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monster 09-09-2008 09:42 PM

September 10, 2008: Recreating the Big Bang
 
http://cellar.org/2008/cellarbigbang.jpg

aka faking an orgasm?

The image is of the Large Hadron Collider built by CERN, which the BBC reports is ready to be powered up after 30 years of planning and construction. It will be the world's most powerful physics experiment.

More on the Science of it all here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7604293.stm I just think it looks cool ;)

Big Sarge 09-09-2008 09:46 PM

looks like an octopus drawing you in

HungLikeJesus 09-09-2008 09:52 PM

Who ever picked the colors must have been a Denver Broncos fan.

ZenGum 09-09-2008 09:54 PM

There's a passably cool/nerdy rap on youtube explaining it all.
I can't link for you cause I am at work, don't want to look toooooo idle. Some keyword searches should find it.

Nirvana 09-09-2008 10:48 PM

Black holes drag in matter from their surroundings. Some critics fear the collider could create a miniature black hole that could swell and swallow the Earth:eek:

corydodt 09-09-2008 10:56 PM

Fortunately, there's a way to find out if the LHC has in fact destroyed the earth.

And an RSS feed.

Elspode 09-09-2008 10:59 PM

Particles liberated in this new superdupercollider will exist only for miniscule fractions of second, and they will be the much the same as zillions of particles that zip through us and the planet every second of every day, totally unnoticed. They will simply be liberated where they can be studied.

Hawking has long proven that mini black holes must exist if the rest of black hole theory is reasonably correct, so it is rather likely that we've encountered them before and didn't even realize it.

...or we might all wake up in the 11th dimension in a few days.

Medic63 09-09-2008 11:03 PM

Here's a link to the rap ZenGum was talking about;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

Clodfobble 09-09-2008 11:06 PM

Actual conversation in my household when I brought up this thread:

Me: Cool. Hey, want to see a picture of the Large Hadron Collider?
Him: Sure, I guess... Yeah, it looks like pretty much any other particle accelerator.
Me: I've never seen a particle accelerator before.
Him: [laughs]
Me: Why is that funny?
Him: I don't know. It just is.

footfootfoot 09-10-2008 08:09 AM

Well I imagine when you've got large Hardons colliding you'd get a big bang. Am I missing something here?

Flint 09-10-2008 08:55 AM

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Sheldonrs 09-10-2008 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nirvana (Post 482591)
Black holes drag in matter from their surroundings. Some critics fear the collider could create a miniature black hole that could swell and swallow the Earth:eek:

Except for the critics, that sounds like the description I use in my craigslist ads. :D

Flint 09-10-2008 08:59 AM

OMG you really are one of those freaks from Craigslist, arent you?

sweetwater 09-10-2008 09:23 AM

Gotta love the work of M.C. Escher. ;)

Sheldonrs 09-10-2008 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint (Post 482684)
OMG you really are one of those freaks from Craigslist, arent you?

So, you know the list huh? ;)

Bullitt 09-10-2008 09:53 AM

http://theflowfieldunity.com/comics/2008-03-26.jpg

barefoot serpent 09-10-2008 10:11 AM

could have been Texas... the SSC

Pico and ME 09-10-2008 02:18 PM

Quote:

The project was canceled by Congress in 1993. Many factors contributed to the shutdown of the project...<snip>...the end of the need to prove the supremacy of American science with the collapse of the Soviet Union...<snip>.
Oh Gawd......

bobbin4pigsfeet 09-10-2008 05:23 PM

If they painted it silver and black, it'd only find 14 particles, vs the 41 it'll find in orange and blue. Go Broncos!

Sorry, couldn't help it.

narcuul 09-11-2008 03:25 PM

Well, in case the resonance cascade hits us, you would be well adviced to have your red crowbar handy. :nuke: :angel:

Well, I am a science geek.. This was a truly big and anticipated event in the history of science. I'm just drooling and sneaking and hopping around any news concerning all the multiple experiments at LHC like a squirrel around a nut he can't get. :ninja: Or whatever... :)

tombstone 09-11-2008 06:32 PM

I have lots of experience with mini black holes. Nearly everything I drop disappears into one of them, along with a fair number of mundane household objects on a daily basis.

tombstone 09-11-2008 06:40 PM

I am back briefly. Computer technician son sent me this yesterday-The Top 10 Ways the LHC Will Blow Your Mind. http://dvice.com/archives/2008/09/top_10_ways_the.php

spudcon 09-12-2008 07:15 AM

You forgot this reason;
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...er&vt=lf&hl=en

SPUCK 09-12-2008 01:30 PM

Great live camera shots of the LHC here...
http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html :eek:

Pico and ME 09-12-2008 01:56 PM

:eek:

onetrack 09-21-2008 10:35 AM

When it fails to work as planned, it'll probably make a great microwave .... I mean to say ... can you imagine the SIZE of the pizza, you could reheat in THAT!! .. :rolleyes: :D

SPUCK 09-23-2008 05:25 AM

Screw that!

Think of how many poodles you could dry!

Shawnee123 11-23-2009 05:26 PM

Hadron Collider has first collisions. (looks around) I'm still here!

http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11...st-collisions/

Pie 11-23-2009 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 611132)
Hadron Collider has first collisions. (looks around) I'm still here!

http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/11...st-collisions/

Wait.

classicman 11-23-2009 06:12 PM

Quote:

Today's collisions are relatively low-energy; the next step is to get particles colliding at higher energies than ever before. The accelerator should reach an energy of 1.2 TeV (teraelectronvolts, or a million million electronvolts) per beam by Christmas if all goes well, CERN said.
OK, could one of you smart folks put that in something I might be able to relate to, please?

kthxbai

Griff 11-23-2009 06:19 PM

If it works we're all dead. :cheers:
I kid... I hope.

Clodfobble 11-23-2009 06:24 PM

I think one electronvolt is the same as a normal volt (like in a 9-Volt battery,) but I could be wrong.

ZenGum 11-23-2009 06:25 PM

It is the amount of energy an electron picks up accelerating across an electrostatic potential difference of one volt.

There, did that make your life better?

Griff 11-23-2009 06:29 PM

[tw]of course! this is real science the basic kind that matters without that useless human stuff[/tw]

Clodfobble 11-23-2009 06:48 PM

That's because after they're done with it, there won't be any useless human stuff left anywhere.

classicman 11-23-2009 06:55 PM

I hate to throw a simple statement in here, but isn't this sort of like an investment?

ZenGum 11-23-2009 06:58 PM

For the Geeks, this article
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...d-the-lhc.html
explains what it is doing, why, and where it can go next.

There will be a test next Friday. Study hard.

ETA

This one
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...html?full=true
Is less user friendly but is better on the science.

classicman 11-23-2009 07:05 PM

Is the test this friday as in the next friday or next friday as in next week. I need to schedule my time accordingly. kthxbai

ZenGum 11-23-2009 07:21 PM

Both. It's a quantum thing.

Griff 11-23-2009 07:39 PM

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I so hope we find our way back from next Friday.

Elspode 11-23-2009 10:19 PM

I'm looking forward to when they start selling Pet Black Holes.

ZenGum 11-23-2009 11:30 PM

Seriously, if we could create a pet black hole and contain it in some kind of toroidal magnetic field, that would solve all of our toxic waste disposal problems.

And unemployment, Camp X-Ray, and what to do with Sarah Palin all in one...

SPUCK 11-24-2009 04:33 AM

Date: Nov. 28, 2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 611187)
Both. It's a quantum thing.

:p


Just think! We'll all meet ourselves coming the other way.

classicman 11-24-2009 08:01 AM

I think they'll have it perfected some time in ... oh ... say ... 2012.

Shawnee123 11-24-2009 08:07 AM

Puh...don't know how many times I have to tell you guys the aliens are coming back for us in 2011. I'll be laughing as my bags are packed and I'm ready to go, and y'all are running around looking for your favorite socks.

xoxoxoBruce 11-24-2009 10:40 AM

Don't forget to wear your new Nikes.

Happy Monkey 11-24-2009 01:08 PM

Some webcams.

classicman 11-24-2009 01:11 PM

Haggis - errr very interesting

glatt 11-24-2009 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey (Post 611584)

That's cool. But really, what about the tape craft contest? $5K is nothing to sneeze at.

glatt 09-23-2011 07:45 AM

You may have seen this in the news, but it's really amazing/interesting/confusing.

Researchers at CERN have successfully made nutrinos travel faster than the speed of light, which is impossible. Fermilab in Chicago had reached similar results a few years ago, but their antiquated american equipment is so crappy, the margin of error was greater than the amount by which nutrinos exceeded light speed, so they tossed out the results. The newer CERN facility is much better and its margin of error is smaller, so they are certain that their results are accurate. Except for the little matter of it being impossible.

I really wish we hadn't scrapped our half built super collider in Texas. it would be useful to have a state of the art facility to compare the CERN results to.

Quote:

GENEVA — A startling find at one of the world’s foremost laboratories that a subatomic particle seemed to move faster than the speed of light has scientists around the world rethinking Albert Einstein and one of the foundations of physics.

Now they are planning to put the finding to further high-speed tests to see if a revolutionary shift in explaining the workings of the universe is needed — or if the European scientists made a mistake.

Researchers at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research outside Geneva, who announced the discovery Thursday are still somewhat surprised themselves and planned to detail their findings on Friday.
Quote:

The claim is being greeted with skepticism inside and outside the European lab.

“The feeling that most people have is this can’t be right, this can’t be real,” said James Gillies, a spokesman for CERN.

CERN provided the particle accelerator to send neutrinos on a breakneck 454-mile (730-kilometer) trip underground from Geneva to Italy. France’s National Institute for Nuclear and Particle Physics Research collaborated with Italy’s Ran Sass National Laboratory for the experiment, which has no connection to the atomic-smashing Large Hadron Collider, which is also located at CERN.

Gillies told The Associated Press that the readings have so astounded researchers that “they are inviting the broader physics community to look at what they’ve done and really scrutinize it in great detail.”

That will be necessary, because Einstein’s special relativity theory underlies “pretty much everything in modern physics,” said John Ellis, a theoretical physicist at CERN who was not involved in the experiment. “It has worked perfectly up until now.” And part of that theory is that nothing is faster than the speed of light.

CERN reported that a neutrino beam fired from a particle accelerator near Geneva to a lab in Italy traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than the speed of light. Scientists calculated the margin of error at just 10 nanoseconds, making the difference statistically significant.

Given the enormous implications of the find, they spent months checking and rechecking their results to make sure there were no flaws in the experiment.

A team at Fermilab had similar faster-than-light results in 2007. But that experiment had such a large margin of error that it undercut its scientific significance.

HungLikeJesus 09-23-2011 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glatt (Post 757965)
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I really wish we hadn't scrapped our half built super collider in Texas. it would be useful to have a state of the art facility to compare the CERN results to.

Then they might have created anti-gravitons and sent Texas flinging out into space.

infinite monkey 09-23-2011 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barenaked Ladies
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait...
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries,
That all started with the big bang!


Spexxvet 09-23-2011 09:53 AM

I hear that everytime I watch The Big Bang Theory, but I only now learned that it's by The Barenaked Ladies! Who'dathought.

infinite monkey 09-23-2011 10:47 AM

My ex-roommate got sick of me saying, every time, "That's the Barenaked Ladies, you know." ;)

Sundae 09-23-2011 10:48 AM

The Big Bang Theory makes me cringe.
To me it's a typical American comedy in that they forgot to put in the comedy and instead just used stereotypical characters, some shouting and occasional gay innuendo.
(John Barrowman auditioned as Will for Will and Grace - he was rejected for being too straight. So they employed a straight actor instead. But hey, thank FSM)

Sorry.
I thought Friends was awful, so what do I know?

ETA - to balance, there are British comedy shows that I find lame too.

infinite monkey 09-23-2011 10:52 AM

Oh, another pooh-pooh.

We're such philistines.

Sundae 09-23-2011 11:14 AM

Try watching Keeping Up Appearances with a straight face.
You'll think the wind has frozen it there.

Or My Family.
Or many more.

I might pooh-pooh. But I pooh-pooh on merit according to my own tastes, not according to awards or critics' choices or longevity. I pooh-pooh as I see fit. Etc etc ;)

Spexxvet 09-23-2011 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae (Post 758036)
ETA - to balance, there are British comedy shows that I find lame too.

There are British comedy shows since Monty Python? I kid, I'm kidding, I swear!

Clodfobble 09-23-2011 04:55 PM

The only thing we can be sure of is that everything we know is wrong.

SPUCK 09-24-2011 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungLikeJesus (Post 757981)
Tand send Texas flinging out into space.

This would somehow be a bad thing?

:D


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