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dar512 08-29-2008 12:28 PM

Obama's acceptance speech
 
The guy is a heck of a speaker. So far I like what he's got to say. I also liked that a Democrat said that government can't fix everything.

I look forward to McCain's speech and the debates. I hope they both stay out of the mud and on the issues. If they do, it'll be a fun race.

Griff 08-29-2008 12:31 PM

He is fabulous on the stump, but his speech was after my bed-time so I hope he didn't suck.

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 12:39 PM

He is a dynamic speaker. It lacked a lot of substance. Hopefully he can fill in the blanks before the election or he may get beat by white blue collar voters, the Deer Hunters for Jesus.

Shawnee123 08-29-2008 12:42 PM

I, for one, welcome our new literate overlords.

Undertoad 08-29-2008 12:51 PM

I give it 9 out of 10, he might have scored a 10 if they were indoors instead of in a massive stadium. He was a little distracted at times. I got itchy during the section where he promised things he can't actually deliver, felt relieved during the section where he offered a tax cut that he can't actually deliver, and enormously warm during the final third.

others-
I'd rate B. Clinton's speech a 10 - Long time since seeing his full skills, almost thought he lost them. Watching it reminds us: he sure didn't uncork one like this for his wife.

H. Clinton's speech a 5 - Almost said what she needed to be said, almost escaped her artificial persona.

M. Obama's speech an 8 - a future IL Senate candidate I predict, and

The kids - 11 out of 10 when they would appear, totally cute, innocent to everything except the spectacle, and grinning a huge natural grin like papa. The family is simply gorgeous, one can hardly help but fall in love with them.

Griff 08-29-2008 01:02 PM

Gorgeous family.

Shawnee123 08-29-2008 01:09 PM

Sorry, the page you requested was not found.

Griff 08-29-2008 01:23 PM

It was a yahoo/AP pic I didn't want to post and get teh Cellar in the shit for, prolly not worth replacing.

Undertoad 08-29-2008 01:39 PM

Better than the pro AP shot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/yanzhangphoto/2809154812/

You can surely link to them. They just don't want us to copy their photos and reuse them for our own evil purposes.

Radar 08-29-2008 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 479290)
He is fabulous on the stump, but his speech was after my bed-time so I hope he didn't suck.

If you didn't hear it, I can send you an MP3. It was fantastic and inspiring, and he laid out exactly what he'll do and how he'll do it. He reminded Americans that we are responsible for ourselves, and our families. He was perfect.

classicman 08-30-2008 12:03 AM

It was no more than just ok - certainly not awe inspiring by any means.

Radar 08-30-2008 01:05 AM

It was on a par with MLK's "I have a dream" speach or FDR's "A day that will live in infamy" speech or JFK's "Ask not what your country can do for you..." speech.

Flint 08-30-2008 01:20 AM

Jesus, was it that good?

bluecuracao 08-30-2008 03:36 AM

I think so. After Obama's speech, I felt like there was a change in the atmosphere.

It wasn't perfect; it was a long-ass speech and he showed a bit of weariness here and there, but he really punched it out near the end. I laughed, teared up, felt overwhelmed...in my lifetime, I haven't heard anything like it before.

Especially after all the stuff I've gone through over the past year, this man is incredibly inspiring to me.

richlevy 08-30-2008 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 479513)
Jesus, was it that good?

Judge for yourself I didn't watch most of the convention. I love being part of the Internet and Youtube generation where I can find the pieces that I want to see.

piercehawkeye45 08-30-2008 12:15 PM

Good speech. My biggest criticism is that I did not feel he inspired listeners to make change within their own lives, but told them to rely on him. Instead of talking about the family who let in their less fortunate neighbors as if they were just someone out there, make everyone listening to want to do the same in the future. Instead of telling how he will recruit an army of teachers to educate the next generation, inspire those listening to actually join that movement. Instead of promising to raise environmental standards and push high efficiency cars, get the United States to start purchasing them.

If Obama would have spent around five minutes at the end doing that and gotten his supporters to join in with him in making change, in being revolutionary, his speech would have been absolutely phenomenal.

xoxoxoBruce 08-31-2008 01:26 AM

What are you nuts? The worst thing a politician can do is start telling people what they must do. Lead by example, but don't try dictating, because that's political suicide. :eyebrow:

DanaC 08-31-2008 02:22 AM

Quote:

I, for one, welcome our new literate overlords.
Hahaha. I liked that.

piercehawkeye45 08-31-2008 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 479658)
What are you nuts? The worst thing a politician can do is start telling people what they must do. Lead by example, but don't try dictating, because that's political suicide. :eyebrow:

I am not saying Obama should tell people what to do but I think he could have worded himself so the listeners felt more included in his "movement". There have been many speeches where I have felt inspired to do something without being told to do it and I did not feel Obama had that in his speech.

xoxoxoBruce 08-31-2008 11:01 AM

He did, he encouraged people to raise their kids instead of leaving it to the schools and TV.

He explained what he feels the right path/attitude is. If you agree, just fuckin' do it because you think it's right, not to get on somebody's bandwagon, or part of a crowd.
Stand on your own feet, behind your own ideals, and stop waiting to be inspired by the government or it's wannabes.

Ya ready now? .... change! change! change!... ya may not save the world, but ya might pick up lunch money. :cool:

classicman 08-31-2008 02:35 PM

I just watched the whole thing - again. It was a nice speech, nothing all that special to me. I am torn again as to voting for the guy who is "less bad" than who is "more qualified." I think Obama is an articulate guy with a speech, but seems to be more lacking in the immediate thought dept. This is NOT a comparison to anyone else - just my opinion on my observations of him.

Oh, I really didn't like the "nation of whiners" part at all - especially when he brought up members of the armed services.

bluecuracao 08-31-2008 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 479736)
IOh, I really didn't like the "nation of whiners" part at all - especially when he brought up members of the armed services.

You can blame Phil Gramm for that one, one of McCain's advisors. If you listen again, Obama was rebutting that remark.

Quote:

The truth is, on issue after issue that would make a difference in your lives – on health care and education and the economy – Senator McCain has been anything but independent. He said that our economy has made "great progress" under this President. He said that the fundamentals of the economy are strong. And when one of his chief advisors – the man who wrote his economic plan – was talking about the anxiety Americans are feeling, he said that we were just suffering from a "mental recession," and that we've become, and I quote, "a nation of whiners."

A nation of whiners? Tell that to the proud auto workers at a Michigan plant who, after they found out it was closing, kept showing up every day and working as hard as ever, because they knew there were people who counted on the brakes that they made. Tell that to the military families who shoulder their burdens silently as they watch their loved ones leave for their third or fourth or fifth tour of duty. These are not whiners. They work hard and give back and keep going without complaint. These are the Americans that I know.

warch 08-31-2008 09:48 PM

I just got back from the northwoods where my pal and I broke down from our vain attempt at being unplugged for a week and decided Thursday night to try and find a scratchy NPR feed from Superior, WI. I held the tinfoil enhanced antenna for the whole 45 min or so.

Pretty historic and inspiring I'd say, (but then he had me at Iowa). the visuals were pretty amazing, too.

Awaiting what the RNC will become....

Sundae 09-01-2008 06:47 AM

I watched about half of it and lost interest.

I know it's American politics and therefore of less importance to me. I know I would have watched the whole thing if it was the British equivilant.

But.

I wouldn't compare it in a lifetime with Martin Luther King.

We studied his I Have A Dream speech in Politics, History AND English Language classes. 25 years after he made it. Obama's speech will not be played to children in a foreign country in 25 years time.

I don't mean to suggest Obama's not a good orator - he is. Just that globally, the speech wa a nice puff piece, made by a would-be President. I know Americans really believe that the President of their country is the Leader of the Free World, but out here in the rest of the Free World we tend to view him as just another premier.


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