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BigV 12-14-2008 12:07 PM

"Shoes Fly, Don't Bother Me" soundtrack to Bush's (R) latest visit to Iraq
 
Watch this space.

Shoe tossing a gesture of great contempt.
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In the Arab world, shoe flinging is a gesture of extreme disrespect. A notable occurrence of this gesture happened in Baghdad, Iraq in 2003. When U.S. forces pulled down a giant statue of Saddam Hussein during the 2003 invasion of Iraq, many Iraqi detractors of Hussein threw their shoes at the fallen statue.

This may be an ancient gesture from the Middle East; Psalms 60:10, speaking of some of the traditional enemies of Judah, says that "Moab is my washpot; over Edom will I cast out my shoe...." (KJV)

The shoe represents the lowest part of the body (the foot) and displaying or throwing a shoe at someone or something in Arab cultures denotes that the person or thing is "beneath them." Showing the bottom of one's feet or shoes (for example, putting one's feet up on a table or desk) in Arab cultures is considered an extreme insult. Examples include Iraqi citizens smacking torn-down posters of Saddam Hussein with their shoes, and the depiction of President of the United States George H. W. Bush on a tile mosaic of the floor of the Al-Rashid Hotel's lobby, forcing all visitors entering the hotel to walk on Bush's face to enter the hotel.

BigV 12-14-2008 12:10 PM

Man throws shoes at Bush in Iraq

By JENNIFER LOVEN – 31 minutes ago

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BAGHDAD (AP) — A man threw his shoes at President George W. Bush and was dragged away by security officials during the president's farewell trip to Iraq.

The incident occurred as Bush was appearing Sunday with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

Bush ducked and wasn't hit by either shoe. Bush joked, saying that all he can report was that it was a size 10 shoe. then calmly took questions.

Sundae 12-14-2008 01:39 PM

We've just seen this on the news while eating our tea.
Really made us laugh.

Shame on the thrower though, he really should have adjusted his aim after Bush ducked the first one.

elSicomoro 12-14-2008 02:39 PM

I would have preferred a pie in the face myself, but given how serious shoe flinging is in the Arab world, it's quite enjoyable.

Aliantha 12-14-2008 03:28 PM

Quote:

"The greatest regret of my presidency was the lack of intelligence in Iraq" - George W. Bush.

"The greatest regret of my presidency was the lack of intelligence"

Fixed if for you Mr Bush.

classicman 12-14-2008 03:42 PM

What? No mobs of hatred? No gatherings or mass protests? Guess they killed all of "those Iraqis."

BigV 12-14-2008 04:17 PM



Interesting.

"This is a farewell kiss, you dog."

TheMercenary 12-14-2008 05:28 PM

So if someone throws a pie or a pipe bomb at Obama you guys would be ok with that? Now that would be funny.

How about a noose? would that be funny? Disrespect is disrespect, no matter where it happens.

footfootfoot 12-14-2008 06:54 PM

I have to agree with Merc here. Depsite the contempt and disrespect Bush has shown to pretty much everyone in the world but his cronies, showing disrespect back to him only reduces you to his level.

ZenGum 12-14-2008 07:33 PM

Was it a shoe of mass destruction?

(I'm serious. My shoes could qualify as both chemical and biological weapons!)


Maybe the guy should have just poked out his tongue...

classicman 12-14-2008 07:44 PM

Good thing he threw it at Bush. Had it been any other leader in that area the guy would have been beheaded and then disposed of in a mass grave with a bunch of other murdered people.
Ahh, the beginning of a new era.

piercehawkeye45 12-14-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 513656)
So if someone throws a pie or a pipe bomb at Obama you guys would be ok with that? Now that would be funny.

How about a noose? would that be funny? Disrespect is disrespect, no matter where it happens.

I would laugh at a pie. I would think the person who did it was an idiot, but it would be entertaining. Pipe bombs and noose's are on a different level though. Throwing of shoes might be the "ultimate" form of disrespect in Arabic culture but it isn't a, or hint of an assassination attempt.

Aliantha 12-14-2008 11:36 PM

Yeah...i've got to agree with pierce. I don't think bombs etc are on the same level as shoes. ;)

Aliantha 12-14-2008 11:37 PM

You know, I've been thinking that if you're the sort of person that gets offended a lot in Iraq, you'd spend a fair bit on shoes.

Or do you get your shoes returned after you've thrown them? If so, it doesn't really seem right. A bit like being an indian giver. You know...giving something then expecting it back later...

Aliantha 12-14-2008 11:42 PM

Or do they have special discount 'throwing shoe' shops in those cultures? Now that'd be a good business to be in!

ZenGum 12-14-2008 11:46 PM

I still don't like GWB, but he's got a good duck-reflex.

Makes me wonder about the security though. Presumably those present had passed through metal detectors etc, but when the attack came, security took longer to react than I would have expected. (Hee hee, not that an Australian is in a position to offer criticism of presidential security.)

tw 12-15-2008 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 513740)
I still don't like GWB, but he's got a good duck-reflex.

He played baseball in college. He was again demonstrating his fielding abilities.

Sundae 12-15-2008 08:20 AM

Our politicians have things thrown at them occasionally - pies, eggs etc. I find that funny too. I would if it were thrown at Obama too (although I'd question how he managed to insult the thrower ).

I guess I'm just childish like that.

Shawnee123 12-15-2008 08:27 AM

Who throws a shoe?


HungLikeJesus 12-15-2008 08:51 AM

If you listen carefully, you can hear the shoe-thrower yelling "Don't tase me bro!" in Arabic.

Pie 12-15-2008 09:55 AM

:lol:

Trilby 12-15-2008 10:29 AM

coulda been worse. he coulda flung poo.

barefoot serpent 12-15-2008 11:49 AM

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Washington Post reporters prepare for next Bush news conference.

(Bush'll have to start meeting the press in mosques from now on...)

TheMercenary 12-15-2008 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 513736)
You know, I've been thinking that if you're the sort of person that gets offended a lot in Iraq, you'd spend a fair bit on shoes.

Or do you get your shoes returned after you've thrown them? If so, it doesn't really seem right. A bit like being an indian giver. You know...giving something then expecting it back later...

:lol2:

tw 12-16-2008 04:01 PM

Worldwide is a new display in support of that shoe thrower. Notice the many cars with shoes now hanging from the mirror? Due to the run on shoes, stores are no longer offering Christmas discounts on shoes and gift certificates. In honor of the new George Jr economy, people all over the world are now going shoeless. Even the Pope is talking about having your soul reevaluated.

Aliantha 12-16-2008 04:09 PM

I don't think that's exactly support for the shoe thrower. lol More like a lot of western people seeing the funny side of it and sharing the mirth.

Trilby 12-16-2008 04:21 PM

What's tw gonna do come January?

ZenGum 12-16-2008 07:04 PM

Dude, TW just made a pun! I see a new career as a comedian!

The shoe: George's best dodge since Vietnam. [from Letterman]

Aliantha 12-16-2008 08:37 PM

tw does crack the odd funny now and then.

TheMercenary 12-16-2008 08:53 PM

Al-Zeidi may have also been motivated by what a colleague described as a boastful, showoff personality.

"He tried to raise topics to show that nobody is as smart as he is," said Zanko Ahmed, a Kurdish journalist who attended a journalism training course with al-Zeidi in Lebanon.

Ahmed recalled that al-Zeidi spoke glowingly of anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose followers organized protests Monday to demand his release.

"Regrettably, he didn't learn anything from the course in Lebanon, where we were taught ethics of journalism and how to be detached and neutral," Ahmed said.

http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/...oth_U_S___Iran

TheMercenary 12-16-2008 08:55 PM

http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/ira...osser-guy.html

ZenGum 12-17-2008 01:21 AM

http://www.sockandawe.com/

tw 12-17-2008 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 514286)
What's tw gonna do come January?

Put some shoes on. It's too cold in January to protest.

Undertoad 12-17-2008 04:16 PM

Code Pink members attended a meeting held by Iraqi Ambassador to the US, Samir Sumaida’ie, and interrupted to demonstrate for the freedom of shoe-thrower al-Zaidi. The Ambassador proceed to pwn them.



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Now the ladies here, clapping, I -- let me -- allow me please to address. Thank you for attending this meeting. I see you are carrying a plaque defending Mr. al-Zaidi, who attempted to assault President Bush in Baghdad. Let me take this opportunity to make a couple of remarks, here.

It's very clear, in our culture, throwing somebody's shoes at someone is an insult, is a big insult. Two comments. One: Mr. al-Zaidi is a very, very lucky man. It was Mr. Bush and Mr. Malaki and not Mr. Saddam Hussein. Because had it been Mr Saddam Hussein, you would be carrying a different plaque right now. That's number one.

Number two, in our culture, I know people have told you that throwing shoes at someone is a big insult. But it's a bigger insult to the host, not the guest. In our culture, anybody who insults a guest, is insulting the host. To a double degree.

So even if it had been a local, tribal leader, he would not have stomached that behavior. So, in our culture, we believe that what Mr. al-Zaidi did was reprehensible.

Code Pink member shouts: What about what Mr. Bush did?

I -- let me just finish my remark. It was reprehensible. It was -- not representative of the way we behave as Iraqis. It diminished us as a nation. We are better than that. We have issues, whether it is with Mr. Bush or with other people, but we believe that we should always behave in a dignified manner and in the correct manner. And if we have differences, we express them in the right way. But as I said, and as Mr. Bush said himself, these are the fruits of freedom; everybody gets the fruits of the freedom, even those who don't know how to handle them or how to make use of them. So that's all I'm going to say on that. (applause)

Trilby 12-17-2008 05:18 PM

HA! little assholes!

Happy Monkey 12-17-2008 05:42 PM

I'm not sure there's really a guest-host relationship there.

classicman 12-17-2008 07:16 PM

I think its great that he stood up and did what he felt was the right thing. He defended his "guest" in his "house."

tw 12-18-2008 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 514669)
I'm not sure there's really a guest-host relationship there.

It all really misses the point. George Jr never needed shoes. He needed the boot.

xoxoxoBruce 12-18-2008 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 513632)
"The greatest regret of my presidency was the lack of intelligence"

Fixed if for you Mr Bush.

You misunderstand the man. He's not stupid, he's an arrogant bastard that will never admit making a mistake. He's surrounded himself with people who make sure he's only seeing their agenda and will never have a clue.

classicman 12-18-2008 12:30 PM

Iraq Parliament clashes over fate of man who threw shoes at Bush

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BAGHDAD: A session of the Iraqi Parliament erupted in an uproar on Wednesday as lawmakers clashed over how to respond to the continuing detention of an Iraqi television reporter who threw his shoes at President George W. Bush during a Baghdad news conference earlier this week, people attending the parliamentary meeting said.

As Parliament began to discuss legislation on the withdrawal from Iraq of armed forces from nations other than the United States, a group of lawmakers demanded that the legislature instead take up the issue of the detained journalist, Muntader al-Zaidi, 29. After his shoes narrowly missed Bush's head at the news conference on Sunday, Zaidi was subdued by a fellow journalist and then beaten by members of the prime minister's security detail.

The legislative session became so tumultuous that it prompted the speaker of Parliament, Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, to announce his resignation, according to The Associated Press. A spokesman for Mashhadani, Jabar al-Mashhadani, refused to confirm whether the speaker had tendered his resignation, although he would not deny it. Some in Parliament say the government should release Zaidi immediately, while others say the judiciary should decide his fate.

How badly injured Zaidi was by members of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki's security detail is not clear. He has not appeared in public since his arrest, and his family members and his legal representatives say they have not been permitted to visit him. On Wednesday, Zaidi was scheduled to appear before a judge, but it was unclear whether that happened.
I wonder what should happen to him. Should he be given a medal or stoned to death?

Happy Monkey 12-18-2008 12:36 PM

Neither. He should be charged with attempted assault or disturbing the peace or whatever it is when you do something that is momentarily frightening, but ultimately harmless.

piercehawkeye45 12-18-2008 01:33 PM

Stoned to death?

This guy threw a shoe, not a bomb. Unless the Iraqi government wants to insult Bush as well, he should get a reasonable non physical harming punishment. Although I assume he will get a harsh symbolic punishment to prevent anything like that in the future but if he does get out, he will probably be treated as a hero.

Cicero 12-18-2008 02:18 PM

Heh. That shoe was a million times too small, is all. Size does matter folks. ;)

tw 12-18-2008 03:13 PM

Once a speaker's face was threatened by lemon pies. Today we use empty shoes. Violence eventually escalates. However, the pies were thrown by paid professionals.

Aliantha 12-18-2008 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 514879)
Once a speaker's face was threatened by lemon pies. Today we use empty shoes. Violence eventually escalates. However, the pies were thrown by paid professionals.


Clowns?

tw 12-19-2008 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha (Post 514886)
Clowns?

No. Those were his advisers - his royal court - who knew that Saddam had WMDs because he must.

Why does the shoe get more attention that 'shock and awe'? Maybe because it was aimed at a real threat.

Aliantha 12-19-2008 04:15 PM

No, because in the western world we don't see people throwing shoes about at news conferences, so it was funny.

Humour is entertaining. Another conference with Bush talking about Iraq is not.

glatt 12-19-2008 04:18 PM

Bush actually looked like he was amused by it during the actual tossing. I think he thought it was fun. A welcome diversion from a typical boring news conference.

tw 12-20-2008 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 515264)
Bush actually looked like he was amused by it ...

... just like the good old days drunk in a bar.

TheMercenary 12-23-2008 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 515394)
... just like the good old days drunk in a bar.

I didn't know you were a drunk that hung out in bars? gay bars? :lol2:

TheMercenary 12-23-2008 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 515264)
Bush actually looked like he was amused by it during the actual tossing. I think he thought it was fun. A welcome diversion from a typical boring news conference.

I agree. I think he was like damm this dude is a really bad shot. He didn't even have a chance to actually deflect one. He must have been thinking, " Dude your aim sucks and I can't understand a single word you are screaming, so you fail." :D

tw 12-24-2008 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 516268)
I didn't know you were a drunk that hung out in bars? gay bars?

Prettiest waitresses in town. Zelda's - a gay bar in Boston.

skysidhe 12-24-2008 10:18 AM

12 things to throw at Bush.....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...otes121708.DTL


A satirist I like. It began with this article:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...otes110508.DTL

classicman 12-24-2008 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tw (Post 516347)
Prettiest waitresses in town. Zelda's - a gay bar in Boston.

Only you and Sheldon would know....

Hmm maybe Sheldon is tw's alter ego.

hmm

skysidhe 12-24-2008 11:28 AM

*shuts mouth gaping open*

Urbane Guerrilla 01-02-2009 01:10 AM

Some bars just aren't gay at all. Now the average coffeehouse -- chain or independent -- there is cheer. It's the difference between alcohol and caffeine.

glatt 09-11-2009 07:53 AM

Shoe thrower is about to be released to a hero's welcome. He's being showered with gifts, including a brand new house and brides.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...-thrower_N.htm

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BAGHDAD — The Iraqi TV journalist who threw his shoes at then-president George W. Bush will be showered with gifts including a four-bedroom house — and at least one potential bride — upon his imminent release from jail.

Muntadhar al-Zeidi, 30, is scheduled to be freed Monday after spending nine months in prison for assault, according to Dhiya al-Saadi, his lawyer.

Al-Zeidi hurled both shoes at Bush during a Baghdad news conference last December to protest the U.S. presence in Iraq. Bush ducked twice and was unhurt; the incident was replayed numerous times on TV.

Sheikh Ahmed Jowda, a tribal leader in the West Bank, said he plans to send a young woman from his family "loaded with jewels and gold" to Iraq as a candidate for marriage.

"There are many Palestinian girls who want to marry Muntadhar," Jowda, 75, said by telephone from Nablus. "He chooses the one he likes."

"All Arab people ... hope to get the chance of doing what (al-Zeidi) did," he added.

The journalist's brother, Maitham Mehdi Jbarah al-Zeidi, said he has fielded phone calls "every single day" offering cash and support. "What (he) did was heroic and deserves all this appreciation from people who hate occupation," al-Zeidi said.

The owner of the Cairo-based al-Baghdadiya TV network has continued to pay Muntadhar al-Zeidi's salary and also bought him a fully furnished two-story villa in a posh section of Baghdad, according to station manager Abdul Hameed al-Sayeh.

classicman 09-11-2009 08:22 AM

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"All Arab people ... hope to get the chance of doing what (al-Zeidi) did," he added.

The journalist's brother, Maitham Mehdi Jbarah al-Zeidi, said he has fielded phone calls "every single day" offering cash and support. "What (he) did was heroic and deserves all this appreciation from people who hate occupation," al-Zeidi said.
Fuck them all - every one. . . Let them eat sand.

Redux 09-11-2009 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 594092)
Fuck them all - every one. . . Let them eat sand.

So because a few Iraqis reportedly are offering "rewards' to the guy, you want to condemn them all?

I wonder if you would feel the same if your country was invaded and occupied by a foreign power, who on more than one occasion, abused your fellow citizens in gross and illegal manners or imposed what many Iraqis perceive as a puppet government to the US.

Fuck them all...every one...let them eat sand! An over-reaction?

In some respects, isnt it like the talkng heads (Limbaugh/Beck et al) and bloggers applauding Congressman Joe Wilson for shouting out that Obama was a liar...and calling him a hero and encouraging people to "reward" him by donating to his re-election campaign.

xoxoxoBruce 09-11-2009 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Redux (Post 594101)
Fuck them all...every one...let them eat sand! An over-reaction?

Maybe that's an over-reaction. I read it as aimed at those who were offering rewards. :confused:
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In some respects, isnt it like the talkng heads (Limbaugh/Beck et al) and bloggers applauding Congressman Joe Wilson for shouting out that Obama was a liar...and calling him a hero and encouraging people to "reward" him by donating to his re-election campaign.
Fuck them all, let 'em eat lawn clippings. :haha:


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