Obama--the grumblings
 

Blah blah blah:blah:

Bitch moan bitch moan.

Wahhhhhh.

Sour grapes sour grapes.

Your turn.

liberal socialist gramsciian ...

Now you're just getting me all hawt. ;)

:corn:

Were you doing all that?

One thing you're going to have to observe, Shawnee, is just how little the responsible rightwingers behave like the common run of the leftwingers. A good place to observe this is in conservative magazines, of which perhaps National Review and Commentary are the best. Tough to really pick, though. Christian Science Monitor and American Spectator ain't no slouches either. (No experience of The Weekly Standard.)

I was grinning like a fookin' idiot all the way to work today. Listening to NPR.
I almost forgot I could be this proud.

Uh Huh. Ok. Sure. ;)

I too heard today on NPR: today was National Pie Day. Congratulations.

I cannot believe I missed National Pie Day.

I'm sorry Pie. Hope you had a great day! :)

It would be interesting to see you define 'common run'. IMO, Slate, Salon and the New Republic match up well with National Review (I don't know Commentary) and I assume are 'responsible' examples under your definition. As for 'common run', the most watched/read conservatives of late are Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. I am having a hard time finding liberal examples who are both as popular and as damaging to the national psyche.

I find Christian Science Monitor to be an excellent source on politics. They were probably Bush's biggest critics on almost everything.

One of the biggest losers under the Bush Era were conservative intellectuals, who seem to have become disenfranchised under the Republican 'embrace stupidity' anti-'elitist' mantra. The only thing that Bush and Buckley had in common were the first two letters of their last names.

I have a hard time not lumping Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity in there as well though.
What does it tell you when you cannot find their liberal equivalent/s? Is it that they do not exist? You agree with their views and therefore don't believe them "damaging"? Or is it something else. I'm seriously interested.
Disenfranchised is nowhere near a strong enough word.

Rich, what do you read on the right, for balance?

Actually, I read mostly local papers. I get my national news from Google/Yahoo sources, which can be anything from the New York Times to the Los Angeles Times.

As I mentioned earlier, Christian Science Monitor did a lot of good foreign reporting.

Thanks to the Internet, I have read from almost all of the sources UG and I mentioned, except for Commentary. A long time ago, I subscribed to a magazine called Skeptic which presented two sides to every article.

As for broadcast, I tried listening to Air America, but couldn't get into it. I always see clips of Limbaugh and Coulter, but it's like watching a train wreck. I can stand Hannity in very short bursts. I take Maddow and Olbermann with a large grain of salt. They are both partisan, but generally do not have the pure vindictiveness of their conservative counterparts. To find the over-the-top liberals that match up with 'professionals' like Limbagh/Coulter, one would have to bring up amatuers like Garofalo. I will concede that Olbermann has added his 'structured rants', which begins to approach but does not match the level of vitriol of his conservative counterparts .

Don't forget, Pi day is March 14.

Can we not talk about obama on March 14?

Since when do you have a real reason -- not the dubious stuff that has apparently satisfied you until now -- to respond so? Can any one person be that unenlightened? Quite beyond belief, chum. Leftists remain leftists only through stubbornly maintained ignorance, while the conservatives stride from enlightenment to enlightenment. No doubts from you or, say, Bruce can change this progress. You might start to wonder what you're missing.:headshake

At 16:00?

Not the national psyche, Rich -- the leftist psyche, which frankly requires severe damaging if you want a Republic. If you want a tyranny, stick with the Left. Personally, I'm not having any.


Such a "loss" would have been shown in an absence of conservative intellectual effort -- that absence is not in evidence. They're still cranking out the smart stuff, and if anything at a greater pace. What's more, so many of them are Republicans that you just can't show that Republican = intellectually impoverished. This was a clue to me that the left-of-center just ain't got it. Dinesh D'Souza remarked that the bright conservatives don't go into politics as much as their opposite numbers, but instead into business. What I see here is that richlevy is being suckered. Doesn't have to be that way. You may refuse to believe that I'm living proof -- but tell me, from what you've seen is that likely to stop me?

Common run: we could note Harper's and Z. Great founts of unwisdom. I suppose I could go through the labor of reading through them for sentence by sentence quotes -- do you think it would change my opinion?

Hell no. :headshake

Not really. Frankly, if you had lived a few thousand years earlier, you would probably have said something like "Nice rocks Moses, but the golden calf is easier to polish and my neighbors wife is pretty damn hot.'

Why yes. Yes one can. Apparently.

Whenever UG goes really over-the-top, I have another one of my "On the Internet noone knows you're a dog" conspiracy theories that UG is an alter-ego of an existing Cellarite. That maybe s/he was going to use "Urbanana Gorilla" but decided that doing that would reveal the joke.

I do not believe that a real human being could consistently self-parody the way UG has on a primary account, even anonymously.

Maybe Brianna banned herself because she was unable to continue maintaining two Cellar accounts.;)

..nah.. no way. Claudette is a live and let live person. I don't think she would be obsessed with converting others to her beliefs.

Except for the Bri part, that is actually a viable theory. :p

Except that UG does have really good posts about food. That's the only place I've seen him rational, well-informed and interesting.

:lol2:

That's because I think and I seek. What I find in the seeking tells me the Left ain't nowhere near to getting that quintessential "it" which makes a life worth the living. They don't have a lot in common with me. I have better ambitions than they, and it's not like there's only so much room over here by me: there's plenty left for you.

I know there's nothing so irritating as a good example, yet still a good example is the only one I can in conscience give, and the only one I'm going to.

Yeah, there's that Heinleinian remark, somewhere in Starship Troopers, about the guy who doesn't have social values worth having, doesn't want them, and will fight like hell to avoid them -- he thought such men really suck, and I agree.

But you forgot "tasty."

Hee hee -- too bad for Shawnee's worldview that it founders on the fact that I'm realer even than Brianna; not all your piety or wit can efface a line or blot out a word of it, as Khalil Gibran said. As for the people who say "the man's doing a self-parody," they lack a certain breadth of imagination, and they are desperately kidding themselves in an attempt to remain wallowing in their savage and silly darkness of mind. Funny thing to pick over good and enlightened thinking. Doesn't engender a lot of respect for their intellectual powers, I must say. Does display an impressive degree of procrastination, if you're looking for impressive properties. :headshake

Huh?

I can't help but agree with that one.


There's a part of me will always be convinced he's a guy I knew on another forum who liked playing the right wing neocon to the max.


I second that 'Huh'?

"And as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!"

I know Kahlil Gibran. I've read Kahlil Gibran. You, sir, are no Kahlil Gibran. :lol:

:rotflol:

Yay...I made Pie roll! :)

Now he (see thread title) is going to postpone the digital tv conversion..... Why he's already performing miracles at 1600. Do they start the annoying ass 'days till' countdowns on the local stations back to new deadline?
I think if you are not prepared by now, you're too lazy or stoopit to be ready on any date. Whatever happened to "special ed"? Cheese & Rice!

It's not because people are too stupid to know what's going on, it's because there's a huge waiting list for the converter box coupons and the fund has run out of money. They weren't expecting so many people to consider $40 to be worth the nuisance value.

I don't know. I got my converter box coupons after waiting until early December to do so. That was after about 10 months of constant commercials, infomercials, and little marquees running down the bottom of the screen explaining to people they might want to pay attention.

Now there are people on the news pissed off 'cause no one told them but especially if they're actually antenna viewers like I was you couldn't get away from the ads. Doesn't government housing include basic cable? Around here it sure does.

Lady on the news was bitching that they wouldn't just bring her converter boxes to her house, like they do the phone book.

Geez...maybe they don't need to watch spongebob that badly.

You think there must be some, so you seek nutters that agree with you.:rolleyes:

Nicely said.

bwahahahahahahahahaha :biggrinje

My God. Could you be any more condescending? What makes you think YOU are the ultimate authority on "getting that quintessential "it" which makes a life worth the living," or that your personal seeking is better than anyone else's? Or that YOU have better ambitions than "they," whoever "they" are? (I assume you mean all people on the left.) What makes you think YOU have the only social or moral values worth having? Wow. Why don't you go create your own little kingdom for us all to worship and adore?

That post was completely insulting.

As usual.

It is also insulting to conservatives who actually do seek knowlege and adjust accordingly.

Frankly, I wish they wouldn't do it until they've perfected digital. We have cable, 3 TVs have cable from the wall, and one has a digital box. I can't tell you how often the damn box pixalates (sp?) and the picture gets all screwed up and the sound goes out when it happens. It's very annoying, especially since it costs more. You miss important things being said. I've already had the box replaced more than once. They all do it. Comcast SUCKS. Analog actually works better.

What I really wish they would do is make cable truly competetive. It isn't really now. there can be more than one cable company, but they each have their own territories, they don't directly compete with one another. If this was opened up, they way it should be, the way it was meant to be, I think service would go up and prices would go down.

I also wish you could just pick the channels you want and pay for them, instead of having to pay for 150 channels (or now, 900, with digital. who can watch 900 channels?), when you only watch 12 of them.

I'm thinking of just having high speed internet, and watching everything I want to see on TV over the internet, connected to the TV. Only problem with that is when people are watching different things in different rooms. *sigh*

yeparoo. it is.

Agreed.

If you find yourself to be always right, and never adjusting, you aren't a critical thinker and will inevitably be wrong.

Kinda like bushy... :D

I would venture a guess that there are many UT's statement would apply to on both sides of the fence.

Once you are past the age of, say, 18, you have no business believing you are always right. No matter what your political affiliation is!
:angel:

I'm always surprised when people get insulted by UG's posts. Seriously, when he gets on one of his rants as he did back there...don't you just have a giggle and move on? lol I know I don't take him seriously when he starts talking like that.

Sorry UG, but it's true. ;)

Heehee...I'm guessing in UG's world that is the worst thing you could say.

He is rather humorous...I don't get really offended by him because he's just so over the top it's funny. He never seems really angry, just bent on writing some nice prose and telling you that you don't know anything.

:lol:

I think he's a nice bloke stuck inside a bit of a snob who thinks he's pretty good. I'm working hard on 'fixing' him so that he's more 'normal'...just like the rest of us...:rolleyes:

It takes all types. No-one here is all bad, and no-one is all good either. Everyone has their moments when you'd like to clout them over the nog, but when it all comes down to it, there isn't anyone here with a bad heart in my opinion...not even UG!

Agreed. :)

Well, I'm pretty new, so I don't everyone yet. When I read it, I thought it was insulting. But... I AM used to debating really irrational and contentious people on the right fringe, sooo...

You know they set a new world record at the inaugaration?
Yeah.. there were over 1.5 million people there. But only 14 missed work.

Ask Radar about his Constitution. :D

You're not talking about someone we all know and love are you? lol

No. He and I actually get along, MOST of the time. Although I do have to bring out the whip and ball gag every now and then. :D