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Maui Nick 10-23-2008 05:01 PM

Dear Red States ...
 
From Best of Craigslist:

Dear Red States...

We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon,Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.

To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay. We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy b*****ds believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico.

Peace out,
Blue States

Sundae 10-23-2008 05:13 PM

I know it's horribly biased. But because it suits my own bias (politically) I do find it funny.

HungLikeJesus 10-23-2008 05:26 PM

But on a county basis it looks more like this (2004):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e_counties.png

dar512 10-23-2008 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 496874)
But on a county basis it looks more like this (2004):

Is there a better argument for doing away with the electoral college?

Urbane Guerrilla 10-23-2008 10:04 PM

County by county, both Hollywood and Yosemite are located in the fifty-fifty zones. Hee hee!

Griff 10-24-2008 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 496870)
I know it's horribly biased. But because it suits my own bias (politically) I do find it funny.

It is an oldy though, Eliott Spitzer was driven out of office for using prostitutes while prosecuting same.

TheMercenary 10-24-2008 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dar512 (Post 496884)
Is there a better argument for doing away with the electoral college?

No, there is no good argument for doing away with the electoral college.

lookout123 10-24-2008 10:19 AM

I read this thread yesterday and while I recognize that it is meant to be humorous I found myself shaking my head at the very real mindset behind the humor. It seems that being a social and/or fiscal conservative in this country is now synonymous with being a poorly educated hick who has been fooled by the rich, white robber barons - or worse - actually being one of the robber barons.

A very good friend of mine was recently bitching about the idiocy found in red states. Rednecks. Racists. Selfish rich people. On and on he went about the idiocy... even though he lives squarely in the middle of suburban Illinois and is surrounded by the very things he loathes in red states. He has only lived in the middle of that very blue state, but he knows the evil of the red. He knows anyone who supports McCain is either evil or stupid. He knows anyone who opposes higher taxes is selfish and anti-middle class. He knows anyone who doesn't demand an immediate withdrawal of our troops from the middle east is truly anti-american. He knows all of these things because he is a tolerant, open minded, well educated, progressive, black man. He knows that those are the evils of the red, so he enthusiastically supports Obama who will confront those evils head on.

Those were my thoughts after reading this thread. Then last night we had dinner at a local (read as tiny, authentic, hole in the wall) mexican joint. The kids were bugging the shit out of me so I started drifting. In the booth behind me was a mexican couple with their two kids and an adult friend. I listened to them calmly and rationally speak to their friend about why they were supporting McCain. They spoke about immigration policy, taxes, and social issues. They laughed at Palin but said it was cool that a nutty chick from the boondocks could possibly make it to the White House. I didn't agree with all their points, but I thought to myself, "these people certainly don't fit the currently popular stereotype of conservatives."

At the booth next to us was a table full of middle age white couples. They were also talking politics. One couple supported Obama. They were rational about it. They simply believed that taking more from the rich to help the poor was the right thing to do. Their friends calmly and rationally gave their opinion on why their fiscally conservative ideas were better. They were all friendly, intelligent, well-spoken people.

I live in a red state. Extremely dysfunctional, but red. I am fiscal conservative and a socially moderate/conservative. I'm educated. I'm fairly intelligent. I have all my teeth and rarely say nuke-u-ler. I find the arrogance found in the attitudes that generate 'humor' as found above extremely grating and yet pervasive. I respect nearly everyone in the cellar. Most are very intelligent and genuinely thoughtful people... except when it comes to this issue. The board is still largely flavored by Philly with seasoning coming from England. Most of the people who visit and decide to stay in the cellar are very comfortable with the left of center beliefs (firmly and proudly blue). That's cool, I don't have an issue with what anyone chooses to believe. I do have to say though it is incredibly disappointing when the condescension gets as thick as it is right now. Because most of you are blue you probably don't even see it. I lol'd when I read someone's post about how they haven't met ANYONE who supports McCain... really? Think about it. Maybe that has to do more with your insular environment than the actual beliefs of the country.

This post is longer than I intended, but my point is one I've made many times in the last four years. Two people can look at the same data and come to different conclusions about the best course of action without one of those people necessarily being stupid, uneducated, racist, or any other derogatory term thrown about now. We each have our internal, personal framework of right/wrong, good/better/best. We each have different areas of knowledge and experience. We each have different processing abilities - emotional/logical. All of those specifics make up the individual framework through which all data must pass. That framework will dictate what the conclusion is based on innumerable variables. Coming to different conclusions based on the same data does not require one individual to be superior to the other.

This has been a Public Service Announcement.:rant:

Sundae 10-24-2008 10:29 AM

I do appreciate what you're saying Lookout. And I am also a great believer in listening to other people's points of view, and am often pleasantly surprised to find I am slowly turning in the direction of something I would once have rejected, just because intelligent debate has stimulated my interest. After all, most people here are further right than me, and yet I clearly enjoy the company.

I also understand why you felt you had to write that, and why you put it here.

All I'd ask (for your peace of mind) is to recognise that the only person who responded as finding it funny was me. And even I know the facts must have been skewed. Politics is a touchy subject sometimes. There are certain political issues I wouldn't want to discuss here because I know I'd be in the minority and it's not worth the grief.

I for one - and many others I'm sure - respect your political views because they are part of who you are. I reserve the right to disagree with them, but I hope I would never pigeon hole you because of them.

Hope you don't feel too marginalised.

DanaC 10-24-2008 10:31 AM

Capitalist pig


(:p)

TheMercenary 10-24-2008 10:36 AM

Damm good post LO, I share your sentiments. It seems to me that each presidential election cycle gets worse. We don't just see things differently in country, we are becoming radically divided. Those who think like you, and those who don't.

DanaC 10-24-2008 10:58 AM

It would probably help if people at least stopped calling each other anti-american, or traitors, depending which side they're on. Individual politicians may or may not have personal agendas but the basic ideology of both sides is derived from an attempt to answer fundmental questions in the best way possible. Both sides are patriotic.

lookout123 10-24-2008 10:59 AM

No worries, SG - the post itself had some things that made me smile - it's only humor after all. (or should I say humour?) My post was more a general statement about the state of affairs rather than a specific response to a particular post.

And Dana? Bite me ya manc tart.

Cicero 10-24-2008 11:00 AM

I don't think anyone has boxed you in here lookout. We just tend to take things personally around election times around here, and I don't think that was aimed at you in the slightest.

And maybe I haven't met anyone voting for McCain aside from my parents that are now spamming my e-mail with their highly conservative m.o., that I do not respect in the slightest. Insinuating that obama is a terrorist. My mom needs me to vote for McCain and I just have to trust her on this. Sorry mom. Nope.

But I also know where I live, and this area is highly Democratic. So no. I haven't met anyone that is voting for McCain. My mom lives in the other part of the South. I am sure she is surrounded by people voting for McCain....

People get all bunched up around here during elections, and it will continue. I gave no indication of my political affiliations at any time. I do give indications of what I will not do.

I make fun of obama here all the time. No one seems to get all butt hurt about that....

I'll tell you right now however, that I am not undecided, and that I don't trust any of those assholes to run this country, and all of them piss me off. My vote is of the "no confidence" variety and I am getting tired of the show. Go ahead, make fun of that too. I expect it here.

I do know that lookout, you have always been a respected member of the cellar and if you take another look at the joke, you are no indicator of any of the descriptions, and you were never intended to be. The fact that people get so wrapped up is the really funny part, because they stop at nothing to support their own agenda. The last thing to go is a sense of humor.

Lighten up folks. It's just the end of the world. :) I thought it was funny. But if it were the other direction it would still be funny.

"You can have the yoga and tofu" and "we get all the farms"....

lookout123 10-24-2008 11:05 AM

Does the fact that it never occurred to me that the post might be directed at me in any way mean I'm self involved or oblivious? Either way, I was simply speaking about the Us v Them mentality. The only winners when we're separated are the politicians.

HungLikeJesus 10-24-2008 11:13 AM

I've been getting about five political messages on the answering machine every day. It seems that the Democratic ones start with, "This is why you should vote for Obama..." (and then I delete them), and the Republican ones start with, "This is why you shouldn't vote for Obama."

TheMercenary 10-24-2008 11:16 AM

Funny. I have heard a lot of talk about the roving auto phone messages but we have not had one. Maybe it is because Obama quit GA a few months ago.

lookout123 10-24-2008 11:18 AM

I'm actually somewhat convinced the R's are doing this year what the d's did in '04. *adjust your tinfoil hat now* I believe the d machine put Kerry up but didn't want him to win. They were clearly grooming Obama and the others recognized Hillary wasn't ready yet. If Kerry was elected then it would have been 8 years before either would have a shot.

This year the R's have McCain/Palin and a fairly inept campaign strategy. My conspiracy theory is that they are expecting Obama to win and go all Carter on us so that the "REAL" conservatives can bring out their new Reagan to put us back on the "right" path. I have no freaking clue who they'd be grooming behind the scenes though unless it is someone like Gingrich.

Undertoad 10-24-2008 11:29 AM

I believe that the political divide is poison. Look at the Cellar forum categories. Politics is just a small part of who we are. 95% of life is NOT politics.

It's ironic. We seek to divide humanity, but to truly solve problems, we must find a way to unite. But in politics, we are trying so hard to find reasons to hate each other. We have to find a way around this.

DanaC 10-24-2008 11:31 AM

Quote:

Politics is just a small part of who we are. 95% of life is NOT politics.
Politics underpins everything else.

Cicero 10-24-2008 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 497117)
Does the fact that it never occurred to me that the post might be directed at me in any way mean I'm self involved or oblivious? Either way, I was simply speaking about the Us v Them mentality. The only winners when we're separated are the politicians.

My parents are extreme. To them it is us vs. them and they can't even talk to me about politics because they get frustrated when I don't fall for caustic secrecy about "facts" about O'bama. I know my dad was "up there" in the chain of command or whatever, but I don't think they do know, firsthand, jack about O'bama and his ties.

They are politically conservative and always have been. They are "us" and I am "them" and that is inside one immediate family. I love my parents, but some of the stereotypes about conservatives are actually true with them, and it's unfortunate. Their agenda is clear, even though they utilize things that came from a more liberal front on a daily basis. For them, I think their political views stem from their peers, and that's the way it has always been.

I like that there is some balance in this chaos. Group A does what they think is right and someone benefits, and Group B does what they think is right and someone benefits...and so on....This is diversity.

No lookout, no one said you had any sort of problem with your reaction. I have the same knee jerk reaction when people make sexual attacks against Palin just because she's a woman. I have a different axe to grind and I get carried away on terrible rants because people have chosen this election to show their true colors, and let sexism reign once again...I feel like those attacks are directed at me for being a woman. Because when someone goes off on their sexual attacks I feel they are attacking all women. See? I can feel a rant coming on already about that, but for the sake of the thread I'm not going to do it.

I find myself defending Palin which is the last thing I want to do. Because it effects me. I lose my sense of humour when people start calling the wombs they came from, clown cars....We aren't that different. I just have trouble with people acting badly to support their mo.

You are right lookout, not only are the winners the politicians, some people become losers. :D

Pico and ME 10-24-2008 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 497128)
I'm actually somewhat convinced the R's are doing this year what the d's did in '04. *adjust your tinfoil hat now* I believe the d machine put Kerry up but didn't want him to win. They were clearly grooming Obama and the others recognized Hillary wasn't ready yet. If Kerry was elected then it would have been 8 years before either would have a shot.

This year the R's have McCain/Palin and a fairly inept campaign strategy. My conspiracy theory is that they are expecting Obama to win and go all Carter on us so that the "REAL" conservatives can bring out their new Reagan to put us back on the "right" path. I have no freaking clue who they'd be grooming behind the scenes though unless it is someone like Gingrich.


My thoughts too, Lookout. The Republicans do not want to win this one. Hell, well-known republicans are now backing Obama, a democrat. Whens the last time that happened? I don't remember the Clinton/Bush election, did Clinton get these kind of endorsements? It does feel like a 'conspiracy'... or at least a grand play. And Yes, Obama has been the 'set-up' for a while. I sensed this pretty early on and thats why I didn't back him in the primaries. I liked Edwards. But after his massive 'fail', I wondered about his role in all this.

OK, I've probably shown a lot of ignorance with this rambling, but these are thoughts that crossed my mind.

Undertoad 10-24-2008 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 497136)
Politics underpins everything else.

(semi-true)

Nothingland underpins everything else. (false)
Current events underpin everything else. (semi-true)
Entertainment underpins everything else. (false)
Technology underpins everything else. (true)
The Internet underpins everything else. (semi-true)
Philosophy underpins everything else. (true)
Cities and travel underpins everything else. (semi-true)
Sports underpins everything else. (false)
Food and drink underpins everything else. (true)
Parenting underpins everything else. (definitely true)
Health underpins everything else. (definitely true)
Relationships underpin everything else. (definitely true)
Creative expression underpins everything else. (true)
The Image of the Day underpins everything else. (only semi-true for Cellar)
Quality Images underpin everything else. (false)
Cellar Meta underpins everything else. (only true for Cellar)

TheMercenary 10-24-2008 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 497135)
I believe that the political divide is poison. Look at the Cellar forum categories. Politics is just a small part of who we are. 95% of life is NOT politics.

It's ironic. We seek to divide humanity, but to truly solve problems, we must find a way to unite. But in politics, we are trying so hard to find reasons to hate each other. We have to find a way around this.

I just don't see it happening. The attacks from the left and the right are intense and most of the material turns out to false, or at least barely true. And then they take it and twist it. Most of the electorate is not smart enough or takes the time to investigate past what they are fed on TV or in EM spam from other like minded individuals.

SamIam 10-24-2008 11:55 AM

I agree with Dana. Our lives are very much influenced by politics. We live in a republic disguised as a democracy. (don't know if our British friends live in a democracy or a republic - I'm sure Dana could enlighten us.

Anyway, we don't live under a monarchy or a dictatorship or a totalitarian regime. When I stayed in Latin America for a while, I was amazed at how terrified some of my friends were of their government. They could not speak out freely, elections were rigged and the poverty and suffering were truly horrendous. Most of my South American friends were young professionals with much to contribute, but the current dictatorship was more interested in raking in as many cruzero's as possible and staying in office. The government was NOT interested putting good people to work and doing something about the country's massive economic and hunger problems.

As far as pre-recorded phone calls, the Dems have hounding me to death, but I haven't heard a peep from the Republicans. My state has gone Republican since before the conquistadors arrived. I guess the polls are close enough that the Dems feel that the effort is worth it. My state would make a tasty electoral college tidbit whoever gets it this time around. ;)

Maui Nick 10-24-2008 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 497141)
(semi-true)

Nothingland underpins everything else. (false)
Current events underpin everything else. (semi-true)
Entertainment underpins everything else. (false)
Technology underpins everything else. (true)
The Internet underpins everything else. (semi-true)
Philosophy underpins everything else. (true)
Cities and travel underpins everything else. (semi-true)
Sports underpins everything else. (false)
Food and drink underpins everything else. (true)
Parenting underpins everything else. (definitely true)
Health underpins everything else. (definitely true)
Relationships underpin everything else. (definitely true)
Creative expression underpins everything else. (true)
The Image of the Day underpins everything else. (only semi-true for Cellar)
Quality Images underpin everything else. (false)
Cellar Meta underpins everything else. (only true for Cellar)

:eyebrow: Sir, I am incredibly disappointed at the lack of respect for Home Base, which clearly underpins everything else.

:biglaugha

classicman 10-24-2008 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 497098)
There are certain political issues I wouldn't want to discuss here because I know I'd be in the minority and it's not worth the grief.

Ya know what SG, Very true - Wish I had that foresight.


Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 497100)
Damm good post LO, I share your sentiments. It seems to me that each presidential election cycle gets worse. We don't just see things differently in country, we are becoming radically divided. Those who think like you, and those who don't.

Thirded. To bad it has become such a divisive issue - I blame the extremists ON BOTH SIDES.

Cicero 10-24-2008 12:25 PM

I BLAME THE PEOPLE THAT WRITE IN ALL CAPS. ALL OF THEM. ;)

dar512 10-24-2008 12:51 PM

Why can't they use bold the way God intended?

SamIam 10-24-2008 12:53 PM

I love ALL CAPS. When I post in ALL CAPS, it genrally means that I am totally enraged and closed to all opinions other than my own. I am working on this, but I've had my lapses - not here, though. That said, I think people are just going to become passionate in an election year. We feel strongly about the issues and we hope to influence the state of our country with our vote. What can be more important? I'd rather see a few free for alls on boards like the Cellar than apathy. Our government should be a matter of deep concern for us all. I am a liberal, but I'd rather see an honest conservative government than I would a liberal one that arose out of the ashes of indifference.

Cicero 10-24-2008 12:58 PM

LOSER! ;) lol!

classicman 10-24-2008 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 497184)
Our government should be a matter of deep concern for us all. ~snip~ I'd rather see an honest conservative government than I would a liberal one that arose out of the ashes of indifference.

Excellent, well put. Outstanding.....

Big Sarge 10-24-2008 02:51 PM

I'm slightly confused about this red/blue state issue. As I understand, the red states indicate "the red-blooded Americans". What does the blue stand for?

HungLikeJesus 10-24-2008 02:55 PM

Blue-blooded Americans?

Big Sarge 10-24-2008 03:04 PM

Blue-blooded? You mean the aristocrats that trodden the middle class?

Shawnee123 10-24-2008 03:06 PM

No man, the aristo-CATS.

I don't know. I think your basic premise is off: we're all red-blooded americans, though some factions might want us to believe that only the red peeps are.

Wiki, everyone's favorite source, says
Quote:

According to The Washington Post, the terms were coined by Tim Russert during his televised coverage of the 2000 presidential election.[1]
They had always used colored maps but he started calling them red and blue and it stuck.

Big Sarge 10-24-2008 03:37 PM

I was making a lame joke about the red (Republican) states being the so called true, red-blooded Americans. I guess I am showing my age with the phrase. Just trying to get a "RISE" out of some folks here

Shawnee123 10-24-2008 03:45 PM

You silly goose! I'm easy to get a rise out of, but you're such a friendly sort it didn't occur to me you were being a shmart-ash! :)

Pie 10-24-2008 03:51 PM

Red states: I call them the Red Menace.
:drummer:

TheMercenary 10-24-2008 04:04 PM

I was just thinking, if they took the states they said they wanted and left the rest to us, I wonder what they are going to eat this winter and where they are going to get gas and heating oil from. I sure wouldn't send them any. :lol2:

Cicero 10-24-2008 04:15 PM

Hey. No copy-catting. :)

xoxoxoBruce 10-25-2008 01:49 AM

Real patriots get their oil from OPEC & Russia. :rolleyes:

Griff 10-25-2008 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC (Post 497136)
Politics underpins everything else.

This is what worries my libertarian gut about my support for the "lefty" this time around. I don't believe politics should have much impact on our lives. At least the left admitts they're doing it. The right asserts their control over other's lives and somehow disconnects from that reality.

DanaC 10-25-2008 08:40 AM

You misunderstand me Griff. I don't mean government or ideology underpins everything else. I mean everything about life is political.

Someone (may have been aristotle?) said "man is a political animal". I agree with that. 'Politics' is just the name we give to how we organise our societies.

Griff 10-25-2008 09:03 AM

Actually, I think I understand. The idea that "we" organize societies rather than societies being a result of natural interactions is my problem. I sat through some right wing organizing the last time I was in a church and listen to left wing organizing at work. So I guess it is the difference between what I want and what I see. The organizers are always out on the right or left edges and are often destroyers not creators.

DanaC 10-25-2008 12:17 PM

Mm. I am using organise in a more abstract sense. Perhaps, a better way of putting it would be that politics underpins how our societies/groups/families/races/schools/clubs/governments etc etc, are organised. Politics is the name we give to the stuff we do when we interact as human beings: reciprocity, co-operation, hierarchies, place within the group - all these things are what have evolved into 'politics'. We separate 'politics' from our day to day life because we have in modern culture separated 'home' from 'world'. But politics is just the ultimate expression of the tribal/pack interactions which we (along with other species) have found so profitable.

xoxoxoBruce 10-25-2008 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griff (Post 497440)
The organizers are always out on the right or left edges and are often destroyers not creators.

Yeah, it seems the extremes, right or left, are the ones most anxious to "organize" every group... make the rules and set the direction/goals.

Dana, that's the broadest definition of politics I've even read. :haha:

monster 10-25-2008 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 497151)
We live in a republic disguised as a democracy. (don't know if our British friends live in a democracy or a republic


It's a democracy disguised as a monarchy.


btw, in UK politics, bllue = conservative right, red = liberal left. it's like driving...

xoxoxoBruce 10-25-2008 04:39 PM

Btw, you foreigners can vote too.
http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/

Sundae 10-25-2008 05:14 PM

Interesting.
I just wonder if "the rest of the world" dislikes the phrase
Quote:

The president of the United States of America is the most powerful person in the world.
as much as I do.

DanaC 10-25-2008 05:59 PM

He is though. If anyone is it's him.

Sundae 10-25-2008 06:10 PM

I just don't need to hear it again and again and again.
It wasn't necessary in that context anyway.

How about if I, in every post, told people I'm on the front desk at EEA. Hey, deliveries, visitors and phone calls are screwed when I'm not there!

Nope. People who work with me know that. There's no point in mentioning it.

SamIam 10-26-2008 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 497546)
Interesting.
I just wonder if "the rest of the world" dislikes the phrase
as much as I do.

Probably the most powerful person in the world is the head of the Saudi royal family. He who controls the oil, controls the world. Without oil to run it, our military would be powerless to engage in its current adventures "making the world safe for democracy." :eyebrow:

richlevy 10-26-2008 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamIam (Post 497645)
Probably the most powerful person in the world is the head of the Saudi royal family. He who controls the oil, controls the world. Without oil to run it, our military would be powerless to engage in its current adventures "making the world safe for democracy." :eyebrow:

True, but the Saudis are not all of OPEC, and OPEC does not control %100 of the worlds supply.

SamIam 10-26-2008 10:21 AM

True. The last I heard, the majority of our foreign oil imports are from Canada. So, maybe the Canadian Prime Minister is the most powerful person in the world. Go Maple Leaves! ;)

classicman 10-26-2008 11:48 AM

We import the most oil from Canada refine it and send most of that back. Most of the oil we consume/use/waste/whatever does not come from there.

Trilby 10-26-2008 03:27 PM

know what scares me? Old women drivers. Old women drivers who think Barak Obama is an A-rab.

regular.joe 10-26-2008 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 497546)
Interesting.
I just wonder if "the rest of the world" dislikes the phrase
as much as I do.

I much prefer "the hand that rocks the cradle, rocks the world".

Aliantha 10-27-2008 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griff (Post 497440)
Actually, I think I understand. The idea that "we" organize societies rather than societies being a result of natural interactions is my problem. I sat through some right wing organizing the last time I was in a church and listen to left wing organizing at work. So I guess it is the difference between what I want and what I see. The organizers are always out on the right or left edges and are often destroyers not creators.

Maybe it's natural to organize ourselves, taking into account that for every organizer, there's a herd of followers who just want to be organized.

It's the natural course of events. ;)

TheMercenary 10-27-2008 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 497705)
know what scares me? Old women drivers. Old women drivers who think Barak Obama is an A-rab.

What? He's not? :eek:


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