Global Cooling
 

Well, it's not really cooling is it?

When you read the article it's only .14 degrees celcius cooler and certainly no indication of a trend towards lower temps.

Nice try though. ;)

Thank the Gods! The Global Warming hoax is finally put to rest by a single year of data. Who'd have thought?

Not only that, but it rained yesterday, and we got almost 3 mm. The drought has broken! :p

Floods are coming! No, wait, drought is impending!

Whatever makes me more grant money...

Its a start - thats for sure - then again....

Blame it on Bush

....or the Boogie...

I do, entirely. Well until the 20th of Jan anyway.

I wish Bush's damage would stop at January 20th, but I afraid it will linger for a very long time.:(

Finally. The sky is falling. Deep down, we all knew it had to happen.

I feel an ice age coming on.

Catch up, they're already up to Ice Age 3. :haha:

Ok, Ice Age 4 than. :D

Those movies are so funny. Probably my favourite animated films besides The Lion King series.

If by damage you mean the democratization and the necessary liberalization of Middle Eastern nations, roll on damage, far and fast and forever! One of these days, Bruce, you're going to wake up and realize you would not live, nor even likely survive, the kind of social order our foes within Islam want to promulgate, and have said so.

Trouble is, while good liberals want these people defeated for their undemocratic ways, their fascist ideals, their insistence that virtue in societies ended about 700 AD, and their abuse of all womankind along with a general absence of civil rights, all owing to a determined effort to graft Throne to Altar and Altar to Throne -- the liberals in the Cellar mostly aren't any good at all. If they were good, classical liberals, they'd sound much more like me than they do, and they'd quit bitching at me for showing them good -- and how different good is from what they're doing right now. Our foes are undemocratic shits and rabid dogs, and therefore must die and become extinct. The people disputing this point with me are fascist sympathizers without faith in the goodness of democracy because their education has been completely inadequate, and their thought crippled or else made totalitarian, not liberal at all. In any case, our foes, if given the chance, would capture and behead the whole bunch. They've explicitly said as much.

Bush won't get much credit immediately, but there are those serious thinkers noting that he may end up being the Truman for the GWOT: he fought the early part of the fight, and set up the conditions and set the movements in motion to produce the eventual win of the civilized over the undemocratic. No thanks whatsoever to the people here who object to our actually fighting the war. None -- thanks for bupkis, you dopes.

The next one, the Scrat gets a girlfriend. Couldn't happen to a more deserving rodent.

Fuck the Middle East, the damage he's done right here at home is a hanging offense.

Funny how people SAY he's busting the Bill of Rights, but can't SHOW any actual instance of American citizens' rights being trammeled over the last two Presidential terms. They can't name an American citizen languishing in jail on GWB's say-so. With homework, they could probably name some POWs we've got caged. Fifty of the POWs released since their capture on the field of battle, incidentally, are back at shooting at American, that is humanity's, forces again. Poor bargain, eh?

So no, I do not subscribe to this left-wing shibboleth. If you've a lick of sense, do the same.

No hanging is called for, not by the knowledgeable. Only by the left-herdthink dildoes.

You know what a dildo is, right? It's a dick. A fake dick. A fake plastic dick with no balls. Leftists are why I'm not a leftist. I'm just not convinced they can achieve a coherent thought that is also grounded in the real.

Strike two. Try the economy, debt, and environment. :rolleyes:

[temporary]Ali, you have to see the Broadway version of Lion King. I saw a touring show in Columbus. It was absolutely one of the most stunning things I've ever seen. And I've seen a few things. That is all.[/hijack]

:)

I'll be so glad when our nation is utterly bankrupt, our young people are dead or maimed, and those pesky Middle Easterners are finally put in their place once and for all. Soon, they shall see the error of their ways. Look at all the other successes we've had forcing Democracy and stability on all those other radical nations out there.

Yup, gonna be great.

back on topic: solar minimum 2008

some claim it's a bit more minimum this time 'round and thus a bit cooler, too.

Who are some and where did it say that? Is there another article?

solar extra minimum article

some more stuff here

Snowing in Vegas...

We're 'sposed to catch a big one tomorrow!

Another wintry mix for us... yay... :headshake

82 in Savannah yesterday. Pretty damm hot for Dec in Georgia. It's Al Gores fault for inventing the internet and global warming.

Yeah, same here Merc. We had a cold front come through a few days ago and it actually froze overnight once--but this morning it's already 75 (and muggy as hell.)

Are catching big one now. It took an hour to get home from work.

At least everyone in the North East is getting it. But for some of us, it's just a nasty cold rain.

same here :(

Crappy freezing rain last night...but this a.m. wasn't too bad. It's supposed to get up near 50 before it drops to twenty-something tonight.

Summer, get here if you can.

Winter starts in two days.

Crud.

Don't make me cross with you. ;)

We've got about 8" on the ground right now. Pete had the XC skis out for a bit. I need to swap some bindings before I can play.

cite?

LOL! It seems many can't tell the difference between the weather and the climate and are too dim to realize colder winters is a sign of global warming.

Hey douchebag, each and every single American who had a conversation listened to by government, and their rights violated. Each and every single American who was stopped at an airport or told they couldn't fly because they were on a list, had their rights violated.

You want to know the names of Americans who were locked up without charges? Try Jose Padilla numbnuts. He's an American citizen who languished in jail for years without access to a lawyer, without being charged with a crime, while being tortured, etc.

Also, it doesn't matter if they are American citizens or not. All people are entitled to the same level of due process regardless of where they are from.

You are certainly no dildo. You are a real, genuine, dick.

Environment?? Hohohoho -- for all the yelling about it from anti-Republicans (so consider the source, always) you just don't see actual environmental degradation. The numbers aren't there, you know. Or you should. You do see some effort at reducing the cost of doing business, which is something that always has to be done. Particularly as a check and balance to the urge to micromanage and regulate and overregulate.

Debt?? Hahahahaha -- look at Bill Clinton. There is considerable doubt among the knowledgeable that the national debt improved, or that there was any actual surplus. Nongovernmental debt is of course not subject to government control, save of the crudest sort of intervention, which even with the Democrats rampant doesn't look to happen either.

Economy?? Heheheheheh. The kind of mentality that says "George Did It" is the same mentality that credits Bill Clinton with the boom years of the 1990s. Consider, again, the source -- is not the source the same antiRepublican dickheads I've already dismissed as unworthy of attention and unlikely to get it right? I am persuaded that there's very little a President can actually do that influences an economy, positively or negatively. The market, it appears, works to laws entirely independent of anybody's politics. So no, I'm too well advised to have that kind of mentality.

Three strikes to you, Bruce. Quit believing leftist shibboleths and your intellect will shine. Leftism is a bad religion. I don't whore after so false a god.

Still clueless after all these years. :rolleyes: Stick to something within your grasp, like bagpipes and knives.

Hmm, what a prize example of Radar's capacity for good manners, maturity, and compassion, eh? Always the low road with dear old Paul. Son, you're about as capable of compassion as you are of respect, and you're growing daily shorter on manners.

When you see a man who can better identify real tyrants and totalitarians than you can, you inform him he's a dick. Sooo mature of you -- and such brilliant advocacy of libertarian, democratic social orders. Well, Radar, your writings reveal a very evil, totalitarian-loving, domineering schmuck whose ideas should not even be accepted by himself, for their moral vacuity and misplaced concerns. When someone shows vertebracy and independence and good judgement enough to disagree with your ideas, you immediately and invariably get pissy. Not exactly persuasive of a first-rate mind at work, Paul.

The prisoners have POW rights. There's damned little call for anything else, and the present efforts at the anything else are ill advised. Not being American citizens nor, quite bluntly, charged with crimes under American law or committed within American jurisdiction, this leftist-originated legal theory seems to me full of holes. It originates, remember, from the people who don't want us to win this. People who would hand an undeserved victory to our opposition, some of the nastiest and most illiberal bastards this planet can produce, as anyone reading either the bastards or the anti-Republicans can see. So, keep them caged until the war's over. You may have noticed that, with zero antitotalitarian effort from you, that we're turning it around over there. Counterinsurgencies are always slow things, as they require demographic changes -- a people must cease to allow guerrillas to swim among them as fish in a sea.

Still dodging enlightenment, eh Bruce? You know, the only way you can continue to wallow in your present darkness is by pretending I'm either crazy or that I know nothing. It won't work, for I always think despite any pretenses on your part, and the day of enlightenment draws closer.

Can you really even call this a rebuttal? Manifestly you think it is... and once again I'm reminded of why I can't be a leftist. They don't think well enough.

:lol2:
:Flush:

5-Day Forecast for Savannah, Georgia
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday

High l Low
54° F | 47° F
72° F | 59° F
74° F | 54° F
70° F | 52° F
76° F | 54° F

You all can keep your cold weather and snow. Must be fun sleeping in the airport. Thanks. :lol2:

2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved
Very interesting read. Finally someone willing to put it on paper.
However, I must say that the 60 f temp here today broke a record and it has been rather warm. Then again 2008 was a very "cool" summer here as well.

I dissected that article and didn't find it convincing. The current cooling is 1-2 years of temps cooler than the average of the last 20 years. If you believe in Hansen's modeling of measured temps that makes 2008 the something like 14th-warmest in the last 100 years.

He says it disproves IPCC predictions, but I can't find any such predictions that just cover one year.

All we have is another interesting data point. We now wait for more data points.

I agree with Undertoad, this is just another data point.

The reason why climate is predicted by the mathematical model "Chaos Theory" is because it is determined by a very large number of sensitive variables. Any number of events could have triggered the extreme cold of the recent years.

The article also seemed to base it opinions on extreme temperatures, which is quite possibly the worse possible method for temperatures. Look at record high and lows for this month. The years do not make any sense and you can never make a prediction from those. That is why global averages over a period of decades (preferably centuries or longer) are used. We can find trends in those.

Hell, I bet you can find an extremely hot year in the "Little Ice Age". That doesn't mean that the event ended that year. It just means that there was a very hot year. This could quite easily be the same so the article title is completely ridiculous. But, that also means that he could potentially be right....

Though, if you look at Christopher Booker's history of journalism, you can easily find that it is squeaky clean...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christo...oker#Criticism

The stock market is up today.

The recession is obviously over.

EU's new figurehead believes climate change is a myth

Are you serious Classicman? Do you even read what you post or least do some research behind it? What are you trying to get out of this?

The same goes for the thing you posted in the Gaza/Israel thread? I still can't tell if that was satire or not.

The obvious point is that not everyone buys the notion that things are what they seem when it comes to global warming. Including important people in large important organizations.

Yeah, just like Al Gore was an important part to an important organization?

Vaclav Klaus is a crackpot. He is no different from Al Gore except he doesn't believe in global warming instead of believing in it. If anyone posted Al Gore as a legitimate argument for global warming, you and others would laugh them out of the Cellar and then you consider Vaclav Klaus an important figure for something you believe in.

Hell....this guy even tracked down Al Gore so he could debate him in global warming. That must have been a sight.....


What are his arguments? I could find politicians that don't believe in evolution as well. Until this guy can beat environmental scientists in a debate, he has really no authority in the matter.

None of that changes the fact that the issue remains controversial and there are many "experts" that disagree. The difference between you and me and people like Klaus and Gore are that they have access to the political stage and therefore a voice to the masses, regardless of your views as to their capacity to present a rational view you agree with.

Do you want me to quote him on global warming?

How is that a rational argument? I know everyone on this forum that has said "[insert issue] is [insert stance] and every intelligent person thinks so" is not respected as rational.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction_event

http://newsbusters.org/node/10773
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1899


These are not rational arguments. I've read his argument and it doesn't give one real argument on how global warming is false.

I never said it was rational, only that he has the ability to speak to large groups of people who want to agree with him. And they will.

Michael Gillard and Mark Olden
A PIONEERING climate change project in Africa run by Robin Birley, the socialite, has been accused by the European commission, its main donor, of making unsubstantiated claims about its environmental impact.

The project has received more than £1m in public grants and money from celebrities in the music and film business. They include Ronnie Wood of the Rolling Stones and Brad Pitt, the actor.

The project attempts to offset an individual’s carbon footprint by paying poor farmers in Mozambique to plant trees, which absorb CO2, and to protect existing forests.

The commission’s criticism comes amid increased concern about the worth of these fashionable but largely unregulated carbon offset schemes. Critics say it is almost impossible to guarantee that the trees will survive the length of time needed to offset any significant carbon emissions.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5439366.ece

That's OK, as long as there aren't any international or in our case even national plan to do something, I don't see a problem with private projects unless someone can show they are actually doing harm.

Of course I wouldn't want to see Brad & Ronnie bilked. :rotflol:

That's not the point. The point is he is in a high profile position and therefore able to expose a shitload of people to his opinion, right or wrong.

Yes, yes & yes. Nothing at all, just some discussion. I think Bruce understood the point completely as he laid out in the previous post.

Deal with that issue in that thread.