What if?
 

How Racism Works...

What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said "I do" to?
What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?

What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5?
What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.

You are The Boss... which team would you hire?

With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc.

Educational Background:

Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna (inappropriate term) Laude

Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

Now, which team are you going to hire ?

PS: What if Barack Obama had an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter....

*Blinks*

Superb.

Though, if recent history is anything to go by, being the more eloquent educated candidate might actually play against you.

I doubt none of the lefty's from the Daily Kos would make fun of him. He's black. The teen pregnancy was 83/1000 among Hispanics (twice the overall rate),
63.7 among non-Hispanic blacks (however, blacks have a slightly higher teen pregnancy rate than Hispanics),
54.7 among American Indian or Alaska Natives, and
26.6 among non-Hispanic whites.

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealt...ntReproHealth/

It is more accepted. And a near ethnic crisis. Pretty sad. But hey daughters of white chicks aren't suppose to have premarital sex right? Esp if their mommy was elected to run as VP on a Republickin ticket.

I think we may be over that now, its been a painful eight years. The smart, eloquent, perceptive guy is going to win this time.

Oh but Georgie has provided a plethora of faux pas to keep the world giggling the whole time although I suppose many Americans feel a bit red faced at the choice they made in the end. ;)

ETA: Mind you, Australia's previous PM also offered comediens plenty to work with too. :)

No doubt about that.

And while I shudder at the thought of Sarah Palin getting anywhere NEAR DC, just imagine her exclaiming how she can see Russia from Alaska everytime someone asks her about foreign policy.

Yes well, you can see France from England, and we all know how that's worked out historically. lol

Oh God that has to be HOF material.

:lol2:

For a minute there I was trying to make the link between my post and David Hasselhoff. lol

Then I realized you meant something else.

You crazy woman! Damm prego's. A condition that will screw your mind up.





(kidding)

OH yes, my brain doesn't work so well some days lately. I'm sure there those who would say it's never worked too well though. lol Those people can come kiss my arse though. ;)

An education doesn't compensate for being void of character, and character seems an ill-recognized necessity for the office of President. Bill Clinton was smart and eloquent -- and not Presidential timber because of the nature of his character. And it showed.

Dubya has more and better character than his critics and his active enemies have ever admitted -- or for that matter ever comprehended, for they conspicuously lack such character to the most astonishing degree and are thus ill qualified to perceive it. This is what their writings and their opinions consistently show.

And from Little Diomede Island, you can see Big Diomede island, which belongs to Russia, even with some haze in the air as long as visibility is greater than 4 kilometers. The question becomes just why one is on Diomede Island in the first place, as it is a uniform possibly volcanic truncated cone with nothing much to recommend it as a destination but its symmetry -- of profile if not of plan.

So, was Sarah Palin the Sarahcuda actually wrong then?

Sorry, it is an interesting post and makes serious points.
But this cracked me up

ummm...I don't get it. Why is Magna inappropriate?

They've replaced the cum
(sorry if you were joking)

ohhhhh sorry, of course.

Well who wouldn't vote for a man whose JD could cum lauder than anyone else's?






Hey Baby, wanna see my Juris Doctor? It'll make us both cum laude!

Yeah, I liked that too. It's a post from AZCentral.com. lol!!!

Here's another What If...

What if something like the most BS rumours and innuendos about Obama was actually true.

That he actually is a secret Arabic Muslim operative who has been on a lifelong mission to infiltrate US politics and thereby deliver a king-hit blow in the global War on Terror.
Total BS of course, but just imagine for a minute. That would be one of the most amazing coups in history. Imagine being a historian 500 years in the future, reading about it.
I reckon that even if it is all true, you ought to vote for Obama anyway, just to make it happen.
And given how much Presidential power has increased recently, and constitutional protections diminished, it would be the perfect time for it.

I'm calling BS on all of this, of course, I just think it's a great story.

Yeah, a great story.

I like this...

Obama worked with Ayers because he wanted to have a contact who could bomb buildings. Following the election, it was remarkable when Code Pink received instructions on how to blow up the Marine Recruiting Center in Berkeley, and when FBI interference seemed to prevent investigation of the crime.

Obama stayed in 20 years of sermons from Rev. Wright because he wanted instructions in how to be anti-American from an urban black perspective. It was remarkable when he launched into a bombastic sermon right from the podium, just following his inauguration.

ok UT - now you're scaring me.

Lible. :) You are all getting so sued! bwuahahahaaa!

No, good ones guys. I like it. Let's finish the media stories for them... You guys are better at this...so carry on!

I like this...

After gaining office, Obama takes more and more power as his own personal right as President. Issuing in sweeping changes that benefit black Americans to the detritment of white. Cities erupt in civil unrest as white Americans feel they have become the under-class and are being dicriminated against from the highest office in the land. Black Americans feel it is their turn to RISE.

And in all the chaos, the remnants of the Manson family head for the hills. With Barak Obama Manson, Charlie's mixed race hidden son, adopted out in his infancy but in clandestine contact with his father for years.

You mean, Barack Hussein Manson?!? lol!

I'm so f'ing tired of being accused of racism because I don't support Obama. It has nothing to do with his education, his elocution, or his character.

I believe him. I think he's trustworthy and persuasive. I believe he will try to do what he says he wants to do.

And, I think what he wants to do would be wrong for America.

That's OK, Obama supporters are tired of being accused of ignorance and anti-americanism because we don't support McCain. :shrugs:

And I'm getting tired of Sarah Palin being a stupid fucking cunt.

Looks like we're all tired. NAP TIME!!!! :D

Get off my nap rug! Nappy headed ho!

And all this time I thought that was your real hair. hehe

You only think that because her bible says you should be stoned to death.

Oh, wait.
Yup, okay - fair enough.

The false prophet has taken over the White House and then Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse appeared... :D

Reminds me of: http://www.cellar.org/showpost.php?p...6&postcount=97

:p

:lol2: Good one.

Proof of racism in America:

Obama: US Senate - 2004-2008
Hilary Clinton: First Lady 1992-1999, US Senate 2000-2008
John Edwards: US Senate 1998-2004, VP candidate 2004
Joe Biden: US Senate 1973-2008

Obama wins the vote when I personally have seen very little difference between him and the other candidates on issues and experience. So???

Racist country ->
Liberal Guilt ->
Reverse Discrimination ->
Obama wins because he is black

So moving backwards...

Because Obama is black he receives reverse social discrimination which stems from liberal white guilt coming from a racist country. The fact that we have reverse discrimination as apparent as Obama shows that racism does still exist in our country.




But on the other hand, maybe all the Obama supporters need to stop accusing Republicans of their voting intentions and look at their own. Maybe we can find some similarities.

OUCH! Pierce!
Pierced indeed - I'm not even American and that wounded me.

If I were an American I'd vote Democrat. It would be absolutely fuck all to do with the melanin content of a person's skin (shades of RK) and whether they had a penis or not.

To suggest otherwise demeans your fellow citizens.

Well do you believe that reverse discrimination occurs, blacks to whites? And do you believe that blacks can be bigots or racists in their own right. Same for any other ethnic delineation, say Korean’s against white or blacks. Chinese Americans against anyone not Chinese? And how might this be different from other countries, like the UK or our friends Down Under?

Heh, I'm the object of reverse rfn. As we speak.

rfn?

It's in a lot of thread, merc. You just don't recognize it out of context.

Right F*n Now

Yea..yep. I'm in public. right f now. And I'm the dumb gringa. But what's new? I look stupid to Mexicans because I'm blonde and very white. And they never hesitate to say so (dumb). :( It's become more irritating than anything....Nothing to get pissed about. They are too stupid to understand cultural differences. Who's the dumb one? Sometimes looks are deceiving, even with white people.

Ok, thanks. I would have had a hard time guessing it without the hint.:)

We have upside-down racism.

And yes, just because somebody is not white is no barrier to them being a bigot.

Thank you. Now you know how it feels to be a republican.

I know what it is like to have political views regardless of the specific candidate.

If someone is Republican no matter who is fielded, I can understand that. It's not a path I'd choose to take, but I'm not into telloing people what they can and can't think.

So yes, I do know how it feels to be a Republican. If that's what you mean.

It's not my fight though. I'll be feeling what it's like to be a Labour supporter in the next election, knowing my party isn't doing well and knowing the country will swing to the right as a result of the recent credit distress. I won't make up silly names for David Cameron, or dig up sleeze or flood the Cellar with political posts (you might not even realise an election is happening)

And I won't claim fellow Brits vote for Cameron because he is white. Because he is male. Because he went to Eton.

I think I'm done.

Before I answer I'm quickly going to define my terms so no confusion occurs.

Prejudice - The thought of one group being superior to the other.

Ex. The prejudice man thought all Mexicans were lazy.

Discrimination - The act of preferring one group to another by prejudice justification.

The running back coach discriminated against the white boy for the starting position.

Racism - The social doctrine of putting one ethnic group or race above another on the social ladder

The 3/5th act would be considered a racist law.

Racist - One who follows or enforces racism, conscious or subconscious.

The black man was frustrated after the white liberal racist teacher overly congratulated him for getting a 90% on a test while not evening saying "good job" to the white boy that got a 95%.


Note that I do not use racist solely with the traditional term. Most people believe that humans are more important than dogs, but we do not beat them or lynch them. Most racists consciously or subconsciously believe that whites are more important than blacks, but that does not mean they will beat them. They may even want to bring blacks up to "their" level.



For your answer Merc,

Yes, any group can discriminate whether they are on the top of the social ladder or not. Blacks can be bigots (black supremacists) and be racist but they can NOT enforce racism because there is no current social doctrine that prefers blacks over whites (besides maybe jail). If there was a social doctrine somewhere that preferred blacks over whites, then blacks could just as easily enforce racism as whites do everywhere else.

I wouldn't consider Mexico true racism even though I have heard many horror stories. From what I've heard, all policies and social hardships against whites are because whites are considered rich, which enforces white supremacy. I would consider their "racism" reactionary to white supremacy. That does not justify their actions in any way BTW.


I have not seen anything first hand because I have not really left the country but I think white supremacy occurs everywhere in the world but it is pointed out more in the United States. From what I hear, a lot of Europeans try to pretend racism doesn't exist in their country but it really does and because no one believes it exists, nothing gets done about it.

I wasn't making a personal attack on anyone, just trying to make the point that a lot, maybe the majority, of republicans don't have any racist intentions when voting. In fact, I have seen more Obama supporters vote because of race than McCain supporters so naturally people that call others racist for not voting Obama (this is not an attack on anyone here) while they are clearly voting because of his skin color annoys the hell out of me.

Well it does exist in many places in the US. I will give you an example of many ranges. Washington, D.C. mostly black: Atlanta, Ga; Birmingham, Al; the list is to long. Now, for non-blacks, any "China Town", SF, Calif; Honolulu, HI; Chicago, IL; New York, NY. How about the "Korea Towns". Believe me it exists. This is not made up stuff. When I lived in D.C. in the early 80's black on white racism was rampant, same for when I was a kid in Jersey in the early 70's. Ever been to inner city Trenton, NJ? This is neither new nor unknown. Thte whole notion of "the other side of the tracks" is a real concept. On one side you were safe and white racism dominated, go to the other side and the roles reversed. That is just the way it was and it remains in many places today.

It is not about equality, which I fully support, it is about role reversal.

Here's another What If?

What if Obama carries a double digit lead all the way from now to November 4, including the swing states, yet after the polls close a McCain victory is announced ... followed closely by lots of claims of serious irregularities.

Not that this could ever really happen; just, you know, imagine what if.

Some of the claims seem well substantiated, and if true, definitely indicate that the election should have gone the other way.

There is marching in the streets and much shouting of catchy but stupid slogans. There is civil disobedience and a general strike. Which of these do you join in? Which do you sit out?

How blatantly rigged does an election have to be for you, as a citizen of your country, to deny its legitimacy and act accordingly? How far would you go?




For me, the crucial thing is that the government the majority of people want got elected. Provided that requirement is satisfied, I would go along but insist that the criminal system prosecute any individual who had subverted the vote.
But if the "wrong party" had seized power, I think it is everyone's duty to resist.



: throws cat amongst pigeons :

Elections in this country are not satisfied by the requirement of majority rules. It is the electoral college, this is a Republic, not a democracy.

I'm agree that it does exist and another example would be underground hip hop but I still see those subgroups as mostly reactionary to the larger white supremacy doctrine or just plain nationalism. If white supremacy wasn't in place, would any of these places have the same views as they do now/20 years ago?


For immigrant groups, from what I have seen, it is just very strong nationalism in a Greek versus Barbarians type way. I lived in a Somalian neighborhood and they didn't like anyone who wasn't Somalian. It had very little to do with anything else.


Equality can never come as long as we keep looking at ourselves as races. The scars are too deep for the black race to ever be equal with the white race. We can only have the human race.

One of my best friends at work is voting for McCain because, "If Obama gets elected, the niggers will go crazy." When I pressed as to just how "the niggers will go crazy", he had no answer. When I told him he was racist, he responded, "Damn right I am".

The funny (certainly not ha ha) thing about this, is he has no problem with the black people he works with, or the black people in his neighborhood. His hatred is only at the niggers that turned his mother's neighborhood, his boyhood home, into a slum.

He can't see that his hatred is really economic. The black people he works with, and live in his neighborhood, are the same economic strata as he is, whereas the niggers that ruined mom's neighborhood, were denied decent jobs and grew into a resentful thug culture. Cause and effect.

I, too, have had a guy try to explain to me in detail how there were both niggers and black guys, just like there were white trash and white guys. I asked him if there were both fags and gay people too, but he said no, they were all fags. :rolleyes:

*nods* that makes sense.

Niggers vs Black Guys: Chris Rock's brilliant work on the topic