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sugarpop 02-24-2009 09:29 PM

Bobby Jindal
 
..is an idiot... And a fucking LIAR.

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 09:33 PM

He is 100% more honest than that whore Pelosi. :D

Aliantha 02-24-2009 09:33 PM

Who is he?

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 538519)
Who is he?

the first Indian (India) American to be a Gov of any state, in his case the State of LA. As well versed as our half-white President.

sugarpop 02-24-2009 09:38 PM

He is the governor of New Orleans (the first Indian, from India, I believe, voted into office). And he is saying, "Americans can do anything..." which we can, but he is referring to things like universal health care. IF "Americans" could solve the problem by themselves, the problem wouldn't be here. Corporate America doesn't allow it. He is so fucking simplistic and ideological it makes me wanna puke. And, he sounds he completely insincere. He actually said earlier this week he wouldn't accept federal money in the stimulus plan for extended unemployment benefits for the people in his state.

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 09:40 PM

One of the few states to actually be gaining jobs.

I don't think I heard him say we were going to cure cancer this year. :lol2:

Aliantha 02-24-2009 09:41 PM

I don't think Obama said this year either mate. ;)

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 538522)
He actually said earlier this week he wouldn't accept federal money in the stimulus plan for extended unemployment benefits for the people in his state.

Quite a few states said that they would not accept some of the money from the stimulus package. They should be applauded. Have you read the details of their reasons. They are quite valid.

sugarpop 02-24-2009 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 538526)
Quite a few states said that they would not accept some of the money from the stimulus package. They should be applauded. Have you read the details of their reasons. They are quite valid.

yes, they are all republican and they are NOT looking out for the best interest's of the people who elected them. They should look to Charlie Christ and Arnold for inspirations and TRUTH. Did you see them this weekend on Meet the Press and George Stephanopoulis?

sugarpop 02-24-2009 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 538525)
I don't think Obama said this year either mate. ;)

He's just being being his usual self. Pay no attention.

Aliantha 02-24-2009 09:45 PM

I'm just stiring the pot. :)

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 538525)
I don't think Obama said this year either mate. ;)

Ok, why would anyone be so stupid to even let him include it in his speech. He obviously has no clue about cancer research or how money is doled out to conduct such research. Not to mention the state of the research on cancer in the US. What a frigging moron. leaving that one bit out would have increased the validity of his talking points by 100%.

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 538528)
yes, they are all republican and they are NOT looking out for the best interest's of the people who elected them. They should look to Charlie Christ and Arnold for inspirations and TRUTH. Did you see them this weekend on Meet the Press and George Stephanopoulis?

Uggg, I can't watch that idiot. Stephanopoulis is a tool.

sugarpop 02-24-2009 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 538532)
Ok, why would anyone be so stupid to even let him include it in his speech. He obviously has no clue about cancer research or how money is doled out to conduct such research. Not to mention the state of the research on cancer in the US. What a frigging moron. leaving that one bit out would have increased the validity of his talking points by 100%.

The ONLY reason why cancer has not been cured, is because it is more profitable for insurance/pharamceutical companies to TREAT it. And yes, I do believe that. Anyone who knows anything about the fraud and greed of pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies knows that is probably the truth.

sugarpop 02-24-2009 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 538533)
Uggg, I can't watch that idiot. Stephanopoulis is a tool.

And Meet the Press?

And you can't watch George, but you watch Bill O'Reilly? bwahahahahahaahahahahaa :lol2: That is HYSTERICAL dude!

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 538536)
The ONLY reason why cancer has not been cured, is because it is more profitable for insurance/pharamceutical companies to TREAT it. And yes, I do believe that. Anyone who knows anything about the fraud and greed of pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies knows that is probably the truth.

You are fucking killing me!!!!! :lol2:

And you think Nobama is going to fix this! :rolleyes:

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 538537)
And Meet the Press?

And you can't watch George, but you watch Bill O'Reilly? bwahahahahahaahahahahaa :lol2: That is HYSTERICAL dude!

Who said that? Not me. Only that I can't watch that guy who is a Clintonite getting rich off people like you that watch him.

sugarpop 02-24-2009 10:00 PM

I didn't say that. I never said that. PLEASE show me where I said anything NEAR that.

sugarpop 02-24-2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 538541)
Who said that? Not me. Only that I can't watch that guy who is a Clintonite getting rich off people like you that watch him.

I just happened to catch that particular show. I don't normally watch it. But the interview was a good one, and just because he worked for Clinton doesn't make his show invalid.

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 10:05 PM

I think he and Monica may have been fighting for the spot under the desk.

sugarpop 02-24-2009 10:13 PM

:rolleyes:

Redux 02-24-2009 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 538526)
Quite a few states said that they would not accept some of the money from the stimulus package. They should be applauded. Have you read the details of their reasons. They are quite valid.

In fact, his reason for not accepting the unemployment insurance extension funds in the stimulus bill is completely baseless and purely political.

Which is why when Jindal was in Congress in 2005, he co-sponsored a bill with a provision to extend federal unemployment benefits to workers who lost jobs due to Katrina for up to one year.

Now that he wants to be a potential presidential candidate for 2012..its time to play to the base and oppose a provision in the stimulus bill that would extend unemployment benefits for up to 20 weeks.

Can you say hypocrite?

*Stepping back now to watch the MercSugar show*

classicman 02-24-2009 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 538573)
*Stepping back now to watch the MercSugar show*

I saved you a seat and :corn:

Redux 02-24-2009 10:28 PM

I do enjoy live theater...but the plot is too predictable.

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 538573)
In fact, his reason for not accepting the unemployment insurance extension funds in the stimulus bill is completely baseless.

I don't believe you can back that up, since he is actually a Gov and you are a nameless faceless collection of 1's and 0's. But anyway SC and GA gov are talking about the same thing. The spending package for the states come with strings attached. Among those strings are the fact that they would be required to open up the pool of people who are actually eligible for aid and in the long run that would make the problem worse since the money being offered would not cover the long term costs. So yea, they are right. I would turn it down too and I hope our Gov does so.

classicman 02-24-2009 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 538579)
I do enjoy live theater...but the plot is too predictable.

But you haven't seen the special guest star yet.... can you guess who it will be?

Redux 02-24-2009 10:34 PM

Merc...please point to the "strings attached" language to the unemployment insurance provisions in the stimulus bil. You can find the full text of the bill on recovery.gov website.

Cite the section of the bill, please.

BTW, you can find Jindal's co-sponsorship of the bill to extend unemployment benefits for a year here. and the provision in that bill... "“The President shall make such assistance available for 52 weeks after the date of the disaster declaration”...

Extending unemployment benefits for up to 52 weeks in '05 when Bush is in the White House - good
Extending unemployment benefits for up to 20 weeks in '09 when Obama is in the White House and you might want to challenge him in '12 - bad

Now stop interacting with the audience and go find that cite in the stimulus bill and read it aloud before the close of this act of the play!

Aliantha 02-24-2009 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 538588)
But you haven't seen the special guest star yet.... can you guess who it will be?

Oh please let it be UG! I need another heaping helping of his worldly banter to brighten my day. lol

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redux (Post 538592)
Merc...please point to the "strings attached" language to the unemployment insurance provisions in the stimulus bil. You can find the full text of the bill on recovery.gov website.

Cite the section of the bill, please.

BTW, you can find Jindal's co-sponsorship of the bill to extend unemployment benefits for a year here. and the provision in that bill... "“The President shall make such assistance available for 52 weeks after the date of the disaster declaration”...

Extending unemployment benefits for up to 52 weeks in '05 when Bush is in the White House - good
Extending unemployment benefits for up to 20 weeks in '09 when Obama is in the White House and you might want to challenge him in '12 - bad

Now stop interacting with the audience and go find that cite in the stimulus bill and read it aloud before the close of this act of the play!

Google it. There is only a 2 year window for the funds with strings attached. Every news source is carrying it. You don't have to believe it. Facts are facts, I hope we turn it down.

Redux 02-24-2009 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 538605)
Google it. There is only a 2 year window for the funds with strings attached. Every news source is carrying it. You don't have to believe it. Facts are facts, I hope we turn it down.

SO you cant cite it. I got it.

What strings are attached?

Why is it you only believe what Republicans say and is carried in the media?

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 10:57 PM

2 years of funding only. Opens up to a larger pool.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090222/...us_republicans

http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/...ll01-15-09.pdf

Redux 02-24-2009 11:03 PM

So point me to the "strings"

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 11:05 PM

Keep looking you will find it. I found it after a few minutes. Your original source links are there.

Redux 02-24-2009 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 538622)
Keep looking you will find it. I found it after a few minutes. Your original source links are there.

If you found it, show me the strings...or at least give me a page number.

Or perhaps you cant find the actual language in the bill that attaches any "strings" on the states accepting the funding.

Because there are no strings?

ZenGum 02-24-2009 11:11 PM

Here's ya damn strings!

:violin:

That help you any?

;)

Redux 02-24-2009 11:12 PM

Cool.....musical entertainment during intermission!

Redux 02-24-2009 11:28 PM

Extension of Emergency Unemployment Compensation. Through December 31, 2009, the bill continues the Emergency Unemployment Compensation program, which provides up to 33 weeks of extended unemployment benefits to workers exhausting their regular benefits. This provision is estimated to cost $26.96 billion.

Increase in Unemployment Compensation Benefits. The bill increases unemployment weekly benefits by an additional $25 through 2009. This provision is estimated to cost $8.8 billion
No strings.

TheMercenary 02-24-2009 11:36 PM

What happens after 2009?

Redux 02-24-2009 11:39 PM

The states return to the current unemployment formulas.

Redux 02-24-2009 11:43 PM

If the need remains as great as it is today, Obama and Congress can extend it again...either nationally or a state-by-state basis as needed.

In the same manner that Bush and Jindal did in '05 for Louisiana when he was in Congress.

Still, no strings.

sugarpop 02-25-2009 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redux

*Stepping back now to watch the MercSugar show*
Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 538576)
I saved you a seat and :corn:

You should see us in bed... :D

:girlband: :whip:

classicman 02-25-2009 07:36 AM

no thanks - ewwww I think I just threw up a little in my mouth

Pie 02-25-2009 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 538536)
The ONLY reason why cancer has not been cured, is because it is more profitable for insurance/pharamceutical companies to TREAT it..

Sugar, I agree with many things you have said, but I call bullshit on this statement. Yes, pharma is a greedy lot of backstabbing mofos, but I sincerely doubt cancer will be "cured" in our lifetimes, or possibly forever. Cancer is the end-state of nuclear breakdown; as long as DNA is damageable, life will die of something, and that 'something' is cancer. (Assuming we gain the technology/understanding to fix everything else!)

Redux 02-25-2009 07:53 AM

Good news, Merc.

I found the "strings" this morning....it required quite a stretch of the provision, along with the most limited thinking by those Republican governors on how to make it work.

But then I would never accuse Republicans of being broad-minded in their thinking if they can find an ideological reason not to.

classicman 02-25-2009 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redux (Post 538712)
Good news, Merc.

I found the "strings" this morning....it required quite a stretch of the provision, along with the most limited thinking by those Republican governors on how to make it work.

Please share. I got too tired last night to keep looking.
I am curious if this is the same issue I was talking about in another thread. The one where the states would be on the hook to continue funding certain things after the stimulus money was exhausted.

Guess it was just BS since no one else saw, heard or seems to care.

glatt 02-25-2009 08:52 AM

Bobby Jindal did a better job than I would have. But I have to say that it was really weird. To cut from the packed house of Obama's speech to a guy talking to a camera in the hallway of his mansion just didn't work too well. I didn't watch his whole speech, I went to bed instead, but the first few minutes seemed a bit awkward and pointless.

I'd never seen him speak before, so maybe he is usually better, but I wasn't impressed.

The network I was watching had a short interview with Ron Emmanuel between the two speeches. I had never heard him speak before. He seemed fairly fake. He used each question to parrot the talking points Obama had just made, but without answering the question. I think it actually hurt Obama's impact on those points, because Obama sounded sincere when he said the stuff, but Emmanuel sounded like a politician making sure to covering the talking points. He should stay behind the scenes in the future. I'm sure he is talented in what he does, but it's not talking to the press. He's a phoney.

Obama's speech was pretty good. In the beginning, when he was just warming up, I was really distracted by Pelosi. She kept fidgeting, and looking around, and licking her lips, and playing with her program. Then either she calmed down, or Obama started to get into the meat of his speech, because I wasn't bugged by her any more.

The applause is crazy. I wish there was a source that would show who applauded for each item. I'm curious to know if the Republican Senators from Maine who voted with the Democrats on the Stimulus package stood up and clapped when that point was brought up. Or if they tried to straddle the fence by not publicly applauding the bill they supported.

Anyway, those are just some random thoughts.

Oh, and I had to chuckle when Obama basically said that the USA invented the car. He didn't actually say it, just very strongly implied it. Of course, it was Karl Benz who invented the car. He's German. I think Obama was hoping most Americans think Henry Ford invented the automobile. It's what I was taught in grade school after all.

Bullitt 02-25-2009 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 538536)
The ONLY reason why cancer has not been cured, is because it is more profitable for insurance/pharamceutical companies to TREAT it. And yes, I do believe that. Anyone who knows anything about the fraud and greed of pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies knows that is probably the truth.

:rotflol:
when I hear things like that it always makes me think of this:

Undertoad 02-25-2009 09:36 AM

Ha ha related videos are related




xoxoxoBruce 02-25-2009 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 538735)
snip~
Oh, and I had to chuckle when Obama basically said that the USA invented the car. He didn't actually say it, just very strongly implied it. Of course, it was Karl Benz who invented the car. He's German. I think Obama was hoping most Americans think Henry Ford invented the automobile. It's what I was taught in grade school after all.

Benz invented the automobile and his wealthy clients enjoyed scaring the horses of the hoi polloi. But America invented the car.;)

busterb 02-25-2009 12:01 PM

BTW Nu Awlins don't got a flapping Governor!

Redux 02-25-2009 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 538729)
Please share. I got too tired last night to keep looking.
I am curious if this is the same issue I was talking about in another thread. The one where the states would be on the hook to continue funding certain things after the stimulus money was exhausted.

Guess it was just BS since no one else saw, heard or seems to care.

The "string" is a program in the bill that offers incentives to states willing to update their UC laws to include coverage for part-time workers (and some other low income jobs), currently not covered, but an increasingly large part of the unemployed in the country. Particularly, those who were hired to replace full-time workers then subsequently fired or layed off.

There is an additional $3 billion available and the complaint from a few governors is that the states would then be on the hook to continue to provide UC benefits to these part-time workers when the federal funds dry up.

It seems to me that the state can update their laws and include a sunset provision...."these part time workers are covered until such time as federal UC funds are no longer available."

TGRR 02-25-2009 08:09 PM

He's Barack Obama without the oratory ability.

TGRR 02-25-2009 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 538735)
Oh, and I had to chuckle when Obama basically said that the USA invented the car. He didn't actually say it, just very strongly implied it. Of course, it was Karl Benz who invented the car. He's German. I think Obama was hoping most Americans think Henry Ford invented the automobile. It's what I was taught in grade school after all.


They teach all kinds of horrible lies in grade school.

Griff 02-25-2009 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullitt (Post 538739)
:rotflol:
when I hear things like that it always makes me think of this:

That is awesome!

ZenGum 02-25-2009 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 538876)
He's Barack Obama without the oratory ability.

I just saw him on TV last night.

I can't help thinking the R party went like this:

Crap, Obama is popular. Gotta criticise him. He's black. Hey, lets get a black guy to criticise him. Who have we got? [awkward pause]
JINDAL! He's ... well, he's dark-ish. Good enough. He'll do, push him forwards, give him this script to read. Hope his delivery improves.

As most of you have remarked, he seems very insincere, awkward, scripted.

I just wish his name didn't rhyme with brindle. :bolt:

Clodfobble 02-26-2009 08:47 AM

Jindal is also being groomed for a run in 2012. (Though maybe less so now, I think even most Republicans agree he didn't come off that great.) He was considered a top contender for the VP slot before McCain chose Palin instead.

classicman 02-26-2009 08:56 AM

Purge baby, Purge

Pie 02-26-2009 09:20 AM

I don't know a single American of Indian descent that is proud of him. Personally, he makes me want to vomit.

xoxoxoBruce 02-26-2009 09:33 AM

Well there you go, proof he's a real politician. :haha:

classicman 02-26-2009 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pie (Post 539023)
I don't know a single American of Indian descent that is proud of him. Personally, he makes me want to vomit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 539020)
Purge baby, Purge



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