-2009 11:21 PM

yeah, it really happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chante_Jawan_Mallard

Cloud 07-23-2009 11:26 PM

Here's the Snopes link--maybe it will work this time:

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/gruesome/bargrill.asp

Crimson Ghost 07-25-2009 02:44 AM

Thanks, Cloud.

Don't know what happened there.

TheMercenary 07-25-2009 08:08 AM

Pretty sad statement. I guess it just goes to prove that no matter how bad we want other people to be like us there are some cultures that just do things differently.

Sundae 07-25-2009 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 583834)
Pretty sad statement. I guess it just goes to prove that no matter how bad we want other people to be like us there are some cultures that just do things differently.

Yup, I am shaking my head at Carla Vigneri and your culture.

TheMercenary 07-25-2009 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 583851)
Yup, I am shaking my head at Carla Vigneri and your culture.

I was speaking of Cloud's post. Where the father no longer wants his daughter because she was raped. Carla Vigneri problem does not seem to culturally based. That is just another deranged psychotic chick with major issues.

Cloud 07-25-2009 10:10 AM

Liberian leaders have publicly denounced the family's reaction. The Liberian president is female, which is interesting. It's very hard to change culturally ingrained practices, but maybe they're trying.

TheMercenary 07-25-2009 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 583896)
It's very hard to change culturally ingrained practices, but maybe they're trying.

Yea, well we have a half-black President too, and I see only a small change. :headshake

Cloud 07-25-2009 10:15 AM

It takes a long time. A long time, and I do see a change in race relations, in gender equality, too--but slow change, and we all need to work harder at it.

ZenGum 07-27-2009 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 583899)
Yea, well we have a half-black President too, and I see only a small change. :headshake

Ah, but can you believe in it?

What Cloud said. This kind of change takes generations to really achieve.

Sundae 07-27-2009 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 583899)
Yea, well we have a half-black President too, and I see only a small change. :headshake

Ah Merc, don't do this to me!
You have a mixed race President (who was brought up in both an Islamic and a Christian culture) and you want to make a point that he wasn't able to snap his fingers and solve ALL race/ religious/ cultural problems instantly?

Isn't his election a massive thumbs up in favour of the original "melting pot" of early US policy?

I hated Margaret Thatcher's politics.
I still do - I will stand on her grave and tramp the dirt down.
But I am pleased the British public were able to vote in a female Prime Minister.
I celebrated the 20th/ 21st century moving forward, even across party lines.

Shawnee123 07-27-2009 01:35 PM

If there were a thread about, say, inferior tomato sauce, merc would say it's Obama's fault. It's his only agenda, and it's tiresome.

I like the merc, I've found he's a pretty good person in a lot of ways (Ha, bet you never thought I'd say that) but his constant negativity and broken record political crap is probably going to land him on ignore. I'm sure he cares ;) but really, it's making me ill to read it ALL THE TIME.

Pie 07-27-2009 03:47 PM

Who's this Merc guy?

;)

Flint 07-27-2009 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 584409)
...but [somebody's something] is probably going to land him on ignore.

Why would anyone care care whether another person had them on ignore or not?
To the ignored person, it is a non-event. Nothing changes, they don't stop existing.

TheMercenary 07-27-2009 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie (Post 584461)
Who's this Merc guy?

;)

:D

Road kill.

Shawnee123 07-28-2009 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 584466)
Why would anyone care care whether another person had them on ignore or not?
To the ignored person, it is a non-event. Nothing changes, they don't stop existing.

Well, that's why I said "I'm sure he cares" and cyber-winked, ya dil-rod.

TheMercenary 07-28-2009 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 584409)
If there were a thread about, say, inferior tomato sauce, merc would say it's Obama's fault.

Well it would be. :D

Sheldonrs 07-28-2009 12:09 PM

Regarding the Phoenix rape, in my opinion, rapists deserve the death penalty. No, I don't mean statutory rape, involving 2 16-year-olds who consent. I mean violent, against the will rape.
And I also believe that ANYONE, regardless of cultural background or upbringing, that believes the victim is to blame, should be sitting in the lap of the rapist when the volts are sent through the chair.

Cloud 07-28-2009 12:23 PM

Be glad I didn't post the story about the mother who ate her baby.

Ick.

or the canary fighting ring.

Glinda 07-28-2009 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheldonrs (Post 584669)
Regarding the Phoenix rape, in my opinion, rapists deserve the death penalty. No, I don't mean statutory rape, involving 2 16-year-olds who consent. I mean violent, against the will rape.
And I also believe that ANYONE, regardless of cultural background or upbringing, that believes the victim is to blame, should be sitting in the lap of the rapist when the volts are sent through the chair.

*votes for Sheldon*

Crimson Ghost 07-28-2009 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheldonrs (Post 584669)
Regarding the Phoenix rape, in my opinion, rapists deserve the death penalty. No, I don't mean statutory rape, involving 2 16-year-olds who consent. I mean violent, against the will rape.
And I also believe that ANYONE, regardless of cultural background or upbringing, that believes the victim is to blame, should be sitting in the lap of the rapist when the volts are sent through the chair.

Shel, the Department Of Justice just called.
They'd like to see your résumé, as they have a job offer.

classicman 07-30-2009 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheldonrs (Post 584669)
Regarding the Phoenix rape, in my opinion, rapists deserve the death penalty. No, I don't mean statutory rape, involving 2 16-year-olds who consent. I mean violent, against the will rape.
And I also believe that ANYONE, regardless of cultural background or upbringing, that believes the victim is to blame, should be sitting in the lap of the rapist when the volts are sent through the chair.

2nded

Shawnee123 09-24-2010 12:32 PM

Pope Rat has always known about the abuse.

Quote:

MORRISONVILLE, Ill. – Matt McCormick was in the seventh grade when Father Alvin Campbell gave him a ride home from a baseball game. As they were driving along country roads, Campbell put his hand on McCormick’s thigh and “just left it there.”

It was the first time the priest had touched him. During the next three years, McCormick says, the abuse would go much further.

That was 25 years ago. Just three months ago, he learned that Pope Benedict XVI played a role in keeping his abuser in the church when CNN told him about a letter signed by the pontiff – then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger – refusing to defrock the pedophile priest.

Father Campbell was convicted in 1985 of multiple charges of sexual assault, and sentenced to 14 years in prison.

Quote:

But Campbell’s bishop, Daniel Ryan, was bothered by a disturbing fact: Despite his criminal conviction and prison sentence, Campbell was still a priest – and refused to quit.

Ryan brought the case to the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who today is Pope Benedict XVI. Ryan asked Benedict to forcibly remove Campbell from the priesthood.

In a personally signed letter, Ratzinger, citing Canon law, said he couldn’t defrock Campbell without Campbell’s permission – and instead suggested a local church trial, which would have taken years. It would be three more years before Bishop Ryan could persuade Campbell to request his own defrocking.
The church says Canon law has changed:

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Monsignor Charles Scicluna, the prosecutor for the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, says things have changed in the church.

“Today, Canon law has a different scenario,” Scicluna said. “This thing would not happen under [today’s] Canon Law.”
So, now I suppose priests get defrocked for defrocking children?

disclaimer: I loved Father W at my elementary school/church. He was a wonderful man, as was Sister N, the principal of the school. It's just unfathomable to me how, as a child, it would feel to have one of the most powerful people in your young life take advantage of you that way. :(

:headshake

link

Lamplighter 09-24-2010 12:48 PM

I saw that CNN is doing a special report tonight on the Pope's knowledge and actions back in the '80's. The schedule is also in your link:

Editor’s note: A one-hour CNN special, “What the Pope Knew,” will air this Saturday and Sunday, Sept. 25 and Sept. 26, at 8pm and 11pm ET. This story is drawn from that report.

Shawnee123 09-24-2010 12:50 PM

Must DVR that!


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