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Nirvana 08-29-2008 10:03 AM

McCain's Running mate
 
Will she help or hinder ?

BigV 08-29-2008 10:06 AM

McCain / Palin 08
 
It's official:

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On August 29, the Associated Press reported that "speculation [has] moved to [Palin as a] darkhorse" pick for the vice president running mate slot by presumptive Republican nominee John McCain.[2] The CNBC news service is now reporting that Palin will in fact be the GOP vice-presidential nominee.[3]

classicman 08-29-2008 10:07 AM

HINDER - This is the worst choice he could have made next to Cheney. How is a 2 friggin year Gov. from Alaska gonna help? WTF has she done? Pro-Life, NRA ... far right wing bible thumper. Or so I hear...

McCain's ratings will DROP after this decision.

Griff 08-29-2008 10:07 AM

The campaign will get to define her, since nobody outside of Alaska knows her. That is smart, it will help. This assumes he goes with what-s-her-name. :)

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 10:10 AM

I think it well help a lot. She is one tuff cookie and lives the life by it. I would welcome to see her on the ticket. Still not sure who I will vote for but it was a good choice.

Her story here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

http://livingalaska.files.wordpress....rah_palin2.jpg

barefoot serpent 08-29-2008 10:17 AM

**crosses off the 'Obama is inexperienced' argument**

Shawnee123 08-29-2008 10:20 AM

Is this his answer to Obama not choosing Hillary? "I'll get those Merkins a woman!"

Other than that I don't know enough to comment, and am looking forward to opinions expressed here.

Griff 08-29-2008 10:25 AM

If classic is right, the Hillary crowd won't like this lady.

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 10:25 AM

She has a very tough reputation for going against the grain and status quo. That is a good quality. She is a very interesting mix of a person with a myriad of experiences. She is definitely a person from the masses who worked for where she is today. Definitely not an elitist.

Shawnee123 08-29-2008 10:25 AM

I like her hair. ;)

Nirvana 08-29-2008 10:30 AM

She minored in politics and she was a sports reporter? After reading the Wiki link I just can't help writing "Where's The Beef?"

lookout123 08-29-2008 10:30 AM

Minority? Check
Not ancient? Check
DC outsider? Check
"Maverick"? Check

What did you guys expect? Most of the other big potentials were either tied to the Bush camp somehow (that's bad) or would turn the conservative base off even more (also bad). Inexperience is Obama's shortcoming, not McCain's so picking an old school DC person would have gained nothing.

I don't know enough about her to say if I like her or not, but this makes sense if you are looking for a complimentary VP candidate.

Griff 08-29-2008 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 479183)
Definitely not an elitist.

Is the elitist label sticking to the black kid from the single parent home? McCain's back story screams elitist but the POW thing gives him cover. Is Biden an elitist? I don't know his story.

HungLikeJesus 08-29-2008 10:32 AM

1984 Miss Alaska runner-up! I might have to change my vote.

Griff 08-29-2008 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Nirvana (Post 479190)
She minored in politics and she was a sports reporter? After reading the Wiki link I just can't help writing "Where's The Beef?"

I assume her people helped clean out the rats among Alaska's long-time politicians.

Nirvana 08-29-2008 10:35 AM

I should have prefaced my comments with I can see she is a tough lady, but where is the experience? The word going around in my mind is arm candy and I am not trying to be derogatory here but I think this choice is way out in "right" field

Griff 08-29-2008 10:38 AM

Well, the trophy wife is looking worse for wear. There could be an eye candy angle.

lookout123 08-29-2008 10:38 AM

Disclaimer: This is not my opinion (yet) but that of a client who just stopped by.

Obama/Biden - The youthful pretty face that can talk about change, backed up by someone who's been around the block a time or two and has the scalps to prove it.

McCain/Palin - The old warhorse who knows his was around the issues and the system backed up by someone who can talk about new ideas and is all about the change.

Eh, I say show me some ideas and let me decide.

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 479193)
Is the elitist label sticking to the black kid from the single parent home? McCain's back story screams elitist but the POW thing gives him cover. Is Biden an elitist? I don't know his story.

I didn't really mean to single Obama out in that statement. I meant to single out Obama, McCain, and Biden. She is not a D.C. insider. She is home grown, raised, and has worked in Alaska on the land. For that alone I give her two thumbs up. And on top of that the VP choice for either Obama or McCain is very important, in case neither of them makes it through their term.

Griff 08-29-2008 10:42 AM

She does a lot to reinforce his, now shaky, maverick label.

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 479209)
She does a lot to reinforce his, now shaky, maverick label.

How's that?

Griff 08-29-2008 10:51 AM

She really is an outsider.

lookout123 08-29-2008 10:51 AM

Everyone was waiting for one of the easy picks to shore up the republican base instead he picks a woman no one has heard of. No whispers, nothing. Also her past looks a bit renegade, her move into the govenor's mansion isn't exactly the normal get your name known kiss some ass long term movement.

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 479221)
Everyone was waiting for one of the easy picks to shore up the republican base instead he picks a woman no one has heard of. No whispers, nothing. Also her past looks a bit renegade, her move into the govenor's mansion isn't exactly the normal get your name known kiss some ass long term movement.

From everything I have read she has a kick ass and take no names, "let God sort em out" approach. I like it.

Sundae 08-29-2008 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 479184)
I like her hair. ;)

I like it in the Wiki picture. Not in the one in this thread. She looks.... frosted.
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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 479191)
Minority? Check

Unless I'm nmissing something she is married to a minority.
I see nothing about her ethnicity in anything I've read.

From my personal political point of view she sounds like a nightmare. But then I'd never vote Republican so that answers that one. I say Help not Hinder - bold move and I'm sure it will pay off for him.

lookout123 08-29-2008 11:22 AM

anyone who isn't a white guy gets to call themselves a minority in the US, Sundae.

Nirvana 08-29-2008 11:35 AM

I hope some of you can see the live broadcast of the new candidate's speech. She seems pretty close to saying is this thing on? She also bears a striking resemblance to Tina Fey. I find this to be the strangest choice since Dan Quail.

Shawnee123 08-29-2008 11:36 AM

omfg...did you have to bring up Quayle? :shudders:

;)

Sundae 08-29-2008 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 479238)
anyone who isn't a white guy gets to call themselves a minority in the US, Sundae.

That's it - I'm moving!

lookout123 08-29-2008 11:37 AM

could be. of course, we wouldn't even remember who dan quaylewas if he hadn't spent 4 years in the white house. who was the democrat VP choice that year? just a thought.

glatt 08-29-2008 11:39 AM

Remember when the Republicans picked Clarence Thomas because he was black, but he had no decent qualifications? This reminds me of that.

What's the population of Alaska? Half a million? This is like picking the county board chairman of Arlington County to be your VP.

SamIam 08-29-2008 11:53 AM

People don't vote for the VP, anyway. They vote for the presidential nominee. The VP is just along for the ride unless the press or the opposition find some egregious thing in his/her background.

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 12:00 PM

potatoe

Flint 08-29-2008 12:02 PM

potahtoe

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 479247)
Remember when the Republicans picked Clarence Thomas because he was black, but he had no decent qualifications? This reminds me of that.

What's the population of Alaska? Half a million? This is like picking the county board chairman of Arlington County to be your VP.

Her bio is pretty impressive. More so than Obama. I would vote for her over McCain but I don't think that is a choice.

lookout123 08-29-2008 12:09 PM

Well, she certainly can't be presented as elitist - she eats mooseburgers and her husband is a commercial fisherman. Apparently, he races snowmobiles too. Her oldest son just entered the military and she just gave birth to a son with Down's Syndrome this year.

Heh, truly unimportant bits of info, but funny to me.

Flint 08-29-2008 12:13 PM

It's like people are voting on comic book characters.

lookout123 08-29-2008 12:15 PM

Nah, they're politicians. Well thought out comic book characters have some depth and integrity.

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint (Post 479271)
It's like people are voting on comic book characters.

It is comic book characters. We have a black superman and a white female superhero. Pretty interesting stuff.

Flint 08-29-2008 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123 (Post 479273)
Well thought out comic book characters have some depth and integrity.

Well, they're like Liefeld characters.

Griff 08-29-2008 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 479276)
It is comic book characters. We have a black superman and a white female superhero. Pretty interesting stuff.

Maybe we should get them on one ticket. How many years can McCain last in the White House? She is important and I find her lack of connections/experience refreshing. Someone was comparing Obama to Lincoln because their governmental experience levels are virtually identical... of course Lincoln got 640,000 of his fellow citizens killed... maybe experience is meaningful.

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Griff (Post 479287)
Maybe we should get them on one ticket. How many years can McCain last in the White House? She is important and I find her lack of connections/experience refreshing. Someone was comparing Obama to Lincoln because their governmental experience levels are virtually identical... of course Lincoln got 640,000 of his fellow citizens killed... maybe experience is meaningful.

Good one. :D

glatt 08-29-2008 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 479266)
Her bio is pretty impressive.

Sure, her bio is impressive on the local government level. She's certainly qualified to be a governor of a small state like Alaska. But President?

McCain is in his 70s. There's a real possibility he won't make it through a 4 year term. Is she ready to be President?

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt (Post 479293)
Sure, her bio is impressive on the local government level. She's certainly qualified to be a governor of a small state like Alaska. But President?

McCain is in his 70s. There's a real possibility he won't make it through a 4 year term. Is she ready to be President?

Anything would be an improvement over the last 8 years. Yea, I think Gov's are better suited than Senators to do the job.

Shawnee123 08-29-2008 12:49 PM

Ahhh, there's the rub. I'm looking at anything involving McCain, from himself to the people he surrounds himself with, as being exactly like the last 8 years.

Trilby 08-29-2008 12:55 PM

What say you, Shawnee (fellow Ohio gal) on first, FIRST impression?

I say Ohioans won't like it. She looks like marshmallow fluff, I don't care HOW many mooseburgers she has eaten (for the record, I have eaten ONE mooseburger but I didn't know it until I'd eaten it and then those assholes laughed and laughed at my expression)

Anyway----I think it's dirty pool. He picked her coz Obama DIDN'T pick Hill.

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 479299)
Ahhh, there's the rub. I'm looking at anything involving McCain, from himself to the people he surrounds himself with, as being exactly like the last 8 years.

McCain is not a Bush. But I have always said a president is only as good as the people that he surrounds himself with. He just doesn't have time to know all the issues. He needs a good group of advisors. This has to be one of Bush's biggest failures.

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna (Post 479304)
What say you, Shawnee (fellow Ohio gal) on first, FIRST impression?

I say Ohioans won't like it. She looks like marshmallow fluff, I don't care HOW many mooseburgers she has eaten (for the record, I have eaten ONE mooseburger but I didn't know it until I'd eaten it and then those assholes laughed and laughed at my expression)

Anyway----I think it's dirty pool. He picked her coz Obama DIDN'T pick Hill.

That's politics. He has stolen the show for the time being. Obama isn't being hardly mentioned at all in the news the day after his big day.

Shawnee123 08-29-2008 12:59 PM

I agree with you re: woman pick. It is my hope that it won't work. I hope that most women will think "nice try, wrong woman."

She could be the best woman on earth, but it still won't make me vote for McCain.

I'm still considering a write-in vote.

Merc, with all due respect and imho...Bush and McCain are completely interchangeable.

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 479307)
I agree with you re: woman pick. It is my hope that it won't work. I hope that most women will think "nice try, wrong woman."

She could be the best woman on earth, but it still won't make me vote for McCain.

I'm still considering a write-in vote.

Merc, with all due respect and imho...Bush and McCain are completely interchangeable.

naaa. That would be like saying all Demoncrats are alike and all Republickins are alike. I still may vote for Bob Barr as a protest vote.

Shawnee123 08-29-2008 01:08 PM

I don't think it's the same as saying all demons and republicks are alike. I don't think they are. I just think McCain is an extension of Bush. I wait patiently for him to prove me wrong, but I have seen no evidence, so far.

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 479314)
I don't think it's the same as saying all demons and republicks are alike. I don't think they are. I just think McCain is an extension of Bush. I wait patiently for him to prove me wrong, but I have seen no evidence, so far.

I see very little in them that is alike. Maybe you could point out the things that make them so alike.

Griff 08-29-2008 01:17 PM

It'll be interesting to see how the biography on wiki changes as new information comes out. Can we tell how long has this been up and who the authors are? If she was really flying under the radar, you can bet the first things we read are what the handlers want us to see.

Shawnee123 08-29-2008 01:18 PM

Foreign policy: thought the war would be a fairly easy venture; feels it is noble even though the bush administration's reasons for it (WMDs, for one) have been shown to be mostly unfounded.

Does not support gay and lesbian marriage rights.

Tax cuts which benefit the wealthy as economic stimulus.

Believes that making health care more affordable for everyone is "socializing" it.



That's a start.

Trilby 08-29-2008 01:23 PM

He's a pro-lifer. that right there rankles me.

Nirvana 08-29-2008 01:23 PM

Tina Fey for President!;)

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/p...llar/tinaF.jpg

Shawnee123 08-29-2008 01:24 PM

I'll get a big old campaign button that reads "I'm ghey for Fey!"

:lol:

Trilby 08-29-2008 01:28 PM

Now, I would vote for Tina!!!!

Nirvana 08-29-2008 01:36 PM

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/p...ellar/Gfey.jpg

TheMercenary 08-29-2008 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 479322)
Foreign policy: thought the war would be a fairly easy venture; feels it is noble even though the bush administration's reasons for it (WMDs, for one) have been shown to be mostly unfounded.

Does not support gay and lesbian marriage rights.

Tax cuts which benefit the wealthy as economic stimulus.

Believes that making health care more affordable for everyone is "socializing" it.



That's a start.

Pretty much any republickin platform. Not unique to Bush or McCain.


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