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Undertoad 07-05-2008 06:05 PM

Drax requested "permabanning"
 
For whatever purposes, he wants to never be able to be here again, so this one is by request.

Of course, he can just log in again as somebody else, so this is ridiculous. But here goes, I guess.

Sundae 07-05-2008 06:17 PM

Odd.
On one level he really connected.
On the other he didn't seem to understand why anyone could have any objections to his posts, thus demonstrating that he didn't really get us, or maybe we didn't get him.

It's a shame he's cut himself off entirely.
Also odd that he asked for a perma-ban when he hasn't been around for a while.

If he comes back to read I wish him luck anyway.

xoxoxoBruce 07-05-2008 07:16 PM

The only thing I can think of, is he's concerned about someone else logging in as him. That's a stretch, but it's all I got. :confused:

TheMercenary 07-05-2008 07:43 PM

He'll be back. As someone else. He had a history of that, no?

Clodfobble 07-05-2008 08:07 PM

Maybe because Big Sarge posted a death metal thread and got a lot of responses, while he never did? He'd mentioned before how this place sometimes made him too mad for his own good.

I thought banning was based on IP address; wouldn't that preclude logging in under a new account? I mean, I know about DHCP, but I thought that was still always within a narrow range of numbers.

footfootfoot 07-05-2008 08:15 PM

Stop me before I post again???

jinx 07-05-2008 08:21 PM

Yeah, I agree with foot... it's a padlock on the fridge.

regular.joe 07-05-2008 08:30 PM

Isn't there a 12 step program to help people stop going to the Cellar?

lumberjim 07-05-2008 08:43 PM

http://www.spurgin.net/images/etc/attention_whore.jpg

monster 07-05-2008 09:10 PM

See Above.

monster 07-05-2008 09:12 PM

(he's just pissed because he wants to change his user name again and UT said "no more". Unfortunately, He will be back.)

Flint 07-05-2008 10:46 PM

He needs an external locus of control.

monster 07-05-2008 10:56 PM

He needs an enema.

lumberjim 07-05-2008 11:24 PM

actually he left cuz we think he's a pedophile. i have proof.

regular.joe 07-06-2008 12:14 AM

Umm, you have proof that he left cause we think he's a pedophile, or you have proof he's a pedophile. Which one?

lumberjim 07-06-2008 12:19 AM

the former

regular.joe 07-06-2008 01:15 AM

I had to ask.

classicman 07-06-2008 09:14 AM

Thats too bad - I thought he was coming around too. Oh well if thats what he wants then why doesn't he just not post instead of being banned - I don't get it. Unless someone else, using his address, asked for the banning. Perhaps it wasn't really him. I've had my email address "stolen."

Sundae 07-06-2008 10:08 AM

Judging by the many "Message undeliverable" in my Junk folder the other week, I've had my email address stolen too. But I expect it was by a spambot, rather than someone out to wreak havoc in my online social life.

I'd like to think people would realise fout or five posts in that someone was using my log-in.

HungLikeJesus 07-06-2008 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by regular.joe (Post 467058)
Isn't there a 12 step program to help people stop going to the Cellar?

The Cellar is your 12-step program.

Shawnee123 07-07-2008 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster (Post 467081)
He needs an enema.

With friends like us, who needs enemas?

Eh Drax, we hardly knew ye.

BigV 07-07-2008 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 467088)
actually he left cuz we think he's a pedophile. i have proof.

Really? I smell bullshit. Because if your statement is *true*, he has committed a felony.
Quote:

Originally Posted by SCOTUS
Section 2252A(a)(3)(B) generally prohibits offers to provide and requests to obtain child pornography. It targets not the underlying material, but the collateral speech introducing such material into the child-pornography distribution network.

Cite.
Quote:

...the statute does not penalize the mens rea of the speaker, but instead criminalizes the speaker based on the mens rea of the audience. Under the statute, what matters is not the speaker’s intent, but instead the belief or speculation of his or her audience as to what the speaker seeks to sell, buy or barter.
Cite. Emphasis mine.

Child pornography is a vile crime, but I disagree with the SCOTUS' decision that I can be found guilty of a crime for which no other evidence exists, save the opinion of another person.

Undertoad 07-07-2008 10:32 AM

LJ doesn't have proof that Drax is a pedophile. He has proof that we think he's a pedophile.

Shawnee123 07-07-2008 10:33 AM

I thought he had proof that Drax thinks that we think that he is a pedophile.

BigV 07-07-2008 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 467360)
LJ doesn't have proof that Drax is a pedophile. He has proof that we think he's a pedophile.

'tchyeah. That's what I'm talking about. If you read the decision,
Quote:

Originally Posted by SCOTUS
The statute subjects to criminal punishment any person who “knowingly … advertises, promotes, distributes, or solicits … any material or purported material in a manner that reflects the belief, or that is intended to cause another to believe, that the material or purported material is, or contains - (i) an obscene visual depiction of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; or (ii) a visual depiction of an actual minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct.” 18 U.S.C. § 2252(a)(3)(B)

you'll see that there doesn't need to be any actual child pornography. A person is subject to criminal prosecution merely by "causing another to believe" that such material exists.

So, the remarks made by lumberjim are a very serious allegation, indeed, they amount to a criminal accusation. This is practically indistinguishable from what I've read about witch trials.

BigV 07-07-2008 11:11 AM

To be fair, the SCOTUS decision I'm referring to doesn't talk about pedophilia. Only about child pornograpy.

jinx 07-07-2008 11:34 AM

Did anyone but you mention child porn here V? What the hell are you on about???

LJ has proof that drax thinks that "we" (Teh Cellar) think he's a pedophile, and that is likely why he left. Shawnee was closest without going over...

BigV 07-07-2008 11:46 AM

"What the hell am I on about???"

Yeah... I clarified that in post #26, just before post #27.


The rest of your post I'll take a pass on, thanks.

lookout123 07-07-2008 11:49 AM

you two knock it off. if i have to pull this car over, i swear...

Undertoad 07-07-2008 11:49 AM

No, I now think that LJ has proof that Drax left because he thinks we think he's a pedophile.

Yeah, to sum up:

It's not that LJ has proof Drax is a pedophile
It's not that LJ has proof that we think Drax is a pedophile
It's not that LJ has proof that Drax thinks we think Drax is a pedophile
It's that LJ has proof that Drax left BECAUSE Drax thinks we think Drax is a pedophile.

Whoah, LJ, what's this proof?

Shawnee123 07-07-2008 12:01 PM

Sure, steal my Showcase Showdown.

Yep, I think that's it, UT.

Flint 07-07-2008 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 467088)
actually he left cuz we think he's a pedophile. i have proof.

Or: He left, because we think X. I have proof.

That he left isn't in dispute, thus doesn't need to be proven or disproven.
What "we think" can't be "proven" because it isn't a concrete attribute.

The actual subject of the sentence is why he left--stated as he left because.

"I have proof" ...of what? Of why he left. I have proof he left because we think X.

Obvioulsy he doesn't know what we think, but the substitue when determining his motivations would be what he thinks we think. We can't know what he thinks, unless we have a statement by him as confirmation, thus proof of what he thinks about what we think, i.e. why he left. Simple.

Shawnee123 07-07-2008 12:07 PM

I get all warm and fuzzy inside when you apply your Critical Thinking skills, Flint.

Hey, have you noticed CT guy and Draz never posted at the same time? Coincidence? I think not.

lookout123 07-07-2008 12:07 PM

hey flint? coberst is calling.

Shawnee123 07-07-2008 12:08 PM

Great minds, cousin!

Flint 07-07-2008 12:08 PM

co-burst wishes he/she/it was me

lookout123 07-07-2008 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 467386)
Hey, have you noticed CT guy and Draz never posted at the same time? Coincidence? I think not.

No, but i have noticed that april never posted at the same time as marich*ko. and marich*ko never posted at the same time as rk**rage. and rk**rage never posts at the same time as flint! there is only one possible explanation. Flint is ghey.

Flint 07-07-2008 12:18 PM

If I've told you once, I've told you 123 times: NO I will not make out with you!

lumberjim 07-07-2008 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 467381)
No, I now think that LJ has proof that Drax left because he thinks we think he's a pedophile.

Yeah, to sum up:

It's not that LJ has proof Drax is a pedophile
It's not that LJ has proof that we think Drax is a pedophile
It's not that LJ has proof that Drax thinks we think Drax is a pedophile
It's that LJ has proof that Drax left BECAUSE Drax thinks we think Drax is a pedophile.

Whoah, LJ, what's this proof?

remember when his name was datalyss for a minute?

here it is not a rick roll, btw

Quote:

Bad boards I've been on
Offtopic.com - The most active board on the web, but the worst, especially toward fat people.
The Cellar - They think I'm a pedophile.
VampYrezKave - VampYre has gone wild with his bannings. I've been banned 3 times already, and he basically bans anyone he does not like. Further, after he bans you, he pathetically attempts to get his members to spam you or prank call you by publicly posting your e-dress & phone number.

Flint 07-07-2008 01:15 PM

I wish I was cool enough to post on a site called VampYrezKave.

lumberjim 07-07-2008 01:15 PM

just be be 100% about it

Quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cock http://www.trollkingdom.net/forum/im...s/viewpost.gif
drax?

Yeah! What of it, Dick?!

Comments on this post Cock you should change your name soon
I'm Cock, btw.

Shawnee123 07-07-2008 01:16 PM

My tears, they are a fallin' for teh plight of the Drax.

Draz asked for it. I did try to be nice to him, to goof around with him, asked where he'd been. He is a drama queen. I know this, because I am one, too. ;)

lumberjim 07-07-2008 01:18 PM

so, bigV, should I turn myself in, or do you think i'm ok?

BigV 07-07-2008 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 467424)
so, bigV, should I turn myself in, or do you think i'm ok?

You're a punk sometimes, but you're ok lj.

I don't see anything illegal in your posts (IMHO, IANAL, YMMV, DETYS, etc, etc). Drax might burn, though.

My original point was that a statement like yours, made in earnest, is sufficient to make a person subject to criminal prosecution, and I think that's wrong.

lumberjim 07-07-2008 01:40 PM

yes, sexual harrassment works the same way. guilty until proven innocent.

SteveDallas 07-07-2008 02:57 PM

Welcome to Thoughtcrime.

lumberjim 07-07-2008 03:50 PM

two men enter, one man leaves!


oh, no...that's Thunderdome.

Flint 07-07-2008 04:20 PM

Drax requested "spermbanning"

HungLikeJesus 07-07-2008 04:25 PM

Permatanning?

Crimson Ghost 07-07-2008 04:46 PM

Drax has Permafrost?

lookout123 07-07-2008 04:47 PM

Who's drax?

lumberjim 07-07-2008 05:17 PM

he's your daddy

Shawnee123 07-07-2008 05:19 PM

And my uncle!

Sundae 07-07-2008 05:44 PM

Now I really don't get it.
Drax runs us down as a bad site.
But the site he runs us down on is called Troll Kingdom?

Suggesting that he was only messing wit our minds and after our attention all along?
But he got it. We fed him. So why the perma ban request?

If he disliked us enough to slag us off on other boards (but thanks because we don't need a Troll Kingdom invasion surely) then why isn't here bugging the hell out of us for funsies.

But if he was genuine.... this is where my head explodes.
Do you think someone spilled coffee on a couple of pages of his How To Win Friends and Influence People? He was doing it wrong.

OMG - is it like a Groundhog Day scenario. ALL new posters have been Drax. He's trying them out one by one to see if they work. He's currently failing with Colbrest.

lumberjim 07-07-2008 05:49 PM

I confess....I'm drax. and Sundae Girl.....and especially Undertoad.

Undertoab 07-07-2008 05:51 PM

No, I'm Undertoad....b

HungLikeJesus 07-07-2008 06:07 PM

Permaboning?

Cloud 07-07-2008 06:37 PM

did he give you a safe word?

So that when he comes back begging to be let in, you'll know when to grant his request, and when not to?

lookout123 07-07-2008 06:41 PM

i find it amusing that LJ has nearly 500 posts this year at troll kinkdom.

lumberjim 07-07-2008 06:56 PM

:blush: I've been slumming


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