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Radar 11-03-2008 10:28 AM

1 Day Left - Obama Leads Nationally by 7%
 
With only 1 day left until election day, Barack Obama's lead has grown to a full 7% nationally. He will not only win, but win by a landslide.

This is bad news for the twisted neocons who backed the worst president in American history; George W. Bush, but it's fantastic news for America, and especially the American worker.

President Obama will usher in an era of peace, prosperity, security, and freedom. He will work very hard to erase all of the damage done to our civil rights, economy, reputation throughout the world, and most of all, he will improve America's foreign policy.

President Obama will help all American workers, including those idiots who accuse him of being socialist or Muslim or anti-American. Those poor and ignorant people in the red states who have found themselves going to food banks because the president they voted for wrecked America and spent our economy into the toilet. Even the dishonest scumbags and weasels who have spread the lies about Obama's birth certificate, not putting his hand on the bible, not putting his hand over his heart during the pledge, being a Muslim, being a racist, hanging out with terrorists, etc. will find that their lives have become a bit easier with Obama at the helm.

We're going from having a retarded president to having one who was the President of the Harvard Law Review. We're going from a coke-snorting, hypocritical, military deserter to a Constitutional law professor.

We're going from having a president without an ounce of honor or integrity to President Obama who has more honor, honesty, integrity, and character than Bush, his father, Ronald Reagan, and John McCain combined.

We are all going to win.

Radar 11-03-2008 10:29 AM

http://realclearpolitics.com

smoothmoniker 11-03-2008 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar (Post 500473)
... to a Constitutional law professor.

Radar, given your strict originalist view on the constitution, it amazes me to no end that you are willing to apply this label to Obama. After years of calling us all idiots and fools for allowing even a modicum of perspective in interpreting the constitution, you're almost wetting yourself with glee over a candidate who favors abandoning the 2nd amendment, supports the radical expansion in meaning of the 14th by the supreme court, and wholeheartedly endorses the illegal 16th.

For many of us, his view on the constitution seems reasonable and politically mainstream, but that's never been your bellwether: you've always been a strict constructionist, and Obama clearly is not. I'm genuinely curious as to how you reconcile the disparity between his political ideals and yours.

glatt 11-03-2008 10:54 AM

If only all political posts in the Cellar were so polite. Very smooth.

TheMercenary 11-03-2008 11:25 AM

Well stated.

Radar 11-03-2008 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothmoniker (Post 500484)
Radar, given your strict originalist view on the constitution, it amazes me to no end that you are willing to apply this label to Obama. After years of calling us all idiots and fools for allowing even a modicum of perspective in interpreting the constitution, you're almost wetting yourself with glee over a candidate who favors abandoning the 2nd amendment, supports the radical expansion in meaning of the 14th by the supreme court, and wholeheartedly endorses the illegal 16th.

For many of us, his view on the constitution seems reasonable and politically mainstream, but that's never been your bellwether: you've always been a strict constructionist, and Obama clearly is not. I'm genuinely curious as to how you reconcile the disparity between his political ideals and yours.

First, Obama may not be as strict a Constitutionalists as I am....few people are, and that includes the members of the Supreme Court. But unlike Bush and McCain, Obama does respect the Constitution. Bush has shown outright disdain for it. Obama is the most Constitutionalist of the bunch running right now, and I realize that's not saying much. The USSC has already ruled that gun ownership is an individual right, though they incorrectly said that the government has the authority to limit our rights, but this will keep Congress and President Obama from violating it further. Both of the major parties consider the 16th to be legal, so there's nothing different between them.

Obama is as good a president as we could ever expect from the two major parties. He's everything that Bush wasn't; intelligent, well-educated, articulate, honest, courageous, and he's got integrity and character.

smoothmoniker 11-03-2008 12:36 PM

Setting aside the political perspectives on individual issues, do you think it more likely that Obama's potential nominations to the Supreme Court will be constructionists, or judicial activists?

It seems much more likely to me that a key litmus test for any supreme court nominee that passes through nomination by Obama and approval by a Democratic senate will be that judges' willingness to expand the power of the federal government in interpreting the constitution.

Juniper 11-03-2008 01:01 PM

Yeah, he's a real class act.

http://www.drudgereport.com/finger.jpg

Clodfobble 11-03-2008 01:04 PM

Yeah, I agree. One-fifth of my fingers are filthy and evil and I should never, ever use them for anything. God only made them the longest ones to tempt me!

Juniper 11-03-2008 01:15 PM

I should specify, take it in context. He was "congratulating" John McCain on his hard work and success. He did the same thing a while back to Hillary. If it was unintentional, the crowd didn't think so, and he seemed to know quite well what they were laughing about.

I'm just sayin', the mudslinging is not one-sided by a long shot.

bluecuracao 11-03-2008 01:30 PM

That photo looks odd. Where'd it come from?

Sundae 11-03-2008 01:33 PM

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Yup, and Palin's daughter flicked the V's at a little boy. That's really offensive here btw.

TheMercenary 11-03-2008 01:45 PM

Palin still is one good looking woman. I can't imagine her as president. Maybe Obama could make her ambassador to the UK? :D

Or like Canada? That might be a better choice, they could understand each other better.

glatt 11-03-2008 01:58 PM

I figured with her expertise being so close to Russia, she would be better suited there.

Sundae 11-03-2008 02:01 PM

Bwahahahaha - Ambassador to the UK... She'd never consent to living in such a godless country!

Actually, that would be kinda fun. Except Ambassadors don't get much airplay. I'd love her to come up against the BBC intelligensia.

For the record, Boris (now Mayor of London) getting the Paxman treatment:

Trilby 11-03-2008 02:15 PM

srsly? I'm nervous. all of a sudden, the McCain't signs are popping up. If mcCain't wins, I shall be physically ill.

I really will. I'll hold my breath. You'll see.

Clodfobble 11-03-2008 02:19 PM

The election has been Godwinned.

Juniper 11-03-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao (Post 500522)
That photo looks odd. Where'd it come from?

Source here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBMdWxcFXQg

Here's the birdie for Hillary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhkq1...eature=related

Trilby 11-03-2008 02:26 PM

Juniper---you're a republican?

*faints*

Juniper 11-03-2008 02:27 PM

Yup. Gonna be an interesting week.

lookout123 11-03-2008 02:28 PM

Is this the thread where I'm supposed to get all frantic about the future of the US and pledge to move to another country if my candidate isn't elected?

Radar 11-03-2008 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoothmoniker (Post 500507)
Setting aside the political perspectives on individual issues, do you think it more likely that Obama's potential nominations to the Supreme Court will be constructionists, or judicial activists?

It seems much more likely to me that a key litmus test for any supreme court nominee that passes through nomination by Obama and approval by a Democratic senate will be that judges' willingness to expand the power of the federal government in interpreting the constitution.

I suppose that would depend on what you consider a judicial activist to be. Some people have used that term to describe the judges in California and Massachusetts who overturned the ban on gay marriage when nothing could be further from the truth.

I consider Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, and Alito to all be activist judges who think they have the authority to ignore the Constitution when it is in favor of governmental "interests". They are granted no such power by the Constitution.

I'd certainly hope that any judges nominated by Obama will defend the RIGHT of a woman to get an abortion at any stage of pregnancy for any reason, or no reason she wants without any permission, notification, or oversight from any other person, group of people, or government entity. I'd like to see more judges who recognize that there are limits on what the government may or may not do, and which laws it may or may not create.

piercehawkeye45 11-03-2008 02:31 PM

Quote:

The election has been Godwinned.

Al-Qaeda endorses McCain
Black Supremacists endorse McCain
White Supremacists endorse Obama

And somehow all their logic actually does seem to make some sense from their perspective.

glatt 11-03-2008 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble (Post 500535)

That Yahanna guy at the bottom of the list is a real dick. I haven't seen him in several months, but he and his group used to camp out every Friday afternoon at the entrance to the Metro by my office. He would throw racist comments at all the white people as they entered the Metro to go home for the weekend.

lookout123 11-03-2008 02:52 PM

You are just being intolerant glatt. You should work on that issue. Sometimes the best way to learn is to help. I suggest you help him gather attention for his grievances. Pouring gas on him then throwing a match should work.

Juniper 11-03-2008 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 (Post 500543)
Al-Qaeda endorses McCain
Black Supremacists endorse McCain
White Supremacists endorse Obama

And somehow all their logic actually does seem to make some sense from their perspective.

Kind of like a Devil's Advocate.

Urbane Guerrilla 11-04-2008 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 500539)
Is this the thread where I'm supposed to get all frantic about the future of the US and pledge to move to another country if my candidate isn't elected?

And could you still use Alec Baldwin's plane ticket?

Team America: World Police may have been right about the guy... but having Kim Jong Il singing uncomplimentary songs about you may still beat being blown into shreds of ham.

But I'm not sure about it.:headshake

Sundae 11-04-2008 02:11 PM

Sigh.

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The BBC's Philippa Thomas in Columbus, Ohio, says: In the affluent suburb of Grandview, I spoke to two different grandmothers with two different views. The Democrat said she hadn't voted for years, but that this was different - this was a day to make history. Her friend had phoned her up bright and early and told her: "Get down there now, don't even stop to finish your face!" The Republican lady said to me very emphatically: "I'm here to save this country." She wanted to tell me: "Mr Obama is associated with terrorists. He's not for America." Her husband looked somewhat worried at the turn of phrase and moved towards us - she said: "I don't care. It's the truth!" Would he like to make any comment, I asked. He just smiled and said: "I think she's said it all!"

Cicero 11-04-2008 02:24 PM

Uuuh yep. He's going to win. I'm depressed about either of them winning, so I'll just watch and eat chocolate cake. I have a big meal planned, to cheer myself up. Gotta stay positive.


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