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Have I missed anything?

FFS people, the sizzle to steak ratio is off the freakin scale!! What's the difference between a pitbull with lipstick and a smokescreen? -- Nothing.

There is an enormous campaign underway right now to persuade people to act and this campaign has two main sides in opposition. The desired action is to help elect the President and Vice President. Each side of this spectacle is striving mightily to **PERSUADE** the people. These attempts to persuade use these methods (positive and negative):

Logos -- relying upon reasoning and logical consistency of the argument.

Ethos -- relying upon the credibility of the speaker.

Pathos -- relying upon the emotional response of the listener.

These are all used, sometimes together, and each of use (save Spock) responds to all methods, but not equally. I tend to be persuaded most effectively by the logos method. But that is my inclination, not an absolute limitation. I see all kinds of messages being delivered in this season. I get most frustrated when I see misrepresentation, inconsistency, and illogic.

I would rate the current message from Governor Palin this way:

Logos--zero. There has been *no* communication from her, save her introductory speech, from which any analysis of her thoughts can be made. Every day she remains mute she loses credibility (ethos) with me; she's already at zero for content.

Ethos--four. I believe her words and actions, her record, shows some consistency, but she's taken a severe blow to her credibility when I compare her (few) statements to (what I've been able to discern at this point as) the facts.

Pathos--nine. She's a strongly empathetic and charismatic figure. I give her high marks for the power of her message, but not for its effectiveness at persuading me. I hear the potent zingers in her speeches, but because of the low ethos and lower logos weights she carries with me, the zing has no sting.

Frankly I'm sick of hearing so much nothing about her.

I like your paraphrase of the media coverage.

Does the GOP expect to carry "nothing" to the White House?

They haven't put the chip in her neck yet.

Logos 15%
Ethos 20%
Pathos 75%

That's roughly about the weight people give each one when making decisions.

The long wait before she goes in front of the press is totally calculated political strategy.

Cite?

Not that I disagree.

Instead of a cite, I point to... television commercials.

That's what they appeal to, to general audiences.

Gotcha.

Idiocracy.

I think your rankings are correct too, but I would be willing to have more conversation about the actual values.

If by "totally calculated political strategy" you mean a "craven pandering attempt at misdirection by bulking up on pathos due to a shameful deficiency of logos", then I would be inclined to agree with you.

I love snarky if-then statements.

Fuck, this whole thread is making me sad.

I have resisted seeing Idiocracy. I'm afraid the people around me laughing at its comedy won't understand my crying at its tragedy.

This is no goddamned way to run a railroad.

That's 110%...

I always give 110%.

You've been reading too many of tw's posts

Sarah Palin action figure.

Republican Party provides funds to the Democrats via Heart's "Barracuda"

Palin and her people continue to use the song despite Heart's displeasure.

good one

I heard about that. I thought maybe instead they could use ZZ Top, "She's Got Legs" ...

I love it!

Anyway, shouldn't this be Bob "Barracuda" Barr's theme song?

Typical - but very funny too.

I was thinking more like "pearl necklace"

now yer talkin'

OK I try to avoid this (seeing as I'm not allowed to vote), but i'm just watching her TV interview...
...and I'm a little concerned.

I can understand how the idea of her as VP looks cool -a young woman with an attitude... looks like balls from afar, but is actually just the attitude of an aging cheerleader with republican parnts...

BUT

as prez? remember VP becomes Prez if the Prez is incapacitated -and that's not exacty unlikely....

FFS she thinks she can be a sahm to a downs syndrome baby and VP at the same time -will she be changing diapers as her finger hovers over the red button? Or will she hand iver to nanny -which is fine, but don't call yourself a full-time mom.

I'm not anti women policicians at all -I think a female pres would be an awesome thing for this country -it certainly did wonders for the Uk and I'm not a Thatcher fan. But this woman? no.

You still sound like she can't be both a mother and a VP or President. That is why she has a supporting husband to pick up the slack when she is working, just like any other head of state with children. It is just a role reversal. Hell, people keep forgetting that Pelosi is the mother of 5. No double standard there.

Return of the Mommy Wars
Democrats v. Palin
by Henry Payne

Detroit
"I am shocked," says Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.), after learning of top Democrats' remarks that Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin is selfishly seeking office at the same time she is mother to a Down syndrome baby. "Their comments are contrary to what women have fought for," continued McMorris Rodgers who 16 months ago gave birth to a son, Cole, diagnosed with Down syndrome. Of all the attacks against Sarah Palin since John McCain named her his running mate August 29, the most vicious have been accusations that Palin is sacrificing family for career--remarks that conjure not signs of change but the reactionary language of a bygone era.

The accusations have been all the more extraordinary because they have come from Democrats and media allies closely identified with women's independence. Republicans have angrily responded that the Democratic offensive is sexist. Fearful of a backlash from women voters, the Obama campaign and others distanced themselves from such remarks--even as Democratic surrogates continued to plant the poisonous seed in the media.

The question of whether a woman must choose between career and family has been taboo in politics. Not one of the politicians interviewed for this article has encountered the question in their own campaigns, or any other for that matter. Indeed, the Democratic veep nominee, Joe Biden, has been praised for heroically raising his two young children as a single father after the death of his first wife, even as he kept his Senate seat and commuted 3 hours every day to his Delaware home.

(continues 2 pages)

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I was surfing when I saw the interview. I was half-laughing to myself, watching her leaning forward, using the interviewer's name over and over, avoiding answers with awkward responses, and figured the footage was from several years ago, and "I bet she is embarrassed to have that airing now". Then I found out it was current. Nope, I'd love to have a woman in office, but not her. Please! I'm beginning to think her main purpose is really for men to say, "We gave you a female in an important office and see what she did? She failed! No more women candidates in major office, your pretty little heads can't handle the pressure or power. Now get back to your kitchens and bedrooms."

I love women! Women rock!

But no, this one does not impress me to the level I would want my future president to impress me.

I really, really, really dislike Sarah Palin on nearly every level. No--on EVERY level. The aging cheerleader business is right on target, monster. An aging, scary, right-wing, pro-gun, anti-choice bitter ex-prom queen with a background in sports reporting? Oh, my. No.

having Palin as veep is like having Brownie head FEMA. a disaster waiting to happen.

Sure, but still... I'd bend her over.

That's the sort of comment I hear all over the place. Seriously, guys, fuckability is not good veep criteria.

Picking her as McCains VP choice seems too gimmicky to me.

As scary as she is regarding every topic, the scariest thing is that McCain picked her over so many qualified candidates just so he could show what a "Maverick" he is.
During the interview I was expecting her to make a beauty pageant speech about how much she loves children and how important world peace is.
And when "Charlie" had to ask her AGAIN if her answer was yes or no, I want to reach through the screen and throttle her!
Just answer "YES" or "NO" you fucking bitch!

This may be the greatest political trick, ever! I mean, hell, we all know that when the blood rushes to a man's dick, it leaves his brain. We aren't capable of making good decisions whilst sporting a semi. The people that plant malicious software inside pr0n sites know this...

Don't worry your pretty little head about it, little filly. She's not going to make it anywhere near the White House anyway.

Now get back in there and scrub the toilet.

Like any politician ever answers yes or no - puhlease.

I am currently voting not to vote - I can't back either of these tickets in good conscious. This totally sucks - The last two elections I chose the "lesser of two evils." This time I cannot do it - somebody has to do something soon to get my support.

Then please just vote straight third party. This is more of a vote for "neither" than not voting.

I'm not worried that Obama as president means something bad for our country, I'm worried that it really really wont mean anything different for our country. Yes, it would be nice to see the conservative rhetoric eliminated from white house speeches, but I seriously doubt that the real power behind the presidency (read corporate business interests) isnt going to allow the changes that we really need to make.

I think that had an impact when Perot ran back in '96. It indirectly became a vote for Clinton. I really gotta think about this.

Just hearing a different rhetoric doesn't do it for me. thats one of my biggest issues - I don't think either of them deserve, nor are really qualified to lead the country. How do I support one of them when I feel that way.

Somebody tell me what makes one of these tickets qualified and you cannot give me the "cuz the other one isn't" argument.

Oh and as far as Palin is concerned - the fact that she really isn't connected to Washington is a good thing for me. The fact that she is running with McCain who is totally entrenched there is a bad one.

Fresh blood for the vampire

A beady-eyed McCain gets a boost from the charismatic Sarah Palin, a powerful new feminist -- yes, feminist! -- force. Plus: Obama must embrace his dull side.

Feminist? :headshake

I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a door mat or a prostitute. ~Rebecca West, "Mr Chesterton in Hysterics: A Study in Prejudice," The Clarion, 14 Nov 1913, reprinted in The Young Rebecca, 1982

Oh that's why the rest of the world has female leaders...
Funny, it doesn't say anything about women being considered a minority vote. Or the fact that Palin is the first female VP (because of course there must have been loads if the only reason for a woman not becoming President is the military aspect)...

I think this misses the point that by European standards at least, America is a deeply conservative country. The very fact that politician's religious beliefs are important is bewildering to us.

What if he had chosen Condi?

Condi is too close to Bush. She would have been an anchor around his neck.

Forget that part of it...look at the overwhelming difference in qualifications.

But but but...Condi's not as fuckable. [/everyoldmani'vetalkedtointhepastmonth]

What a joke that Palins pick is a milestone (supposedly) for feminism and the 'boys' like her because she's fuckable.

Her looks do nothing for me.
Unfortunately, nor do her qualifications...
or lack thereof.

Actually, she's not. She's the first female on the Republican ticket, but Geraldine Ferraro was on the Democratic ticket back in the 80s (though of course they lost.)

...and the Libertarians ran a woman for the top spot years ago.

As far as I'm concerned, she's got what I call "Librarian Syndrome".

Which is, if you don't know, where the lady looks completely nerdy, hair tied up, thick-rimmed glasses on, and all quiet. But given a chance, say a few drinks and some manly help, picture them tossing the hair down, throwing the glasses off, and slamming your ass down on a bed and well....you know. That's what I call the 'librarian syndrome'...And it applies for quite a few more people than just Palin. But her especially. Almost...milfish, but creepy in the same.

Here's hoping history repeats itself. She is the first politician that scares me. She has no clue about what it takes to be P or VP and she can't answer a question other than repeating her pat speech quotes from the convention. Gibson asks her about the bridge to nowhere lies she told and she goes on and on about how she and McCain need to change DC. Just ignoring the question even when Gibson asks it again.
She is a lying sack of bile and should not be allowed in the Whitehouse as a TOURIST, much less as a resident.

She's what we all fear, then.

Looks like we're on the right track. GW with a pussy.
Here's to four years with a blown out Alaskan snatch. *clink*

Apologies. I was too young to be interested in politics at the time.

I read it was part of the "look" she put together when she got into politics, so as not to put off women voters.

No big deal, I was almost too young to be left alone by myself at the time. :)

VPILF.

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Nerds will get the MP references. I guess Brianna's out of luck. ;)