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classicman 11-11-2008 08:38 AM

Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship.

"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may — may not, I hope not — but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."

Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military.

"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."

Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado about building a new civil service corps. Among other things, he called for expanding the nation's foreign service and doubling the size of the Peace Corps "to renew our diplomacy."

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Broun said he also believes Obama likely will move to ban gun ownership if he does build a national police force.

Obama has said he respects the Second Amendment right to bear arms and favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault weapons and concealed weapons. As an Illinois state lawmaker, Obama supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on firearms generally.

"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential."

Obama's transition office did not respond immediately to Broun's remarks.
OMFG - Already??? C'mon people!

Undertoad 11-11-2008 01:30 PM

Without classicman's permission, I've created this new thread, and using my double-secret moderation powers, I've copied his post from Partisan Stupidity into this thread, Obama Derangement Syndrome.

Undertoad 11-11-2008 01:39 PM

OK now having said that. This thread is for examples of otherwise ordinary people finding reason to believe that there is a secret plan by which Obama is going to destroy the USA.

There were many similar cases of Bush Derangement Syndrome and, before that, Clinton Derangement Syndrome. CDS went so far as to carry rumors that Clinton ran a cocaine operation, and that he had many people killed.

Griff 11-11-2008 02:29 PM

ODS - odious, nicely played sir.

Flint 11-11-2008 02:44 PM

Clinton was the Anti-Christ; Bush was Hitler; I think Obama's leaning towards more of a Stalin type.

lumberjim 11-11-2008 03:03 PM


Pie 11-11-2008 03:05 PM

Could it be.... Satan?

tw 11-11-2008 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 503191)
Clinton was the Anti-Christ; Bush was Hitler; I think Obama's leaning towards more of a Stalin type.

... and UT just displayed his powers to create the Fourth Reich. We have nothing to fear but those we fear.

classicman 11-11-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 503184)
Clinton Derangement Syndrome. CDS went so far as to carry rumors that Clinton ran a cocaine operation, and had many people killed.

You mean she didn't?

Big Sarge 11-11-2008 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 503184)
........ there is a secret plan by which Obama is going to destroy the USA.

UT says President Elect Obama is going to destroy us!!! The sky is falling. The sky is falling. I've got to buy more aluminum foil.

Aliantha 11-11-2008 04:18 PM

I think you'll be ok chicken little. ;)

Ibby 11-11-2008 05:49 PM

my own grandmother - otherwise a wholly reasonable and lovely lady - think that obama is a secret muslim manchurian candidate who hates america and conspires with wright and ayers to kill americans... not to mention that he's the antichrist.

Cicero 11-11-2008 05:50 PM

O.D.S. for short! Love it! ;) Oh, someone already said that..mm'kay...ooops.

Sundae 11-11-2008 08:01 PM

LJ, try a London accent with that face - you so look like Michael Caine :)

ZenGum 11-12-2008 03:32 AM

I'd be :rofl: except for the fact that this guy is in a position of power.

footfootfoot 11-12-2008 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 503361)
I'd be :rofl: except for the fact that this guy is in a position of power.

Michael Caine is a great actor, the caliber of Gene Hackman but that doesn't put him in a position of power, in my opinion anyway.

Shawnee123 11-12-2008 10:42 AM

I'm so confused. What was LJ saying, and does he look like Michael Caine? Is Michael Caine in charge of something? Why does the sound come out of my computer tower and not the speakers that are hooked up? How much wood could a woodchuck chuck?

Clodfobble 11-12-2008 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123
Why does the sound come out of my computer tower and not the speakers that are hooked up?

Probably because the speakers are actually plugged into the microphone jack, not the speaker jack. Unless the speakers normally play sound, in which case something's just jacked up. :)

ZenGum 11-12-2008 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot (Post 503439)
Michael Caine is a great actor, the caliber of Gene Hackman but that doesn't put him in a position of power, in my opinion anyway.

... err, I was referring to republican congressman Paul Broun ... the guy who said the crazy shit... you with me now?

Shawnee123 11-13-2008 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 503473)
Probably because the speakers are actually plugged into the microphone jack, not the speaker jack. Unless the speakers normally play sound, in which case something's just jacked up. :)

Well, I found the right hole. The sound is garbled so I think I have funky speakers, but the sound isn't coming from the tower anymore.

Thanks Clodfobble! :notworthy:

I'm dumb!!

Pie 11-13-2008 07:49 AM

Nah, Clod's just that smart!

DanaC 11-13-2008 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 503771)
Well, I found the right hole.


*sniggers*

Happy Monkey 11-13-2008 04:27 PM

One stop shopping.

TheMercenary 11-14-2008 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 503361)
I'd be :rofl: except for the fact that this guy is in a position of power.

May it be that he reflects some of the fears of the common man?

elSicomoro 11-14-2008 10:30 AM

I need to go out and stock up on guns and ammo...only because a lot of conservatives are stocking up on them and I don't trust those fuckers with guns anymore. :D

DanaC 11-14-2008 08:28 PM

I heard that people are stockpiling and panic buying to a greater degree than during the Y2K runup....

Cicero 11-14-2008 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 504227)
I need to go out and stock up on guns and ammo...only because a lot of conservatives are stocking up on them and I don't trust those fuckers with guns anymore. :D

LOL!!

TheMercenary 11-15-2008 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 504227)
I need to go out and stock up on guns and ammo...only because a lot of conservatives are stocking up on them and I don't trust those fuckers with guns anymore. :D

Yea, we bought a few more. Need to get more ammo now. :D

richlevy 11-16-2008 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 504475)
I heard that people are stockpiling and panic buying to a greater degree than during the Y2K runup....

It might be that there's a rumor going around that Acorn is giving out free guns.:headshake There wasn't, but all I need is an account on Conservapedia to get things started.

If guns are the solution, then the logical extension is that all individuals in high crime areas should be armed. Of course, this would involve a lot of minority gun owners.

Maybe the NAACP and the NRA can start a program to legally arm as many people in Camden as possible.

TheMercenary 11-16-2008 09:21 AM

If most law abiding citizens owned one crime would drop. It did in Florida.

TheMercenary 11-16-2008 10:11 AM

Barack Obama and The Ugly American

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debat...ugly-american/

Urbane Guerrilla 11-18-2008 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by richlevy (Post 504792)
Maybe the NAACP and the NRA can start a program to legally arm as many people in Camden as possible.

Probably a good idea.

Beats the shit out of the avowed bad guys having ninety percent of the neighborhood firepower.

:cool:

classicman 12-28-2008 08:37 PM

Rep. Frank: Obama 'Overestimates' Ability to Unify

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Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) thinks that President-elect Obama picked same-sex marriage opponent Rick Warren to give the inauguration invocation because Obama "overestimates" his ability to unify people.

"Oh, I believe that he overestimates his ability to get people to put aside fundamental differences," said Frank, the first House member to come out of the closet voluntarily.

Frank, on MSNBC on Monday, said that he's delighted Obama was elected and that the country is headed into the "best time" for public policy since the New Deal.

"But my one question is, I think he overestimates his ability to take people, particularly our colleagues on the right, and, sort of, charm them into being nice," Frank said. "I know he talks about being post-partisan. But I've worked, frankly, with Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay, the current Republican leadership. The current Republican leadership in the House repudiated George Bush. I don't know why Mr. Obama thinks he's going to have them better than George Bush.

"And so, to be honest, when he talks about being post-partisan, having seen these people and knowing what they would do in that situation, I suffer from post-partisan depression," Frank said jokingly.

xoxoxoBruce 12-28-2008 08:44 PM

Because the majority of voters have said with their vote that's what they want. Now it's up to those voters to clean up the Congress as well.

classicman 12-28-2008 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 517156)
Now it's up to those voters to clean up the Congress as well.

Wishful thinking, I'm afraid.

piercehawkeye45 12-28-2008 11:24 PM

I like Briannas idea in the "Bailing Out" thread.

Line every member of congress and house up single file, get out the guillotine, and look at their history.

xoxoxoBruce 12-28-2008 11:36 PM

The fly in that ointment is who's the judge/jury? You? Me? The people of their home district that keeps reelecting them? :confused:

piercehawkeye45 12-28-2008 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 517217)
The fly in that ointment is who's the judge/jury? You? Me? The people of their home district that keeps reelecting them? :confused:

Its a very dark joke. But you make your point.

Trilby 12-29-2008 08:25 AM

I just watched a History channel show on the French Revolution. Yes, they went a bit overboard with the head chopping but it's still a fundamentally sound idea.

/smirk/

Trilby 12-29-2008 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 517217)
The fly in that ointment is who's the judge/jury? You? Me? The people of their home district that keeps reelecting them? :confused:

the Judge and Jury would be Common Sense. We need Benjamin Franklin.

Griff 12-29-2008 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 517242)
I just watched a History channel show on the French Revolution. Yes, they went a bit overboard with the head chopping but it's still a fundamentally sound idea.

/smirk/

True nuf. The cool part is how the choppers get chopped as well. Anyone who was that committed to their politics was fair game. I'm good with that.

xoxoxoBruce 12-29-2008 12:18 PM

Common sense? Where ya gonna find that in Washington? You'd have to bus them all to Ohio or someplace. :haha:

TheMercenary 12-29-2008 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 517244)
the Judge and Jury would be Common Sense. We need Benjamin Franklin.

Yea, we call that Military Tribunals.

xoxoxoBruce 12-29-2008 03:28 PM

:lol2:

Trilby 12-29-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 517354)
Yea, we call that Military Tribunals.

You'd be one of the top ten on the chopping block, merc!

TheMercenary 12-29-2008 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 517368)
You'd be one of the top ten on the chopping block, merc!

Sure. Right after you.

Trilby 12-29-2008 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 517374)
Sure. Right after you.

I'm afraid I'm revolution-proof. I'll tell your mates you didn't shit your pants, though.

TheMercenary 12-29-2008 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 517375)
I'm afraid I'm revolution-proof. I'll tell your mates you didn't shit your pants, though.

You would never make it out of the Olympic Training Center. They would still be having their way with you.

xoxoxoBruce 12-29-2008 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 517376)
They would still be having their way with you.

Or vice versa. :haha:

classicman 12-29-2008 08:26 PM

Ha Ha HAAAAAHHHH!! ! ! !!

classicman 03-06-2009 10:45 AM

Deception at Core of Obama Plans

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Charles Krauthammer

WASHINGTON -- Forget the pork. Forget the waste. Forget the 8,570 earmarks in a bill supported by a president who poses as the scourge of earmarks. Forget the "$2 trillion dollars in savings" that "we have already identified," $1.6 trillion of which President Obama's budget director later admits is the "savings" of not continuing the surge in Iraq until 2019 -- 11 years after George Bush ended it, and eight years after even Bush would have had us out of Iraq completely.

Forget all of this. This is run-of-the-mill budget trickery. True, Obama's tricks come festooned with strings of zeros tacked onto the end. But that's a matter of scale, not principle.

All presidents do that. But few undertake the kind of brazen deception at the heart of Obama's radically transformative economic plan, a rhetorical sleight of hand so smoothly offered that few noticed.

The logic of Obama's address to Congress went like this:

"Our economy did not fall into decline overnight," he averred. Indeed, it all began before the housing crisis. What did we do wrong? We are paying for past sins in three principal areas: energy, health care, and education -- importing too much oil and not finding new sources of energy (as in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and the Outer Continental Shelf?), not reforming health care, and tolerating too many bad schools.

The "day of reckoning" has now arrived. And because "it is only by understanding how we arrived at this moment that we'll be able to lift ourselves out of this predicament," Obama has come to redeem us with his far-seeing program of universal, heavily nationalized health care; a cap-and-trade tax on energy; and a major federalization of education with universal access to college as the goal.

Amazing. As an explanation of our current economic difficulties, this is total fantasy. As a cure for rapidly growing joblessness, a massive destruction of wealth, a deepening worldwide recession, this is perhaps the greatest non sequitur ever foisted upon the American people.

At the very center of our economic near-depression is a credit bubble, a housing collapse and a systemic failure of the entire banking system. One can come up with a host of causes: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pushed by Washington (and greed) into improvident loans, corrupted bond-ratings agencies, insufficient regulation of new and exotic debt instruments, the easy money policy of Alan Greenspan's Fed, irresponsible bankers pushing (and then unloading in packaged loan instruments) highly dubious mortgages, greedy house-flippers, deceitful homebuyers.

The list is long. But the list of causes of the collapse of the financial system does not include the absence of universal health care, let alone of computerized medical records. Nor the absence of an industry-killing cap-and-trade carbon levy. Nor the lack of college graduates. Indeed, one could perversely make the case that, if anything, the proliferation of overeducated, Gucci-wearing, smart-ass MBAs inventing ever more sophisticated and opaque mathematical models and debt instruments helped get us into this credit catastrophe in the first place.

And yet with our financial house on fire, Obama makes clear both in his speech and his budget that the essence of his presidency will be the transformation of health care, education and energy. Four months after winning the election, six weeks after his swearing in, Obama has yet to unveil a plan to deal with the banking crisis.

What's going on? "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," said Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. "This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before."

Things. Now we know what they are. The markets' recent precipitous decline is a reaction not just to the absence of any plausible bank rescue plan, but also to the suspicion that Obama sees the continuing financial crisis as usefully creating the psychological conditions -- the sense of crisis bordering on fear-itself panic -- for enacting his "Big Bang" agenda to federalize and/or socialize health care, education and energy, the commanding heights of post-industrial society.

Clever politics, but intellectually dishonest to the core. Health, education and energy -- worthy and weighty as they may be -- are not the cause of our financial collapse. And they are not the cure. The fraudulent claim that they are both cause and cure is the rhetorical device by which an ambitious president intends to enact the most radical agenda of social transformation seen in our lifetime.

Kaliayev 03-06-2009 10:55 AM

Its amazing how Dr Strangelo....uh, Charles Krauthammer found his scepticism towards government again like that.

TheMercenary 03-06-2009 07:43 PM

UTTTTT Oh. SO no gang rapes in the Olympic Training Center?

TGRR 03-07-2009 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Zhuge Liang (Post 542166)
Its amazing how Dr Strangelo....uh, Charles Krauthammer found his scepticism towards government again like that.

Yes, it's amazing, isn't it? Why, it seems like only yesterday that the right was telling us that to disagree with the president in wartime was treason, and that we - as Americans - "had better learn to watch what we say" (Thanks, Ari Fleischer, you little Nazi screwhead!).

And where has this urgent need for respect for our chief executive gone? At what point did the rules change? It seems that Krauthammer didn't actually respect the office he claimed was above reproach, but merely his party.

I love this decade.

sugarpop 03-07-2009 10:13 PM

Well, neocons are much bigger hypocrites.

classicman 03-07-2009 11:11 PM

nah - they're just more obvious. A really good conman is much more dangerous. For example see Bernie Madoff.

tw 03-08-2009 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 542678)
A really good conman is much more dangerous. For example see Bernie Madoff.

... who was protected when an extemists dominated SEC refused to investigate Madoff tips from numerous whistleblowers. To continue as a conman, Madoff needed friends in the high places - the George Jr administration.

classicman 03-08-2009 01:33 PM

I was referring to the people he conned the money from. Thought that was rather obvious.

sugarpop 03-09-2009 03:08 PM

Well apparently he making a deal so his wife can keep the condo and the money. WTF?

Urbane Guerrilla 03-09-2009 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarpop (Post 542650)
Well, neocons are much bigger hypocrites.

Having read neocon essays -- surely more of them than you -- I disagree, quite.

You've been, you know, carefully taught, in the South Pacific sense. But you may actually get a chance to unlearn some of the bunk.


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