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TheMercenary 02-20-2009 12:35 PM
Dems Junkets on the taxpayer dime?
 
Pelosi on a fun trip to Italy? She travels to Italy on a government owned Jet @ 10K per hour. Museums, shows, fine dinning? Guess who is paying for this? You are. Aren't we suppose to be saving money for the tax payer and looking for ways to reduce spending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaDtkG6afBc

And when did Pelosi start to work for the State Department? Isn't this really the job of Clinton?

CNN just did about a 8 min segment on this and another junket by 6 dems which was nothing more than a sight-seeing trip to see the MLK musemum. Good job guys.

TheMercenary 02-20-2009 01:02 PM
Well this is rich!

2/20/09 8:53 AM EST

Quote:
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) put pledge to paper on Thursday by sending her committee chairmen a letter asking them to "conduct rigorous oversight of all aspects of federal spending" in order to reduce an escalating budget deficit.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19052.html

TheMercenary 02-20-2009 06:16 PM
And the news begins to trickle out. The story on CNN said that they would not know the complete cost of these trips until 60 days after they returned.

Quote:
Congress Under Fire for Travels During Recess
February 20, 2009 02:01 PM
by Rachel Balik
Congress is attacking big corporations for wasteful spending; meanwhile, congressional delegations to Europe are drawing scrutiny.

Trips to Europe Necessary, Congress Says, But Not All Constituents Agree
In the weeks surrounding the controversial stimulus package and corporate bailouts, members of Congress have been relentless in their criticism of corporate spending. Meanwhile, members of Congress have been making numerous international trips during recess, much of which is financed by taxpayers. They say the travel is essential so that they can learn about other countries and make better decisions as representatives, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported.

Rep. John Tanner (D-Tenn.), who is leading one such trip to Europe, responded to criticism by providing an itinerary of the trip, which he said was almost all work, ABC News reports. The trip includes stops in Brussels (headquarters of NATO; Tanner is currently NATO president), Vienna and Paris.

A recent congressional delegation to Italy, headed by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, is the particular focus of negative attention during a time when many feel Congress members should remain at home, aiding their constituents. Although she has met with the pope on her trip, she has also been visiting museums and has even been presented with the gift of her Italian grandparents' birth records, MarketWatch reported.

Some conservatives have alleged that Pelosi's flight to Italy cost $200,000. Rumors have been circulating for quite some time that Pelosi uses a 200-seat Air Force jet for her flights, and that she is the first Speaker to regularly fly on military planes. However, nonpartisan Web site FactCheck.org explains that, in fact, Speaker Dennis Hastert was the first to make regular use of Air Force planes, and that Pelosi uses the same type that he did, a 12-seater.

For years, top employees were rewarded with upscale vacations in the guise of business trips and retreats. But even companies not receiving federal bailout money are trimming their budgets these days, and extravagant corporate retreats have been the first perks to get cut. Cancellations and cutbacks on such trips have been so dramatic that hotels and resorts are panicking about the backlash that new temperate spending will wreak on the travel industry.

Some companies have continued with events that have a necessary purpose, such as business trips, but many are cutting back. The New York Times reports that outerwear manufacturer The North Face recently had its employees camp out in tents on a recent retreat to save money on hotel rooms.

The cuts are about more than saving money—they’re also about saving face. Few companies are eager to join the list of those that have been singled out for extravagant or luxury spending.

Struggling financial corporation Citigroup has received significant criticism recently for expenditures that many people see as unnecessary. At the end of January, Reps. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, and Ted Poe, R-Texas, joined a growing chorus of public critics of Citigroup’s $400 million deal to name the New York Mets’ new home stadium Citi Field, when they sent a letter to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner asking him to dissolve the deal.

“It’s just totally unacceptable that Citigroup should be able to spend $400 million in naming rights when they’re the recipients of a massive federal bailout,” Kucinich said, according to Newsday.

The close scrutiny of corporate spending first arose in the wake of the AIG bailout in the fall of 2008. Soon after the insurance giant received billions in government loans, executives went ahead with a scheduled executive retreat in California. The company ran up a tab of $440,000, and U.S. News & World Report published the invoice from the controversial AIG retreat, provided by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. The retreat included over $20,000 in spa treatments for the executives.

But The Wall Street Journal reported that the Republican members of Congress continued on with a retreat to a Virginia resort, right in the midst of criticizing the stimulus package for its "pork." The party did not fund the trip with taxpayer dollars, but they did use campaign funds to pay for luxury room and board. The Journal also reported that Democrats took a two-day trip that did rely on taxpayer dollars to hold an "issues conference." A spokeswoman for the Caucus emphasized that the trip involved intense and focused work. Meanwhile, both the House and Congress increased their own salaries this year by $4,700, justified as a cost of living raise.
What duplicity.

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/...ng-Recess.html

TGRR 02-20-2009 07:38 PM
I am shocked! SHOCKED, I TELL YOU! :lol:

classicman 02-21-2009 12:52 AM
Change you can believe in! Just the characters have changed - seems like more of the same - bummer.

TGRR 02-21-2009 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 537054)
Change you can believe in! Just the characters have changed - seems like more of the same - bummer.
Optimist.

Beestie 02-21-2009 01:00 AM
I'd be outraged if I weren't so numb to it all. Maybe punchdrunk is a better word.

classicman 02-21-2009 01:51 AM
They got you/us right where they want you/us.

Redux 02-21-2009 06:30 AM
I think this is much ado about nothing.

Congress has a significant role in overseeing foreign policy.

Why would anyone want to "change" that?

I want members of Congress, particularly the leaders and those who serve on Foreign Relations Committee, to meet with foreign officials, and attend NATO meetings, particularly at a time and with the intent of persuading NATO to help take the load off of the US in Afghanistan.

Oh well, I guess some find Merc's link to an editorial (opinion) by Rachel Balek to be persuasive:
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Rachel was a copywriter at a financial services marketing firm. She has also worked in arts administration at New York's Roundabout Theatre Company and as a production assistant on off-Broadway shows. Rachel's eclectic post-college years also include a stint as a yoga studio assistant and a summer spent assistant-teaching philosophy at Phillips Exeter Academy. She has a B.A. in English and Philosophy from the University of Pennsylvania with a minor in Theatre Arts.
Right...lets have the manner in which Congress oversees foreign policy be guided by the opinion of an off-Broadway assistant producer/yoga studio assistant.

I can only imagine the criticism if the Democrats stayed at home and did not go meet foreign leaders or attend meetings of our alliances....
"Why dont they get off their collective asses and go meet with our allies, instead of being armchair quarterbacks from their cushy offices in DC."
You just cant win if someone is intent on finding fault.

TGRR 02-21-2009 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 537096)
I think this is much ado about nothing.
Naw. But what IS happening is that the GOP is bitching about things that they, themselves, do all the fucking time (my favorite example is John Sununu, though there are plenty of more recent examples).

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 09:53 AM
It is not about who did what, it is about the double standards and duplicity. Need I post some grand Nancy Pelosi quotes and Obama quotes about change and how the are going to do things differently in Washington?

Redux 02-22-2009 10:01 AM
Where is the double standard when Congressional travel (and gifts) are covered by the more stringent and transparent Ethics/Lobbying/Gift reform that Pelosi and Reid enacted when the Democrats first assumed control?

BTW, it was the first such reform in 20 years and while it doesnt go nearly far enough for me, it provides far more limitations and reporting requirements than anything the Republicans ever enacted.

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 10:03 AM
I guess you have not heard much about the latest Pelosi trip.

Redux 02-22-2009 10:05 AM
I guess you havent read the Ethics/Lobbying/Gift Reform rules that the Democrats put in place.

But of course, I dont expect you to acknowledge that "change"...it goes everything you stand for.

richlevy 02-22-2009 10:10 AM
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Some conservatives have alleged that Pelosi's flight to Italy cost $200,000. Rumors have been circulating for quite some time that Pelosi uses a 200-seat Air Force jet for her flights, and that she is the first Speaker to regularly fly on military planes. However, nonpartisan Web site FactCheck.org explains that, in fact, Speaker Dennis Hastert was the first to make regular use of Air Force planes, and that Pelosi uses the same type that he did, a 12-seater.
I remember talking to someone I knew who worked for a major computer company. He was complaining about being sent to Paris again. It wasn't until I went on my first business trip late in my career to San Francisco and LA (multiple times) that I understood how draining it can be. Working long days and returning to your hotel too exhausted to do anything but sleep makes the location irrelevant.

I have less sympathy for people who have retreats at fancy resorts where the invitees can duck out of any or all programs.

If Pelosi or any member of Congress worked a full schedule and didn't spend most of their time touring the wine country, that's fine. I wonder if their itineraries are public by law or by choice.

At the very least, she didn't pull a Palin and have the government fly her children along at taxpayer expense as special ambassadors or something.

Redux 02-22-2009 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by richlevy (Post 537509)
If Pelosi or any member of Congress worked a full schedule and didn't spend most of their time touring the wine country, that's fine. I wonder if their itineraries are public by law or by choice.
I think the intineraries are not made public in advance for security reasons.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 537505)
I guess you have not heard much about the latest Pelosi trip.
I dont have a problem with Pelosi meeting the Pope, then traveling on to the meet with the US military leaders at NATO, then on to Afghanistan to meet with Pres. Karzai. I wouldnt have a problem if the Republican leader did the same thing.

Sounds like a busy week of state business. Why would you want to change that?

Particularly with stricter and more transparent travel reporting requirements in place.

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 10:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redux (Post 537506)
I guess you havent read the Ethics/Lobbying/Gift Reform rules that the Democrats put in place.

But of course, I dont expect you to acknowledge that "change"...it goes everything you stand for.
None of that changes the facts surrounding her 'junket' as she preaches fiscal responsiblity.

Redux 02-22-2009 10:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 537512)
None of that changes the facts surrounding her 'junket' as she preaches fiscal responsiblity.
The facts are that she met with the heads of state of foreign nations and US military leaders.

I dont see any reason to abandon those trips because some partisan republican hacks are whining about fiscal responsibility.

Foreign policy oversight is also a responsibility of Congress.

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 10:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redux (Post 537515)
The facts are that she met with the heads of state of foreign nations and US military leaders.
Fact is she was on a tax-payer funded junket to visit the land of her ancestors, be lavished with dinners, framed birth certificates of her grandparents, visit museums, and the other visits with the pope were a minor part of the trip. Why Italy? Why not Germany? Or Pakistan? It is because of her heritage. It was nothing more than a taxpayer vacation. She does not and cannot set National Policy on our relationships with Italy. Keep making excuses for her.

Redux 02-22-2009 10:29 AM
Its pointless to discuss it with you.

The facts speak for themselves and others here can make their own judgments.

We know where you stand....thanks for your opinion!

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 10:31 AM
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Shortly after passing the Reinvestment and Recovery Act and shortly after making this statement about struggling Americans...

REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: The American people are feeling a great deal of pain.

GRIFFIN: Speaker Nancy Pelosi and seven fellow Democrats in the House boarded a military charter like this government-owned Boeing 737 executive jet and flew off to Italy. Why in a time of economic crisis would the speaker, who happens to be of Italian heritage travel to Italy?

The United States has no greater ally in NATO than Italy, the speaker said in a statement, "which is why the delegation looks forward to meeting with President Giorgio Napolitano" and other Italian government officials. She also has been going to museums in Florence, receptions at night, and was even presented with the birth certificates of her grandparents by the head of the Italian Chamber of Deputies.

PELOSI: Surprised me with a birth certificate of my grandfather and my great grandmother.

GRIFFIN: Wednesday, Speaker Pelosi, a Roman Catholic, and her husband Paul, also on the trip, had a private audience with the Pope. Her office would not release the entire Italian itinerary of the all- Democratic delegation due to security reasons. So what's the cost of her Italian trip to the taxpayers back home?

We won't know yet. Congress gives its traveling members several weeks to file their expenses, to tell us what hotels they stayed in, to tell us who took their spouses or staff. But the government-owned Boeing executive jet doesn't fly cheap. About $10,000 an hour according to the Air Force, 20 hours flying between Washington and Italy adds up to about $200,000.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...19/ldt.01.html

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 10:33 AM
That is interesting news to the president of the U.S. Travel Association. For weeks now, Congress has chastised banks and bailout recipients for unnecessary trips and conferences. And Roger Dow says that has hurt the travel industry.

ROGER DOW, U.S. TRAVEL ASSOCIATION: By demonizing or by sensationalizing travel, all you're doing is you're not hurting the businessman. You're hurting the bellman, the maid, the town that counts on that travel for taxes.

GRIFFIN: He hopes Congress maybe after these trips will recognize the value for doing business. Right now there's a congressional delegation in Gaza, another in Brussels and Paris. And CNN caught this group of House members on their way to India last Friday to mark the 50th anniversary of Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.'s journey to study Gandhi.

The details, six members of Congress, Martin Luther King III, Andrew Young, musician Herbie Hancock and others, both the U.S. State Department and Congress are picking up the bill. Martin Luther King III, who along with his siblings sold his father's papers for $32 million two years ago, was among the guests of the State Department. He called it the trip of a lifetime.

(END VIDEOTAPE) GRIFFIN: Kitty, we should know all the details in about 60 days when congressional members are required to file their expenses. But I must tell you, some of them judging by their staff comments aren't happy we even brought the subject up or made any comparison between their travel and executive travel. I'll tell you one congressman's press officer even suggested reporting this story was a joke, refusing to answer any of our questions.

PILGRIM: Drew, I don't know how you can treat this story as a joke in this economy with what Americans are going through right now.

GRIFFIN: It certainly seems to be bad timing when you're telling people that we need to pass the stimulus bill because of the economic crisis and then boarding these flights. They will probably argue, as they do, that this is part of their job to go out into the world and to see what they have to pass bills about.

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 10:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redux (Post 537517)
Its pointless to discuss it with you.

The facts speak for themselves and others here can make their own judgments.

We know where you stand....thanks for your opinion!
You can defend her all you want. The thing speaks for itself.

Redux 02-22-2009 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 537501)
You're so cute when you dissemble.
Quoted for truth.

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 10:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redux (Post 537523)
Quoted for truth
:lol2: You guys are funny. Trying to make excuses for this stupid ass politican.:D

richlevy 02-22-2009 11:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redux (Post 537510)
I think the intineraries are not made public in advance for security reasons.
I meant after the fact. As long as members know that they will be scrutinized by the public, that should cut down on abuse.

Palin did not seem to realize that her baggage (pardon the pun) would become public when she sought a national seat.

http://a.abcnews.com/Politics/wireStory?id=6084575

Quote:
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is allowed to charge taxpayers for her children's commercial airline tickets because they represent the state wherever they go with her, the governor's aides said Wednesday.
"There's an expectation that the First Family participates in community activities," said Sharon Leighow, the governor's spokeswoman. "They are representing the First Family and the state of Alaska."


Leighow and other Palin supporters defended the GOP vice presidential candidate's use of $21,012 in state money to pay for her three daughters' flights, after The Associated Press reported the practice on Tuesday. The AP reported that often the children were not invited to the events the governor attended, but she brought them anyway and charged the government.
Maybe first families do get an exemption. I guess it depends if the family is involved in events or not. I wouldn't think that Obama would bring his wife and kids to tour NATO.

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 11:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by richlevy (Post 537538)
I wouldn't think that Obama would bring his wife and kids to tour NATO.
You're kidding right? I would be disappointed if he didn't.

TGRR 02-22-2009 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 537524)
:lol2: You guys are funny. Trying to make excuses for this stupid ass politican.:D

Yea, really, if she's meeting with foreign heads of state, she should arrive on a piper cub. Or, fuck, even an ancient pusher biplane. Because that always gets things off to a great start.

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 12:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TGRR (Post 537560)
Yea, really, if she's meeting with foreign heads of state, she should arrive on a piper cub. Or, fuck, even an ancient pusher biplane. Because that always gets things off to a great start.
As I stated earlier, it appears from the reports that this is a minor part of the trip. And she does not set national policy on issues with Italy. So why would she need to meet with anyone?

TGRR 02-22-2009 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 537581)
As I stated earlier, it appears from the reports that this is a minor part of the trip. And she does not set national policy on issues with Italy. So why would she need to meet with anyone?
Sure she can influence national policy with respect to Italy. Don't be silly.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt

Article I, Sec 8, Clause 3:
Quote:
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
Also, the president doesn't set national policy issues with respect to other nations, either. This must be done by having the State Department (ie, the president), negotiate terms, but the ratification of any treaty is done by...oh, yes. Congress.

Redux 02-22-2009 06:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 537581)
As I stated earlier, it appears from the reports that this is a minor part of the trip. And she does not set national policy on issues with Italy. So why would she need to meet with anyone?
Perhaps to meet with US commanders and forces stationed in Italy?
Quote:
Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Congressional delegation today were briefed by U.S. Admiral Mark Fitzgerald, Commander of U.S. Naval Forces Europe and Africa, and Commander of Allied Joint Force Command Naples. Admiral Fitzgerald and his NATO staff provided information on NATO activities in the Balkans, the ongoing training of Iraqi Security Forces, and operations against pirates off the coast of Somalia....

http://news.prnewswire.com/ViewConte...4975420&EDATE=
Then a speech to the Italian Chamber of Deputies, focusing on shared security and economic interests with a G-7 partner:
Quote:
Speaker Nancy Pelosi today addressed the Italian Chamber of Deputies as part of an official delegation visit. Pelosi was invited to speak before the Chamber by President Gianfranco Fini. Below are the Speaker’s remarks entitled, “Strong Allies for a Secure Future – U.S. / Italian Relations and Future Challenges,” as prepared:....

http://www.isria.info/en/18_February_2009_40.htm
And finally, on to Afghanistan:
Quote:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told Afghan President Hamid Karzai America's "new strategy" in Afghanistan will focus on reconstructing the war-battered country and maintaining strong counter-terrorism measures, his office said....

...The congressional delegation to Afghanistan met Friday with U.S. Forces at Camp Eggers in Kabul and were briefed by U.S. Ambassador William Wood, and U.S. and allied military commanders.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS...osi/index.html
I wonder how many wild and frivolous parties she attended in Afghanistan. We all know that Kabul is a vacation destination for the rich and famous these days.

In fact, the minor part of the trip were the social events (part of every diplomatic trip) that have your panties in a knot.

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 10:10 PM
Pelosi does not make policy for international relations with any country. So tell me again why she went?

Redux 02-22-2009 11:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 537743)
Pelosi does not make policy for international relations with any country. So tell me again why she went?
The US State Department has a report on its website to explain the role of Congressional oversight to foreign officials who might understand the US system of government.

But clearly, Merc, you need a lesson on the US system of government and the role of Congressional oversight as well.

Quote:
Congressional oversight of policy implementation and administration has occurred throughout the history of the United States government under the Constitution. Oversight — the review, monitoring, and supervision of operations and activities —takes a variety of forms and utilizes various techniques...

Congressional oversight refers to the review, monitoring, and supervision of federal agencies, programs, activities, and policy implementation. Congress exercises this power largely through its standing committee system. However, oversight, which dates to the earliest days of the Republic, also occurs in a wide variety of congressional activities and contexts. These include authorization, appropriations, investigative, and legislative hearings by standing committees; specialized investigations by select committees; and reviews and studies by congressional support agencies and staff.

Congress’s oversight authority derives from its “implied” powers in the Constitution, public laws, and House and Senate rules. It is an integral part of the American system of checks and balances....

The philosophical underpinning for oversight is the Constitution’s system of checks and balances among the legislature, executive, and judiciary. James Madison, known as the “Father of the Constitution,” described the system in Federalist No. 51 as establishing “subordinate distributions of power, where the constant aim is to divide and arrange the several offices in such a manner that each may be a check on the other.”

Oversight, as an outgrowth of this principle, ideally serves a number of overlapping objectives and purposes:
* improve the efficiency, economy, and effectiveness of governmental operations;
* evaluate programs and performance;
* detect and prevent poor administration, waste, abuse, arbitrary and capricious behavior, or illegal and unconstitutional conduct;
* protect civil liberties and constitutional rights;
* inform the general public and ensure that executive policies reflect the public interest;
* gather information to develop new legislative proposals or to amend existing statutes;
* ensure administrative compliance with legislative intent; and
* prevent executive encroachment on legislative authority and prerogatives.

In sum, oversight is a way for Congress to check on, and check, the executive.

http://fpc.state.gov/59730.htm
Don't worry...there wont be test. ;)

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 11:33 PM
Clearly you don't understand that the Speaker of the House does not set national policy with individual nations, even if it is the home of her ancestors and she goes on a junket on the taxpayers dime to be wined and dined as she drains the payroll of the government.

Don't worry, I don't actually expect you to fully comprehend this fact.

But I do expect you to try to continue to make excuses for the Demoncratic duplicity and Pelosi's failures.

Redux 02-22-2009 11:42 PM
Merc...you're always good for a laugh. :D

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 11:43 PM
And I can always count on you to be an apologist for the duplicity of the Dems, well at least for the next 4 years. It fits you well. :D

Redux 02-22-2009 11:44 PM
It must be bitch when the facts are on my side.

But why should facts matter in your obsession with Pelosi and Obama.

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 537779)
It must be bitch when the facts are on my side.
Fail.

Pelosi does not set National Policy. Must be a bitch when you live in a fantasy world of your "facts". Give it up. Nothing you have posted disputes anything in this thread. Enjoy your false "facts". :lol2:

Aliantha 02-22-2009 11:47 PM
When are you two going to be nice to each other?

Redux 02-22-2009 11:48 PM
Tell you what, Merc.

I'm happy to let the the Cellar dwellers scroll this thread and decide for themselves.

Redux 02-22-2009 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 537781)
When are you two going to be nice to each other?
I'm done. ;)

Aliantha 02-22-2009 11:49 PM
lol...maybe in this thread? :D

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 11:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redux (Post 537782)
Tell you what, Merc.

I'm happy to let the the Cellar dwellers scroll this thread and decide for themselves.
The Speaker of the House does not set National Policy with Italy, even if they give her framed copies of her grand parents birth certificates. Really. She doesn't.

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 537784)
I'm done. ;)
You failed, you should be done.

Aliantha 02-22-2009 11:54 PM
I'm having the last word here.

word! :)

TheMercenary 02-22-2009 11:57 PM
I would only give in to you.

You win Ali. :D

Aliantha 02-22-2009 11:58 PM
Yay...for the first time in ages I don't feel like a loser. lol

Redux 02-22-2009 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 537788)
I'm having the last word here.

word! :)
LOL

Reminds me of the "discussions" with the MM dog guy (I forget his name).

Aliantha 02-23-2009 12:03 AM
PMdawg? I still get yahoo messages from him every now and then. He's still in Dallas with his radio show and doing well from what he tells me. :)

TheMercenary 02-23-2009 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 537793)
LOL

Reminds me of the "discussions" with the MM dog guy (I forget his name).
Oh, so you are not a newbie with only 300 posts?

Aliantha 02-23-2009 12:06 AM
I first met Redux at a different forum but it closed down.

It was much further to the right than this one in general I think, but there were some interesting posters there. Much the same as this site really.

It's a shame it closed down really.

Redux 02-23-2009 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 537799)
I first met Redux at a different forum but it closed down.

It was much further to the right than this one in general I think, but there were some interesting posters there. Much the same as this site really.

It's a shame it closed down really.
Trade bait...the dalmatian who owned the joint! Now he was far "right" and never wrong...LoL

Aliantha 02-23-2009 12:09 AM
OH yeah...he was ok. He reminds me of UT a bit.

I wonder if there's a certain gene site owners have to have.

I think tradebait was a bit nasty sometimes though.

TheMercenary 02-23-2009 12:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 537799)
I first met Redux at a different forum but it closed down.

It was much further to the right than this one in general I think, but there were some interesting posters there. Much the same as this site really.

It's a shame it closed down really.
Sort of like me and Sugarpop. She is the bomb. I love her.

Redux 02-23-2009 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 537801)
OH yeah...he was ok. He reminds me of UT a bit.

I wonder if there's a certain gene site owners have to have.

I think tradebait was a bit nasty sometimes though.
He was only nasty when outsiders (Aussies) criticized his president!

Mostly, he was clueless.

Aliantha 02-23-2009 12:19 AM
I don't think anyone would accuse UT of being clueless. lol They'd probably be sorry if they tried.

You know, I ended up at MM because I criticised Bush on another very far right forum...and got banned for it. lol

Redux 02-23-2009 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 537805)
I don't think anyone would accuse UT of being clueless. lol They'd probably be sorry if they tried.

You know, I ended up at MM because I criticised Bush on another very far right forum...and got banned for it. lol
No comparison to UT intended.

Banned from Storm? Who wasnt. I think Rainy and I were banned the same day from that one. :eek:

Aliantha 02-23-2009 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 537802)
Sort of like me and Sugarpop. She is the bomb. I love her.
You can meet some very nice people on the internet that's for sure. I admire her tenacity. I don't have the energy to bother at the moment. lol

Aliantha 02-23-2009 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 537806)
No comparison to UT intended.

Banned from Storm? Who wasnt. I think Rainy and I were banned the same day from that one. :eek:
lol...yep storm, although I can post there again now. They got rid of CrimsonLips as a mod, but it's all gone to shit there these days. It's turned into one of those game playing lovey dovey places full of mostly chicks who don't discuss current events or politics...not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just not really my interest. I post there once in a blue moon.

Aliantha 02-23-2009 12:26 AM
Hey...they should do one of their missions to stormchat.com. That would be interesting to watch. lol


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